A note to AL

You said a guy at Elite Fitness said they were going to release commercial machines to studios under the name “Vibe with a plus sign after it”.

That’s NOT going to happen!  I own the TradeMark for VibePlus

Winston, I love free-weights but rarely use them (motivation and time).  For Vibration Training to be as good as free weights you need a high quality lineal machine (I’m starting to feel like I’m repeating myself).  Vibra-Train does have advantage over other brands by having a machine with side handle-bars so we can do full body tricep dips (the handlebars vibrate and only toes on base platform for support for females, males totally suspended);  bicep curls (for only few customers who are accustomed to such exercise), regular pullup using handlebars and more.  These are NOT part of the standard Safety Program for all customers.  They are extras that a person must earn the right to do – that is, they can prove they can do the standard safety program perfectly.

The way most people use free-weights (a few bicep curls) any old vibration machine that allows for a tricep dip and plank would equal BUT I have taken you seriously and for many people weights are better as they don’t have access to machines that give the same results.  Again, I’m asking, have you even tried a good machine?

Vibration Training (in general) is NOT set up as a replacement for weights or other exercise.  It can be that for people who don’t want to use a gym or free-weights, or can’t due to injury.  It can be an adjunct to your regular workout program and as such it is the “icing on the cake” and we see people coming top in their chosen sports events.  It’s also very time efficient and needs no special clothing or a shower afterwards so we see people who prefer it to the gym. 

The post asking about costs wont be deleted. Lloyd is straight up. Hell reply

herin lies the problem as i see it. On your videos you admit that home gym machines are ok  people go to a gym as who can afford so many machines right
a vibe studio has just that one machine which wont do as much as free weights etc

Al, you wrote the above.  Have you ever used a Vibra-Train brand or other high force Vibration machine?  I’m laughing at the comment that it wont do as much as free weights.  Come into the City Studio and I promise to send you away exhausted and prove you wrong.  (I have nothing against free weights)

Some home machines are okay.  A person who does their homework first and asks lots of questions of salespeople, and has the money for a “better” machine, might buy something that is okay.  Useful for starting off in vibration (therapy more than real exercise), okay for someone who is obese or unfit; okay for sports people as a warm-up and cool-down.  Most people will quickly plateau on even a “better” home machine or in the case of a cheapo pivotal, it will soon become another piece of ‘as seen on tv” junk taking up room in the back shed or on TradeMe for re-sale.

I’ve been involved with Vibra-Train for three years; long enough to see heavy metal hulls, top quality motors, metal handlebars, all of which weigh a ton (figuratively of course but I can’t even think of moving them).  These parts cost heaps.  Also control units with electronics.  What do you want?  A breakdown of proof of costs? 

I’m unsure of the motives of some people here apart from slinging off at Lloyd because he’s been arrogant enough to do things the “Kiwi way” – and build a better machine than big commercial companies could provide.  Better = higher results for the consumer;  machines that don’t break down so full up-time for studio owners etc

Read this article http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/general-consumer-warning-about-cheap-pivotals and if you want more information contact Lloyd directly.  He has a purchase order showing prices.  He will always back up everything he says with proof.

Al, I edited the videos (to remove some session pricing info relevant to N.Z. only).  I don’t know where Lloyd says 80 and 80000, will re-watch later and see if I can find it.

Amanda,

please get back in touchwe can resolve your problem no issue. If you start blabbing online then we will walk away. The 600 excess was explained upfront and is due to the labour involved. You actually bought the machine from an old company I was a director of so legally i have no obligation. speak to you soonleave me a message ill be back in NZ in 4 weeks after my honeymoon

Is that correct Lloyd. Id watch that as the guy told me they will be supplying commercial stuff for vibe studios this year. vibe with a plus sign i think. Check it out.

Can anyone please let me know where to buy a trainer from. I can afford up to  800 dollars,any comments on a good brand or where to buy from would be good. Regards Glenda

Lloyd,

Arent you jumping the gun on this. You havent had all the facts yet you want to expose someone. Calm down fella. Amanda my advice would be to work with the vendor first name and shaming is a last resort. Google Lloyd Shaw just so you know what youre getting yourself into. Involve him at this stage and you can kiss your resolution goodbye..why because Lloyd will shoot his mouth off as he always does. Try and resolve it and contact Lloyd when you feel youve exhausted all other options.

It was sold to me as a Vibration Train machine. It is at work in storage. ill contact you later. Its in Pukekohe so not sure if you want to come out but thanks for the offer. The vendor points out i agreed to pay an excess on any warranty claim of 600 dollars so ive also sunk that as well and apparently parts must come from Germany to fix it. He has suggested i simply buy a new machine at half price which he said is his costi guess that is life and lessoned learnt

Im still negotiating to get my money back so wont say who. I paid 4000 and it broke down the first week I had it. It is branded Vibra motion. Made in NZ. The guy sells all sorts of gear not just Vibra Train machines but its left a very bad taste in my mouthim just spreading the word that these machines are shit.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

I have a problem with a Vibrer trim device purchased on Trademe what the hell should i do about it. It packed up after 4 months and the MF who sold it to me wont give me my coin back...dang

A very interesting abstract from work by Marin and Rhea published in JSCR can be read at www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in vibration exercise as search terms.  It is the second one that comes up right now.  They talk about differences in platforms which is something Lloyd has been preaching ever since I have been in contact with him and say vibration training can be good for chronic strength gains.

John Weatherly

Thought you all might like to read widely regarded amendment to Blooms Taxonomy of Learning by Anderson and Krathwohl 2001.  This is generally believed to have superceeded Blooms.  The hierachy of skills with the first being the least skilled and the last being the most developed is as follows.

1. REMEMBERING

2.UNDERSTANDING

3. APPLYING

4.ANALYSING

5 EVALUATING

6. CREATING

As you can see creating new work based on all the factors below number 6 is seen as the highest order skill.  Many academics only often get as far as 1 and 2. 

Thank you, Lloyd.

Academics – my son will begin his PhD in 3 weeks time.  I am not unfamiliar with the way certification is paraded as wisdom – quite simply, it makes me sick.

  I have a PHD in sports medicine

What are all you qualifications