Brad,

Also I have never heard of you or read about you on this forum, so what do you mean by.... "Now what really annoys me is that you never met me, never spoke with me, never visited my studio but you feel you are completely free to bag me."

Ps. dont take this as a personal attack.

P.s.s Sorry that your business did not succeed.

Brad.

I am that guy from Invercargill you speak of. I started my own company nearly 4 years ago and had nothing to do with Vibratrain, so i guess you could say we were compitition, even though i was at the other end of the country. There was nothing stopping any one from starting there own Vibratrain studio down here. Lloyd choose to help me when I contacted him after we started to fail due to dodgy machines and dishonered warrantys.

We have survived the last 3 years with vibrogyms and have now become a licenced vibratrain studio.

I fail to see why your business failed if you were such a people person, as this is a people business. We have had to constantly re-envent ourselves. We do not come from wealth or posses any great business skills, just a passion for helping people, so blameing lack of business knowledge for closing down sounds like a cop out.

Vibratrain  has to expanded to australia and the u.k so they must be doing something right. Their machines are getting constant results because of there safety programe, which by the way only needs to be supervised once people get to know it. We are dealing with adults after all not idiots.

Mike

also why can you not type a question mark on this forum or brackets and a lot of other things

Lloyd,

I check the net every 6 months or so to see how the industry is developing since I closed my doors Dec 2007.

My name is Brad and I owned Peak Vibe in Botany.  Now what really annoys me is that you never met me, never spoke with me, never visited my studio but you feel you are completely free to bag me.

Lets go through what you mentioned as what companies did and how my company gets put in there with all the other ones that Lloyd mey have visited and spoke with and found to have dodgy practices and closed down.

 "QUOTE" (a)  Opens studio with some skullduggery or secrecy involved. They always think this makes them clever somehow, but in reality it just makes them look dodgy. People who are really confident at what they do, hide nothing.

Lloyd knows when peak vibe opened I was not the owner. He would probably also know that the Sunday OPEN DAY had over 400 people come to the studio. To do this there was a huge letter box drop and Newspaper advertising how much more out in te open could a company be

"Hey Lloyd I am about to open a studio this weekend I thought I would let you know so you can set up a plan b to make sure thatnone of your clients come and check it out" DONT BE SO STUPID.

"QUOTE" (b)  Starts putting down the competition straight away, even though that's where they got the idea of entering the industry in the first place from, and everyone around them knows it. Even those closest to them find it kinda underhanded, but they say nothing. I always find this hilarious, because this bluff never works and only makes them look scared.

Well maybe the 1st owner of peak vibe did this the closest I got to doing this was mentioning the fact that from what Clients had told me after they had left you company and come to mine was that they were not supervised anymore after they had completed around 3 sessions. Other than that I never met you never spoke with you and just formed an opinion of you from the way you wrote posts on forums which I am glad to say are a lot better now days as you seem to have swapped you ratio to 80 percent helping people 20 percent attacking people instead of the other way around.

Hi Keith. I dont think you will have to many problems with the all blacks getting primed, people think they are a great team but from what  im seeing they havent won the world cup for over 20 years, cant be that great aye. 

Its not only the wildly unethical behaviour thats amazing, its also teh sheer stupidity...did he think noone would notice

Totally agree Robyn, it is a very big compliment.

From another perspective I think it could be seen as a compliment

Funniest thing i ever seen or maybe the sadest thing. Hypergravity have a new machine out, they have stolen pictures of Vibratrain machines and plastered thier name on them. Lol.

So what does it feel like being the leader Lloyd with every one else trying to copy....

Just keep the All Blacks away from Maximus. I certainly dont want them primed. Glad to hear its going good for you Mike.

Sheesh Mike, soon you’ll be telling us new customers are arriving in droves, just to see your well toned body, with those massive biceps and overall great muscle definition.  Send us a pic please for my studio wall.  Regular customers here are so used to seeing the amazing pic of Lloyd’s 6-pack that they hardly notice, plus, of course, many are getting those same results if they put in the effort.  We can make Vibration Training seem like an easy ride to super fitness but like anything else you get out of it what you put in!  

Definitely makes it easier having high force, top quality machines to work with.

I tried your machine.  It was smooth, with an almost gentle feel when doing a basic squat but the muscle contraction in my quads was so strong and burning during the last 20 seconds of the 60 second time I can really understand how doing the full safety program is giving you results after only a few sessions.  MAXIMUS PRIME... the ultimate transformer, love the name! 

Well i have just finished my 4th work out on our new vibra-train machine, it is truly an unbelievable machine. My biceps are bigger than they where when i was pushing weights 12 months ago and my chest is fricken massive Lol. The definition in my tricep muscles is awesome.

I think I have created a bit of a headache for myself as all my clients are fighting to get on it, might have to set up a ring and have jelly wrestling, only the winners can use the machine.....HA HA

The woman love the machine and we are getting more guys coming in each day and leaving defeated. I call our machine MAXIMUS PRIME..... the ultimate transformer.

Good artilces Lloyd and Di.  The article on muscle wasting and vibration is excellent and written so the layperson can understand it.  More information is coming out all the time.  You may want to check www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and type in "vibration exercise" for recent abstracts of studies.  One by Kemmler out of Germany looked at neuromuscular responses in females over 65 years of age with a year of vibration exercise, conventional exercise, and a control group.  Both the vibration exercise and conventional exercise groups showed improvements but it appears from the abstract that the vibration exercise group improved the most.  This looks like a good study because it was done over a year and had two exercise groups along with the control group.

John Weatherly

Thanks guys.

I think Lloyd would be best to answer your question philippa, I think a force 3 puts you into about 8 or 9 times your own body weight were as a force 5 is around 12 times. Therefore you get a much harder workout where your body has to respond even more. Remember the harder the machine pushes you the harder your body pushes back. 

I let my 19 year old son try a full body tricep dip last night and he was at complete failure after 38 seconds, he had to jump off. Lol.  And he is very strong and fit, into martail arts and at the gym doing heavy weights 3 times a week.

Also my bodybuilder friend, ex NewZealand champion, tried full body tricep dip, only just made it, then full body bicep curl, struggled with that to Lol. He couldnt believe the pump he had after only 2 minutes.

Lloyd has truly created an increadible product that will revolutionise the way we view training in the future, and the best part is this is only a glimpse of what he is going to create.

Congratulations Mike thats great news.  Cant wait to hear how people get on.  How much tougher is the Force 5 that the Force 3

Congratulations Mike. May the Force be with you.

Well its finally happened, we have just taken possession of the most powerful vibration training device in the world, a force 5 vibra-train machine yahooooo.

After 3 years of constant phone calls and flying from one end of the country to the other, We are vibra-trains latest licenced studio.

This has not been an easy road, we started with a pivotal system but found out within 3 months the results were limited. We then went on to a professional lineal system with vibrogyms which has seen us right up till now. 

After flying to Auckland last week for more training I helped Lloyd hand build what is only one of three force 5 machines in the world and shipped it to my place. The other two are at his head studio.

Spending time with Lloyd has helped me understand the physics behind the machine and why a safety programe is so important. Precise angles make all the difference between a workout or an injury.

About an hour ago I put my wife and a customer, who has been with us for 4 months, through the safety programe on the force 5 and they both said how much smoother the workout was, the wife is still complaining about her triceps, and the customer  was wiping sweat from her face. These machines are just incredible, they tend to sneak up and whack you in the muscle when you least expect it.

A big thankyou to Lloyd Shaw and vibra-train for their hard work and relentless support.

And just to think this all started because I picked up the phone and talked to the competition.....

I would like to add, remember there is no such thing as a bad machine, just bad unethical marketers.

Not a bad little review of different retail units on this site...

http://www.vibration-trainer-review.co.uk/index.html

It is run by Monika Akabusi who obviously got off her ass and tried the different machines. As a Personal Trainer she seems to understand the "feel" of the machine is important ( not just the specs on a piece of paper ) , and I sent her a link to this site so hopefully she can incorporate some of this general knowledge into her attempts to protect the consumer. 

She hasn't reviewed any High Energy Lineals yet, so that will be interesting if she can get to a studio to try one out. 

Ha Ha, yea i noticed that too, if  i recall hypergravity accused you of copying power plate. Now after they copied vibrogym they have gone on to try and copy your design. I wonder if there is a reason for his double plate or he is trying to look like vibra train. a nice complement  to you Lloyd.

At the end of the day until they understand the physics behind the machine they still will not come close to what Lloyd has designed.

Oh Yeah, we are so mean and nasty!  Really?  Judge for yourself.   I just had a lady come into the studio, (she was going door to door of businesses), asking for a donation to help with the next Para-Olympics.  Better than a donation, she got a lesson on what Vibration Training on high quality machines can do for people with disabilities.  I also told her that many of the people who would compete in para-olympics would be eligible to use our studio for free, no-charge, zilch!  That’s a service we provide, not for every disability but for life-threatening and severe permanent conditions. 

The people we are “nasty” to are the ones who risk people’s health/fitness by not knowing what they are doing and not wanting to learn; the people who are in this industry only to make money (also no real concern for the customers); the people who think they are above taking advice from others who have done the “hard yards” before them; manufacturers and sellers of low quality machines who pass them off as the best and charge top prices instead of being honest; and others of similar ilk.

Hey Keith and welcome.  We’ve said it before.  Just wait till we get the All Blacks training on our Vibra-Train machines; we’ll conquer the world!  We’re working on getting this site up top in the Google ratings.  It takes click-through from other sites and more but we’re getting there fast!

Hi Guys

Ive been following the advice freely given by Lloyd Shaw on training and which machine to purchase and have been going for 2 years now on vibration training having given up the sweaty Virgin gym machines a year ago.

I value also the advice and opinions of others who contribute to this site like Mike Hair Di Heap et al. I have assisted friends with back problems following advice received from Lloyd and in one case avoided a back operation to one of my employees.

So the suggestion is to make sure you have the qualifications before calling Lloyd an idiot.

Sorry about the Tri Nations Mike and not a word about athletics SA please.

Are there any other search terms besides vibration training advice to use on google to get this site more recognised. I had to get here through Lloyds site.