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Franki from Georgia, US

Posted On:2022-05-17 22:57:05

Lloyd Thanks for your reply and I appreciate you cleaning the invading Russian spam on this apolitical forum. My home based excellent Whole Body VT device that I purchased in 2014 after you recommended it is the lineal DKN XG10 Pro. Serial 1406310028. Cordially. Franki

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-05-15 14:36:09

Frankie can help but need to know the type of machine you have.

Franki from Georgia, USA

Posted On:2022-05-15 10:26:23

Lloyd. I am one of your fans and I have a home based VT device that you recommended in 2014 and it has been providing me with health benefits. My lovely 94 yo mother and I share the same household and I take care of her. One health issue that our Health Care providers have not been able to assist with is her bent over posture which is due to weakened aging core muscles and not bone based. Is there a VT plan that you could recommend to assist with this. Cordially. Franki

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-05-14 11:31:40

And sorry folks for the spam. It is all coming from Russia. They seem to be randomly trying to shut down forums on any subject. Or maybe one of the thousands of comments or articles have key words they do not like.

And yes we tried to stop it before, and they still find a way through.

I delete them every day, sometimes twice, so please keep posting questions, I will still answer.

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-05-13 22:02:00

Franki from Georgia, USA

What kind of machine do you have. Pivotal or Lineal.

Franki from Georgia, USA

Posted On:2022-05-13 04:59:39

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-05-03 18:56:51

Hello Franki

No problem. That machine is a Higher Speed Pivotal machine. Quite a decent unit. Which can be used it two different ways.

(a) Pure Vibration Therapy. Which will help with the kind of issues you would see a Physiotherapist for.

(b) Used to work out on, with the aim of changing your body's composition. Fat VS Muscle VS Bone Vs Metabolism etc...

Both are separate disciplines and should never be mixed up with one another. Or it could cause damage to the person using it, or show basically zero results.

Eg.... If the person is standing on the machine lock-legged. Just rocking side to side, which is a balance therapy position. And they make it go faster thinking they will lose weight or something profound in that area, they are going to be disappointed.

(1) The proprioceptive ( balance system in the body, muscle to brain communication ) will not happen because it has to be on a low Fq for that to take place.

(2) Because you are taking no muscles to fatigue, it can not do any of the body composition actions people usually want. ( no matter what the scammer who sold it said ) I say that because that company was one of the hundreds not telling the whole truth about Vibration Training. They told people just standing on it is like an hour at the gym. Very dishonest but I wrote articles warning people. That is all you can do.

Here is a program for anybody who has a Pivotal machine and wants to get the best out of it in a general " whole body workout " type goal.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf

If the person wants to do therapy. I really need to know the exact issue they have. I can then tell them how to use it effectively and safely.

Franki

Posted On:2022-04-30 06:44:18

Lloyd. Greetings. My 53 yo nephew was recently gifted a Lily TRI FLEX WBVT device by a friend that had already been using it. Since I am one of your fans after I read both of your websites in their entirety in 2014 which led to my writing a 9 pages summary of them as I interpreted them for my reference and those around me then I purchased a home based WBVT device recommended by you, I proceeded to review your list of your favorites and your non favorites devices and since it was not there, I followed your link to inquire about it with you in here. Could you please make comments on this device at your convenience so I will be able to share them with my nephew. FYI, I am very happy with the one you recommended and I continue using for therapy purposes with beneficial outcomes. Franki from Georgia, US.

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-04-13 19:17:48

Hello Jane,

Yes good unit to use, just DO NOT turn it up. ( keep the fqs low and work on perfect form ) Or you could do more damage than good.

So approx 5 hzs is good.

Follow the basic safety program I made up here for another company. ( link below ) And yes working out the whole body is needed. You need all the stem cells you can get to fix yourself. Which come from every long bone you have.

Please message me back to confirm you understand NOT to turn the machine up. OK

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf

Jane Yates

Posted On:2022-04-13 09:57:09

Hi Lloyd,

I used to attend Vibratrain in both Pukekohe and Auckland city with you. I am now 62 and have cartilage and degeneration in both knees caused by various accidents over the years. Nothing to do with vibration training. About 10 years ago I bought a Gravity HQ Revolution which has a pivotal plate I believe. I haven't used it for a long time as haven't been sure whether it will help or do more damage to my knees. Currently I cycle to strengthen my knees, but would also like to use this machine if it is safe and suitable. Can you advise me as if this machine can safely be used with my knee issues and if so what poses are and aren't safe.

Thanks

Jane

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-02-01 13:24:14

Kris...

Email me. I have a list the owners gave me. .. LuisMorXXXa

lloyd@vibra-train.com or lloydshaw.vt@gmail.com

Kris	Posted On:2022-01-29 14:46:37

Hi there, we bought the Evolution Gravity Vibration in New Zealand and we love it but unfortunately we are now having trouble with the belt inside the plate box.

It comes off all the time, even at low levels. Is there a New Zealand repair service at all or can this belt be replaced. Any information would be much appreciated. Many thanks Kris

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2022-01-09 11:23:47

Katie.... Go for the Katie...

Go for a Gravity Revolution if you can. Serious bit of equipment. But PLEASE follow my advice on usage.

The company itself is gone ( one of many who could not handle the many hurdles being successful in this industry ) But I do have a list of techs who fix them if anything goes wrong.

Katie

Posted On:2022-01-04 14:47:09

Hi, trying to find a second hand vibration trainer, I did vibra train years ago but it's not available in my location so wanting something for in my home. Do you know if the TZone Vibration Training machines are any good, or the crazy fit ones. I've found a couple of revolution hq gravity machines but up north so not sure I'd be able to get them to my location. Any advice appreciated.

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-11-22 16:56:27

John... Try contacting this company to see if they are still selling ... producing. Owner is Martin.

John.. Try contacting this company to see if they are still selling / producing. Owner is Martin. Tell him Lloyd sent you.

http://www.bodyshaker.com/

If you want to follow my exact programs. That is a good solid steel Lineal machine. We have some here in N.Z. still working after 19 years.

Get back to me if you get stuck.

John	Posted On:2021-11-18 03:19:55

Hi LLoyd,

I am considering buying a proper Galileo machine, I live in Europe. It would cost some thousand Euros, but I think considering your workout guide, it might well be worth the price. Since good lineal machines are not available here, I share your distrust in Power Plate, at least a good pivotal machine is a fallback option. What do you think, unfortunately no proper vibration training studio available here, but I have read your guides and would try to follow them.

Cheers

John

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-11-08 19:36:09

Sam...

I will look myself online to see if there is anything decent available. The Power Plate units are definitely overpriced for what you get and the older Hypervibe machines were powerful, but the new units not so much. More light therapy.

Will get back to you in a couple of days.

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-11-08 19:16:00

Ravin

Sorry that company stop producing machines a while ago. But you can still pick them up occasionally online, and they can still be serviced. Still one the of the best Pivotal machines ever made.

Ravin

Posted On:2021-10-30 19:34:25

Hi,

I was wondering if one can still get Gravity HQ Revolution vibration excercise machine in New Zealand and do they have after sales service.

Thanks for your help

Sam	Posted On:2021-10-26 15:06:54

Hi Lloyd,

I have severe plantar fasciitis in my left foot which came about as a result of an injury at work several years ago. I tried what I though was everything - nothing helped, until I came across vibration training. The best way I can describe it is a miracle! I’ve been using a Power Plate Pro6 at a local gym in New Plymouth, however I’m paying $100/month membership. I’m moving to Palmerston North early next year, and I’m a bit worried there won’t be a fitness club with a Power Plate which I can train on. I tried calling several but none seemed to have any idea about vibration training! If you know of anywhere in Palmerston North, please let me know. The other option is I buy my own machine. I browse Trademe regularly but there’s never much on offer. I’m thinking about either a Power Plate Move or a Hypervibe G14. I’m wondering, what do you think of these machines? Do you think the Power Plate Move is worth the hefty price tag? If you know of another manufacturer that offers an alternative at a more reasonable price, again, please let me know. I really like what you’re doing. Vibration is an amazing therapy which more people should be aware of. Next time I’m in Hamilton I’m really keen on calling into the studio. Might see you there!

Kind Regards,

Sam

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-08-31 21:15:17

Fi. Just emailed you the list. Hope all goes well.

Fi	Posted On:2021-08-31 11:16:20

Hi Lloyd

please can you provide a contact for a service manual or person to assist in a fault we have with gravityhq revolution vibration training machine. Many thanks!

Lloyd.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-07-27 07:13:57

Nick...

Good to hear you did not feel unwell after the jobs. As for if Vibration Training helps? Top possibility as a program and machine designed to increase blood flow and lymphatic drainage at an unusually high rate, plus high quality muscle . It does allow the body when moved to produce far more hormones and neurotransmitters that block pain and generally make you feel good, even if your body is reacting to something.

I do NOT think it boosts your immune system enough to make any real difference. It is far more likely to be these other systems.

Eg.... Since I built my first unit, I have not had "The Man Flu " ( Men do actually feel worse than Women because we lack certain abilities Woman have ) . I can catch something, but it just kind of bounces off. So I think VT saves us from any severe symptoms.

Note: I believe if it catches on Vibration Therapy / Training will be a big part of Long Covid recovery. It ticks all the boxes for recovery WITHOUT any of the risks and expenses. But I can see Physios, PTs etc..working hard to rubbish it because they will see it as a threat rather than something they should use in their practice.

The biggest clue it will work for Long Covid, is all the afflictions and limitations associated with it, are already treated successfully in many other situations. It is about as close to a treatment designed for Long Covid as you could get.

BUT....... People do need to know how to use the machine properly. I notice some of the research is being done by a company that does everything half-assed, and has not even got a machine designed for WBV for people with disabilities yet. So those studies will only show the promise. of what could be done. They will just be trying to make a buck out of the crisis without upping their game.

Nick	Posted On:2021-07-25 19:09:20

Covid Vaccine: Did I boost my immunity from Vibration Training stopping bad side effects post my Pfizer shot for Covid ?

Most of my friends who were healthy took either, AZ or Pfizer vaccine and typically were sick for 3 to 5 days. I did lots of vibration 1 month leading up to my Pfizer shot, one of my friends who did Pfizer 5 mins before me was sick for 5 days, I was totally fine, no after effects, was my immunity higher from vibration training, or was I just lucky?

I did research online re NCBI medical labs in the US doing Vibration Training for Covid patients in ICU to help them recover from Covid, using either full size vibration machines or small vibration panels at the end of the bed for patients. NCBI thinks vibration may refresh the cells and flush off toxins from white blood cells boosting immunity to viruses and diseases.

L.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-07-18 10:22:08

Michael .

The curved surface has been put on those Pivotal machines to stop people falling off. Because they keep turning the machine up on high speeds because they have no idea what they are doing ( thanks to the fake expert companies who sell them ) So no, not dangerous. Quite the opposite.

Yes, I might have to do a tutorial. Just to clean up some myths about VT.

Michael

Posted On:2021-07-16 09:37:38

I have another question. Many of the devices in the 500 Euro plus range have a curved surface. Is that a useless gimmick or potentially dangerous

Thanks again

Michael

Posted On:2021-07-16 09:23:58

Dear Lloyd Shaw,

thank you for your swift reply. I will study your recommendations thoroughly and try to get the best results out of it. Any advice for a youtube tutorial, apart from your own videos which do not seem to show workouts

Cheers Michael

L.R.Shaw

Posted On:2021-07-15 21:24:05

Hello Michael. My answer is actually quite short, and probably not what you expect., but here goes.

( Not discussing or comparing my machines. As that is completely unfair, as most of the serious poses we do can not even be done on retail devices . Be it $200 or 25K)

My opinion is still very in line with this older article.... So make sure you read this first.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine

(1) Frequency. ( on a cheaper Pivotal machine ) quite seriously I have seen positive body composition changes in people in less than 3 weeks under my instruction at 5 hz.. ( using an actual Inbody Biospace Body Composition machine. ) So we are talking an increase in muscle quality and a reduction in body fat % )

Nothing mind blowing. And as I have said before you would take more time to get the kind of results we see on the full functioning units. But if you were trying to follow the standard Safety Pivotal Program,( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf ) and skipped the physio / massage poses, and doubled up on the Direct Response poses ( http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/the-4-main-categories-of-vibration-training-poses ) and held perfect angles for 60 seconds

That would ( and does ) give a muscle fatiguing workout most regular gym goers would find difficult to conquer.And would be MORE than they usually did at the gym ( considering most people waste time at the gym doing rubbish exercises )

So short answer... It seems to not really matter how fast a Pivotal machine is going, a certain mindset and willingness to learn a new discipline, seems to work better than most people's attempts at changing their Body Composition using other means

But that is the sticking point. I have yet to find a single owner or salesperson who sell these Pivotal machines who are disciplined enough to use them in that manner. And it shows. They tend to just wind them up, in place of disciplined posture, and stay looking the same, if not worse.

" Would you categorically rule out that a machine in the 500 Euro ballbark would be capable of delivering a 27 htz pivotal and or vertikal experience questionmark "

No I would not write it off as impossible now. As companies have had plenty of time to innovate Almost 20 years. .There are many ways to create Vibration or movement. And I mean for most consumers you only have to make it move fast for them to be happy, because they are not aware of the full truth. The brainwashing marketers have done a good job ruining the science. But I would be very dubious of such a claim.

So my advice, but what you can. BUT be ready to work you ass off mentally and physically to get those results you want.

Michael

Posted On:2021-07-13 09:05:10

Hello Lloyd Shaw, and greetings from Germany. I hope things are working out well for you.

I am a person with little time bc of work and family and therefore would like maximum efficiency while working out. I am currently doing EMS in a studio which works out well. However, vibration machines seemed to be a nice alternative in order to create a different stimulus.

I have been largely confused by the scarce and often incorrect information and advice given on many webpages, including manufacturers and reviewers. Now, after some attempts at clarity using German and American sites, yours really seems to be the most nuanced and thoughtful approach.

May I, briefly, ask whether you think the following assessment is about correct...

If you want the "highly efficient" approach ie that which has been advocated as substituting 1h through 10 minutes, you will need to find a good gym . Virtually no machine you could afford andor place at home will deliver the same effect.

Unfortunately in Germany and the US there are the following reviews. Most of the machines operate in the 5 to 15 Hertz range and therefore have limited purposes which is not necessarily bad if you own up to it. But some in the 400 to 500 Euro ballpark purport to deliver frequencies up to 50 hz.

According to your findings, that seems to be a deception. Even though some brands are clearly overpriced, there is a reason for something costing 500 Euro vs 5000 Euros, or make that any other currency you see fit.

Would you categorically rule out that a machine in the 500 Euro ballbark would be capable of delivering a 27 htz pivotal and or vertikal experience questionmark

So, the only good at home machines are those you specifically use for massage, relaxation etc.

I would appreciate your statement on whether I got the essence of what you are writing here. I can provide you with the labels of the machines in question. It seems to be a rather noninternational market with the exception perhaps of Power Plate who I understand you dislike and I also have qualms about, but the underlying principles or technology has to be the same.

Thank you for your feedback.

Cheers Michael

Lloyd R Shaw

Posted On:2021-06-05 17:23:12

Hello Candice.

First off, I'm very sorry to hear about your cancer.

Secondly. I only recommend the CV9. Cardiotech sells it. I wished I had known about the issue you had. Probably would have got it sorted as it sounds like an unusual electrical problem. .

Thirdly if your cancer is active, and especially near the head, I recommend people not to do VT. Only because tumours have a habit of bleeding under vascular pressure ( hyper-circulation during vibration training etc... ) , and in your head the pressure has nowhere to go.

I do know some people use the machines with cancer, but it is a complicated enough subject with so many variables. I do not think salespeople should be recommending it.

Here is a very old article from me about the subject...

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-51---60/vibration-training-cancer

Now to the differences in machine ( and how you use them )

I would really need to know exactly what you were doing to say what did what. As not every position is a training position. Some are physio poses. That of course would make a huge difference. I know the Safety Program I designed that came with the CV9 was designed to pinpoint any issues very quickly, so the program could be modified if necessary. But as you would know it was highly disciplined and even changing the order of the poses would throw that out.

The Power Plate was probably not strong enough to cause much of a reaction. But that is also Lineal, so it can be a totally different experience.

Can you give me your best description of what you did on the Hypervibe. So I can give some useful feedback. Because you may still be able to use it, just not in the way you are...eg more physio like poses..( plus some info on your tumor will help )