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Lloyd.R.Shaw |
Posted On:2021-11-08 19:16:00
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Ravin
Sorry that company stop producing machines a while ago. But you can still pick them up occasionally online, and they can still be serviced. Still one the of the best Pivotal machines ever made.
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Ravin |
Posted On:2021-10-30 19:34:25
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Hi,
I was wondering if one can still get Gravity HQ Revolution vibration excercise machine in New Zealand and do they have after sales service.
Thanks for your help
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Sam |
Posted On:2021-10-26 15:06:54
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Hi Lloyd,
I have severe plantar fasciitis in my left foot which came about as a result of an injury at work several years ago. I tried what I though was everything - nothing helped, until I came across vibration training. The best way I can describe it is a miracle! I’ve been using a Power Plate Pro6 at a local gym in New Plymouth, however I’m paying $100/month membership. I’m moving to Palmerston North early next year, and I’m a bit worried there won’t be a fitness club with a Power Plate which I can train on. I tried calling several but none seemed to have any idea about vibration training! If you know of anywhere in Palmerston North, please let me know. The other option is I buy my own machine. I browse Trademe regularly but there’s never much on offer. I’m thinking about either a Power Plate Move or a Hypervibe G14. I’m wondering, what do you think of these machines? Do you think the Power Plate Move is worth the hefty price tag? If you know of another manufacturer that offers an alternative at a more reasonable price, again, please let me know. I really like what you’re doing. Vibration is an amazing therapy which more people should be aware of. Next time I’m in Hamilton I’m really keen on calling into the studio. Might see you there!
Kind Regards,
Sam
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Lloyd.R.Shaw |
Posted On:2021-08-31 21:15:17
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Fi. Just emailed you the list. Hope all goes well.
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Fi |
Posted On:2021-08-31 11:16:20
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Hi Lloyd
please can you provide a contact for a service manual or person to assist in a fault we have with gravityhq revolution vibration training machine. Many thanks!
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Lloyd.R.Shaw |
Posted On:2021-07-27 07:13:57
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Good to hear you did not feel unwell after the jobs. As for if Vibration Training helps? Top possibility as a program and machine designed to increase blood flow and lymphatic drainage at an unusually high rate, plus high quality muscle . It does allow the body when moved to produce far more hormones and neurotransmitters that block pain and generally make you feel good, even if your body is reacting to something.
I do NOT think it boosts your immune system enough to make any real difference. It is far more likely to be these other systems.
Eg.... Since I built my first unit, I have not had "The Man Flu " ( Men do actually feel worse than Women because we lack certain abilities Woman have ) . I can catch something, but it just kind of bounces off. So I think VT saves us from any severe symptoms.
Note: I believe if it catches on Vibration Therapy / Training will be a big part of Long Covid recovery. It ticks all the boxes for recovery WITHOUT any of the risks and expenses. But I can see Physios, PTs etc..working hard to rubbish it because they will see it as a threat rather than something they should use in their practice.
The biggest clue it will work for Long Covid, is all the afflictions and limitations associated with it, are already treated successfully in many other situations. It is about as close to a treatment designed for Long Covid as you could get.
BUT....... People do need to know how to use the machine properly. I notice some of the research is being done by a company that does everything half-assed, and has not even got a machine designed for WBV for people with disabilities yet. So those studies will only show the promise. of what could be done. They will just be trying to make a buck out of the crisis without upping their game.
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Nick |
Posted On:2021-07-25 19:09:20
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Covid Vaccine: Did I boost my immunity from Vibration Training stopping bad side effects post my Pfizer shot for Covid ?
Most of my friends who were healthy took either, AZ or Pfizer vaccine and typically were sick for 3 to 5 days. I did lots of vibration 1 month leading up to my Pfizer shot, one of my friends who did Pfizer 5 mins before me was sick for 5 days, I was totally fine, no after effects, was my immunity higher from vibration training, or was I just lucky?
I did research online re NCBI medical labs in the US doing Vibration Training for Covid patients in ICU to help them recover from Covid, using either full size vibration machines or small vibration panels at the end of the bed for patients. NCBI thinks vibration may refresh the cells and flush off toxins from white blood cells boosting immunity to viruses and diseases.
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L.R.Shaw |
Posted On:2021-07-18 10:22:08
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Michael .
The curved surface has been put on those Pivotal machines to stop people falling off. Because they keep turning the machine up on high speeds because they have no idea what they are doing ( thanks to the fake expert companies who sell them ) So no, not dangerous. Quite the opposite.
Yes, I might have to do a tutorial. Just to clean up some myths about VT.
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Michael |
Posted On:2021-07-16 09:37:38
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I have another question. Many of the devices in the 500 Euro plus range have a curved surface. Is that a useless gimmick or potentially dangerous
Thanks again
Michael
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Michael |
Posted On:2021-07-16 09:23:58
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Dear Lloyd Shaw,
thank you for your swift reply. I will study your recommendations thoroughly and try to get the best results out of it. Any advice for a youtube tutorial, apart from your own videos which do not seem to show workouts
Cheers Michael
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L.R.Shaw |
Posted On:2021-07-15 21:24:05
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Hello Michael. My answer is actually quite short, and probably not what you expect., but here goes.
( Not discussing or comparing my machines. As that is completely unfair, as most of the serious poses we do can not even be done on retail devices . Be it $200 or 25K)
My opinion is still very in line with this older article.... So make sure you read this first.
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine
(1) Frequency. ( on a cheaper Pivotal machine ) quite seriously I have seen positive body composition changes in people in less than 3 weeks under my instruction at 5 hz.. ( using an actual Inbody Biospace Body Composition machine. ) So we are talking an increase in muscle quality and a reduction in body fat % )
Nothing mind blowing. And as I have said before you would take more time to get the kind of results we see on the full functioning units. But if you were trying to follow the standard Safety Pivotal Program,( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf ) and skipped the physio / massage poses, and doubled up on the Direct Response poses ( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/the-4-main-categories-of-vibration-training-poses ) and held perfect angles for 60 seconds
That would ( and does ) give a muscle fatiguing workout most regular gym goers would find difficult to conquer.And would be MORE than they usually did at the gym ( considering most people waste time at the gym doing rubbish exercises )
So short answer... It seems to not really matter how fast a Pivotal machine is going, a certain mindset and willingness to learn a new discipline, seems to work better than most people's attempts at changing their Body Composition using other means
But that is the sticking point. I have yet to find a single owner or salesperson who sell these Pivotal machines who are disciplined enough to use them in that manner. And it shows. They tend to just wind them up, in place of disciplined posture, and stay looking the same, if not worse.
" Would you categorically rule out that a machine in the 500 Euro ballbark would be capable of delivering a 27 htz pivotal and or vertikal experience questionmark "
No I would not write it off as impossible now. As companies have had plenty of time to innovate Almost 20 years. .There are many ways to create Vibration or movement. And I mean for most consumers you only have to make it move fast for them to be happy, because they are not aware of the full truth. The brainwashing marketers have done a good job ruining the science. But I would be very dubious of such a claim.
So my advice, but what you can. BUT be ready to work you ass off mentally and physically to get those results you want.
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Michael |
Posted On:2021-07-13 09:05:10
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Hello Lloyd Shaw, and greetings from Germany. I hope things are working out well for you.
I am a person with little time bc of work and family and therefore would like maximum efficiency while working out. I am currently doing EMS in a studio which works out well. However, vibration machines seemed to be a nice alternative in order to create a different stimulus.
I have been largely confused by the scarce and often incorrect information and advice given on many webpages, including manufacturers and reviewers. Now, after some attempts at clarity using German and American sites, yours really seems to be the most nuanced and thoughtful approach.
May I, briefly, ask whether you think the following assessment is about correct...
If you want the "highly efficient" approach ie that which has been advocated as substituting 1h through 10 minutes, you will need to find a good gym . Virtually no machine you could afford andor place at home will deliver the same effect.
Unfortunately in Germany and the US there are the following reviews. Most of the machines operate in the 5 to 15 Hertz range and therefore have limited purposes which is not necessarily bad if you own up to it. But some in the 400 to 500 Euro ballpark purport to deliver frequencies up to 50 hz.
According to your findings, that seems to be a deception. Even though some brands are clearly overpriced, there is a reason for something costing 500 Euro vs 5000 Euros, or make that any other currency you see fit.
Would you categorically rule out that a machine in the 500 Euro ballbark would be capable of delivering a 27 htz pivotal and or vertikal experience questionmark
So, the only good at home machines are those you specifically use for massage, relaxation etc.
I would appreciate your statement on whether I got the essence of what you are writing here. I can provide you with the labels of the machines in question. It seems to be a rather noninternational market with the exception perhaps of Power Plate who I understand you dislike and I also have qualms about, but the underlying principles or technology has to be the same.
Thank you for your feedback.
Cheers Michael
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Lloyd R Shaw |
Posted On:2021-06-05 17:23:12
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Hello Candice.
First off, I'm very sorry to hear about your cancer.
Secondly. I only recommend the CV9. Cardiotech sells it. I wished I had known about the issue you had. Probably would have got it sorted as it sounds like an unusual electrical problem. .
Thirdly if your cancer is active, and especially near the head, I recommend people not to do VT. Only because tumours have a habit of bleeding under vascular pressure ( hyper-circulation during vibration training etc... ) , and in your head the pressure has nowhere to go.
I do know some people use the machines with cancer, but it is a complicated enough subject with so many variables. I do not think salespeople should be recommending it.
Here is a very old article from me about the subject...
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-51---60/vibration-training-cancer
Now to the differences in machine ( and how you use them )
I would really need to know exactly what you were doing to say what did what. As not every position is a training position. Some are physio poses. That of course would make a huge difference. I know the Safety Program I designed that came with the CV9 was designed to pinpoint any issues very quickly, so the program could be modified if necessary. But as you would know it was highly disciplined and even changing the order of the poses would throw that out.
The Power Plate was probably not strong enough to cause much of a reaction. But that is also Lineal, so it can be a totally different experience.
Can you give me your best description of what you did on the Hypervibe. So I can give some useful feedback. Because you may still be able to use it, just not in the way you are...eg more physio like poses..( plus some info on your tumor will help )
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Candice |
Posted On:2021-06-02 14:43:57
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Help please, why does my hypervibe g17 make me nauseous and sick the next few days after using it, what a waste of $4500.00.
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Candice |
Posted On:2021-06-02 13:43:13
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Hi Loyd Shaw, i use to use a powerplate at my local gym, contours ferrymead christchurch, i also did around 6 classs a week and a bit of walking jogging, so was quite fit. I moved to Aussie 5 years ago and bought your c9 machine around $4500, which i used often, i had it fixed and replaced once but the problem reocured where the power was not building up and would take several minutes to decide o work or not, so i bought a hypervibe g17 around $4500, the sales woman rang and rang till i bought it, i told her i had eye cancer a tumour, she said thats ok shes never heard anythig about cancer and not using a machine. I used it on 20 hz and the next day felt dizzy and nausea really bad, this has happened before on this machine, now i know its deffinately this. But this never happened on your c9 or powerplate, can you give me any advice please.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-02-07 20:54:04
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Jeff..
It is an ok machine. But as far as I know it still only has one motor so it is not very powerful. And it never will be as that design loses too much power in unwanted randomly directed vibrational forces. The isolation system can not fix that issue.
You will sometimes read because it only sits at 35hz it is not that good. But actually that is fine.
Sorry, overpriced and underpowered in my opinion..
What we call a lower energy Lineal / 3D . Ok for light therapy, but not strong enough for training and certainly you would need to be VERY light to stand on it without cancelling out all the motors upward force.
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Jeff |
Posted On:2021-02-07 12:54:07
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What do you have to say about Power Plate my3
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-02-04 18:40:11
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A good piece of equipment. I know an academic who was involved with it back at the very beginning.John Weatherly Only had good things to say about it.
Very much a cross training device rather than pure vibration training though so not my speciality.
But having said that, I can say the risk assessment ( safety aspect would be very high long term ) and it will bring about peak heart rate much faster than traditional cardio. And make sure you buy the model with the climbing action.
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Suu |
Posted On:2021-02-04 02:01:21
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Hi
Is Versa ExerVibe Climber good for vibration and lose weight
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-01-25 23:18:09
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Gregor
Just the option of lateral and spiral movement in the vibration sets alarms bells off for me It shows me they really do not understand how pure the movement must be to stay as safe as theoretically as possible ( I always judge on the idea you may use it for decades )
The fact is any movement of the plate not working directly against gravity, is NOT Vibration Training. And unfortunately for some reason it seems they have taken a standard Pivotal Platform, and destabilized it thinking that is automatically a good thing. But in my opinion it is not.
I will explain why....
Consider this. It is good to destabilize you, by pushing you sideways ( pivotal ) so you are forced to not fall over. But the standard "push" is by lifting one leg up higher, while the other drops lower. So it is your total body mass that is moved and you work against that. That replicates quite a few things in nature.
But having the plate spiral under your feet quickly, or slide side to side very quickly, replicates nothing in nature (.It is like being tackled around your feet.) It is why our joints do not work like that. Maybe in small doses it may not cause issues, but over a long time ??? And I see zero benefits, as you are not even working against gravity, which only pulls straight down last time I checked.
Note: Lineal is both feet going straight up at the same time. So like doing a little jump.We definitely designed for that.
Eg..... Stand in a conveyor belt VS Standing in a lift going up.
Go try that out. See what you FEEL.
Quite simply all that random vibration is a form of vibration therapy, but without knowing a bunch of factors, I would not swear it is safe.
FYI.... Take a look at this video at the 9.00 min mark... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXf11GbSVRE
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Gregor |
Posted On:2021-01-24 16:46:12
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Do you have an opinion on the LifePro rumblex 4d plus?I bought a percussion massage gun from them and find it to be of excellent quality. I would like something for general strength and mobility improvement.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-28 09:56:06
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Hello Christa...
It is a standard Low / Medium Speed Pivotal platform.
All those types of machines can give decent results but ONLY if following some really strict guidelines. And it will take longer times on the machine than the advertising they use to sell them 10 min = 1 hr Etc..... because the 10 min machines are huge and a lot different.
For basic body composition change ( weight loss / boost metabolism ) You HAVE to be able to do these 5 poses perfectly .
Basic squat
Kneeling push-up
Wide-stance squat ( or another squat if it is a bit small )
Tricep dip.
An abdominal position ( NOT a lot of them, they DO NOT BURN FAT )
Read this article below first, then come back and give me your precise goals. And I will give you advice that will not waste your time.
Hint....99% of the advice given with the machine is done by pretend experts who are just using the plate like they normally do their stuff on the floor. When in fact real VT is like nothing you have done before ...eg...NO MOVING.
No such thing as a bad machine.
Important Note: In regards to workouts and weightloss only.
This article is to help clear up the question we get the most from consumers on the forum " Is this a good machine " The simple answer to that question, no matter what brand we are discussing is YES. Every machine ever made is designed for a certain purpose, and as long as you clearly understand that purpose, you can not be disappointed or ripped off.
Bad people however do exist, and these are the 5 most likely ways they will try to mislead you .......
Lineal machines...
Not telling you the power ( high energy or lower energy ) of the machine plays an important part in how fast you may see results. The lower powered the unit, the longer your workout needs to become and the machines can in fact be so weak ( usually medical devices ) as to provide no workout at all, no matter how long you use it. They are designed for other purposes.
So the catch phrase "10 minute workout" you see being used in advertising may in fact not actually apply to all machines sold.
More power = Shorter workout
Less power = Longer workout
Some people don't mind paying to use a very large powerful machine because they are short on time, 10 mins is all they have. But other people may want to buy a machine to work out at home with, so something a bit lighter is fine. It does becomes a "20 min workout" to get the same results, but for someone not in a hurry that is not a problem
Pivotal machines....
Not telling you the speed of the machine makes all the difference in how fast you may see results. A machine going very slowly can in fact help without having to wind it up to high. And NO they do not replicate running. But the slow speeds are also used for medical issues like a balance problem ( usually about 6 hz ) . The faster the machine goes just gives you room for some variation later on down the line. But it is NOT a massive factor .....
The poses you "have" to do to lose weight or do a workout ........
This is one of the biggest problems we see. People being shown or told all you have to do is "just stand or lie down on the machine" or " wobble away the fat " to get results. The kind of people who tell you this do not care if you ever get results, because they already have your money. They were selling something else before Vibration Training came along, and they will move onto something else after they do their best make money off it ( but destroying it in the process ) .
Why would they promote such poses.....
Well marketers and dodgy salespeople came up with that idea, so they could target people who really want to believe putting in no effort will somehow equal results if science is involved. They will even lie to people trying to help themselves, which for someone like me who genuinely want to help people fight obesity, makes them scum of the earth. If you see anyone promoting these poses for weightloss, do not buy off them.
Without a proper program you are wasting your time and money.
Making up horror stories about Pivotal Vs Lineal.......
This is where a salesperson will simply try to get a sale by telling you someone else's machine will hurt you. Or use subtle derogatory terms to describe the "feeling" of another type of machine.
Eg... " Lineal feels like a jackhammer, its horrible " " Pivotal will hurt your knees or lower back " " I heard that brand got kicked out of a Doctors office" ( no proof of course )
We have heard it all before including this alarming statement " any other machine but ours will make your eyeballs explode" ( Power Plate 2007 ) An Australian company told everyone their competitions would kill you not jpoking.
People using these sales tactics should be treated with caution because the fact is all machines are safe if used properly. Both systems Pivotal and Lineal just feel completely different. Never listen to a salespersons stories or opinions, because unless they are selling multiple types of machines, they will always direct you away from trying other products before you buy.
Celebrities, Athletes and Gyms use this exact machine.........
This one is simple. You get what you pay for, if its cheap and light no-one serious is using it in any way. Let alone celebs that spend a fortune looking great. And no Gym is going to touch something that is too small or too weak to take their largest member. Just be realistic about what you want to pay, and what grade of machine you will get for that price. If it sounds to good to be true, it is.
So there you have it, 5 things to listen for, be skeptical about or ask when purchasing a machine, no matter how expensive or how cheap it is. Happy hunting.
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Christa |
Posted On:2020-12-27 18:35:27
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Hello. Id love to hear if you have any thoughts on the Lifepro Waver Vibration Plate.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-09 11:30:34
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Stephen |
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I have deleted your link because this forum is NOT for marketers.
If you have anything too ask or something educational to discuss. Then that is fine.
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Stephen |
Posted On:2020-12-08 18:50:55
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We have vibration machine for lymphatic function and weight loss.
If it can help you,its my pleasure.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-11 13:07:09
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Jen
Any low profile Pivotal machine will do.
Example...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vibration-Machine-Cardiotech-Lifeback-2-Full-Body-Muscle-Exercise-/223360738775
To get results you just need to be very disciplined and use the machine properly. Which we can help you with.
What studio have you been using to date ?
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Jen |
Posted On:2020-11-10 16:09:54
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I am new to vibration and am currently using machines at a studio. I am looking for a home unit, hopefully one that is more portable, as we are snowbirds that go from Canada to the USA for the winter. I am wanting a unit that we can easily take in our car. Are there any of the more portable types that you would recommend. I have lipedema and am looking for vibration for lymphatic function and for weight loss, thanks
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-10 06:42:08
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Sorry folks. Still a bit of spam hitting the site.
Please continue to ask questions and they will be answered and the spam deleted.
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Betty G |
Posted On:2020-09-09 05:05:20
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Going forward the information you have shared about this Company will help me understand any "future" problems or issues I may encounter with my Hypergravity Unit, especially, since I don t know the name of their Company now or even the phone number. I will certainly keep you updated on the type of breakdown I may experience especially since you took the time to reply to my Comment.
And, I really wish nothing but the "best" to come out of this WBV Industry once the "Greedy People" get on the right track.....Geezzz
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-09-08 16:42:43
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Betty G
If the machine you have is still running, then it is still a good basic machine.
The reason for the Blacklist was a trust issue.And it took some doing to get up there.
It came to light many of his machines were breaking down but he was spending considerable effort to keep that information from the community, which was a trust model and had increased his sales 700%.
I personally got him his first studio set up overseas, and units into N.Z. and Australia. They all caught on fire or cracked apart. ( not joking )
When I found out they were not just breaking down, but he was blaming the owners for obvious engineering flaws ( which is what Power Plate used to do ) I tried to help him, but got attacked instead. Just too much drama, insanity and dishonesty to deal with. Bit sad really. The U.S. needed an honest company that stood out from the rest to carry the flag for uis serious folk. ( more than a few issues with safety and programs needed sorting, but we never got that far )
I have since had many reports of people who had breakdowns and never got a reply back., email or phone. So have no idea what the story is now.
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