David J...

Both products you mention would be considered home / light Pro work. Definitely not commercial.

To get any results you will need to know exactly what you are doing. Be very strict, and these results will be a lot slower than heavier units will give.

So not great. But could be worse.

Note:  The Zen Pro 6920 would be comparable to a Power Plate.  

I found a massage therapy studio in Portland Oregon that has both pivotal and lineal machines. The lineal machines are made by Power Vibe. Their models are Zen Pro 5910 an Zen Pro 6920. The pivotal machine  is a Vibramax Pro 8. Please let me know if you have any opinions on these machines.

A word to the real Vibration Training community.

When being attacked by a member of the fitness community or an academic over the validity of what we are doing. Remember Dr William House's ( inventor of the cochlear implant )  favorite quote.....

                             "Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for."


The experts did everything they could to stop his work from being taken seriously. Make no mistake, if they had it their way, these scenes would never have happened  ......

 Search youtube ......   cochlear implant reactions



Always remember , we are the good guys. The people who do not want change are our ignorant / self endorsing experts / greed driven enemy. Never confuse them for people who genuinely want to help others. 

New article: a comparison of two training machines for the home user

Pivotal Vibration Machines – Cardiotech CV9 versus Hypervibe Performance – An Update

http://www.vibeplus.com/?p=3708

BK

For fitness training there are 3 high-speed pivotal machines you can look into – The Cardiotech CV9 (my preferred machine. I’m completing a review article today which I’ll link here soon), The Hypervibe Performance (and there are other machines looking identical but the Hypervibe  is modified), and a newer N.Z. brand called the Gravity Revolution. If Lloyd knows of others I’m sure he’ll add them. Be careful of low-speed pivotals if you’re after a training machine; Crazyfit, VibroMax etc – they are therapy machines with gentle activation.

Each of the 3 brands listed is suitable for serious home training. When turned up in speed they have a feel somewhat similar (not the same) as a lineal machine. Look into the features  of each machine and the after-sales backup .Get any warranty in writing.  Be careful to follow a good program – different settings/speeds for different poses on a pivotal (arms cannot safely be trained at top speed). http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs

If you read the article Lloyd listed you’ll get some understanding of the reasons a lineal machine isn’t suitable in an apartment.  For one thing your walls act as giant speakers – poor neighbours get way more noise than you, plus the “quake” effect isn’t good on masonry. You could be up for a huge repair bill! As Lloyd said there’s ways around it which he’s implemented in some Vibra-Train studio situations where that’s the only choice but these changes in the machine aren’t currently available to home users. Just putting a thick mat under the machine is never enough!

Thank you for that valuable information, Lloyd. I would love to own one of your machines. But unfortunately you dont sell them for home use. So pivotal it is. So it would seem that cardiotech is my best option. Do you have any other brand or brands to recommend?

The main problem with Lineal is the manufacturers who make and sell them do not care about this limitation. They are just cheap copies of old units.

 If they put money into R&D  It  could be solved like I did with mine.

Di Heap/VibePlus,

Because of the vibrations? I thought there would be something to be done to eliminate or minimize the vibrations. So the lineal machine creates more vibration than pivotal? Anyways, I live in the Philippines. Thank you so much for the information. 

BK, We dont recommend a lineal machine for you

Did you read the article linked below?

Your only choice is a pivotal.  If you tell us where you live we might be able to suggest someone to help you decide on a machine that’s suited to your needs.

Hi,

I emailed to BodyShaker to inquire about their product but they haven't replied to me. What other lineal machine brands can you recommend? 

Thank you. 

Bk

BK...   read carefully.


http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

Hello everybody,

Good day! I need your opinion on one thing. I am planning on purchasing a lineal machine. The thing is I live in a duplex style house/apartment. The units are connected and separated only by wall. My question is, does the lineal machine create vibrations or commotions that could possibly disturb our neighbors?

Thank you. Any feedback is appreciated. 

Bk

Just thought you guys might like to see my comparison between the CV9 & Hypervibe Performance!

As mentioned, I have had extensive experience with both machines...

Please find the YouTube link below, I apologize for the terrible presentation on my part, I could never be an actor!!!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oI1P_Q2jT0

Off topic.... But we have seen this kind of behavior with Power Plate and HyperVibe.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9840448/Parmalat-boss-hits-out-at-a2-milk


In our industry it was demonizing other brands or types of vibration in the pursuit of greed. Both "suggesting" other types of machines may hurt, or not be that good for you, in official publicly released advertising.


In my opinion,  just filthy marketing scumbags that need to be purged from our industry. But I suppose they will just go and sell milk instead.  

Thanks for responding so quickly, both of you. It is funny that it was called "shake and bake" because that is what I told my wife I was doing at the gym.

I am 54 years old and in fair shape. The past few years I have lost a lot of my fitness due to spending more time at work and less time at the gym. I am about 15 pounds overweight but what I want is to get back to feeling good from more regular workouts. I want to feel strong and have more energy for work, family, and recreation. Stress has also been more of a factor the past few years and my blood pressure has been on the high side.

I would prefer to try vibration training at a gym until I know it is something that helps me stay fit and I like enough to keep using it. If it works for me then I may want to buy a good machine for convenience. My budget would be around 2000 US dollars.

Thanks for your advice.

The original idea for putting a vibration therapy machine in the bottom of a sunbed was a joke / scam by a couple of guys from S.A. I know them. I  thought they went under years ago. But I know a place in the UK that tried the same thing with low quality Pivotal machines and Sunbeds called "Shake and Bake " ( not joking ) Cant believe it is still being sold as Vibration Training now in the U.S.

I mean even if the machine worked properly, you cant even do any of the required exercise poses in that tiny booth. 

See Pivotal program here....

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs

Maybe pose #1  ?  But that is pure therapy. Not even designed as a workout of any kind.


Anyway. Will look into what is around you. And get back with some advice.   

Note Dr Mercola was only refering to Lineal platforms. And even he was pushing a fake.

The Beauty Angel appears to be, as the name suggests, a beauty product combining light therapy with gentle therapy vibration.  It’s NOT a fitness or strength training machine.  I watched their YouTube video and seeing the very gentle vibration I’d say the claims they make of weight-loss, muscle training and calorie consumption are advertising hyperbole.

So it depends what you are looking for…

Can you please tell us more about yourself, things like your age, fitness level, health and special needs, weight/fat loss needs etc. And what you want to achieve?

Do you want to use a gym as well as using a vibration machine / use a gym quality machine? Or do you prefer to buy a machine for home use and what price range would be okay?

Hi,

I live in the US, Portland, Oregon. I originally heard about vibration training benefits a few years ago from an article on mercola.com. I agree with some of articles from Dr Mercola but not all. At that time I could not find any local gyms that had vibration machines so instead I bought a good quality rebounder from Needak. Recently a new gym opened in my area called Planet Fitness which has a machine called Beauty Angel CVT 42 with vibra shape. It combines light therapy with side alternating vibrations. I am on a trial membership with this new gym so I can try the Beauty Angel vibration machine. I tried to find reviews of the Beauty Angel on the Internet but did not find anything but I stumbled across an article on vibration training and saw comments from Lloyd Shaw that looked interesting.

My quesitons...

1. Do you know of any trustworthy reviews on the Beauty Angel CVT 42 machine.

2. Do you know of any gyms in the Portland, Oregon area that have good vibration machines.

Thanks,

David

Just to clarify why we do not trust 99% of academics involved in this industry. It simply reflects other disciplines.

This is a highly regarded opinion of the one of the 1% of honest researchers. 

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/10840/#.UvjNysG-Rws.email

We still have fake / unethical experts and engineers involved in research into Vibration Training. It is one of my goals to help expose these scammers for what they are.... and to build even better machines they could only dream of.  The kind of machines they never wanted you too see.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-industry-the-theory-and-trainers-tips/articles-11---20-2/fake-specs-the-true-timeline-of-discovery  

 

Mitch...

Yes. If used properly it is a very effective product. But note if you want to tone on the machine ( train to burn fat ) , the strictness of the poses is everything.

Do you recommend the hyper gravity HQ for home use to tone 

The strengthperformance.com site is back up now after being down for approximately two weeks.  It is on the Degree Programs discussion where I mentioned Power Plate.  There is also an NSCA discussion.  It does not appear that they deleted anything.  I thought it may have disappeared like the Power Plate discussions we had on the old Core Performance forum.

John T. Weatherly

John.....

Lots of pretenders will start drifting away from the industry this year.  Just watch.

My main focus will remain moving the industry forward while exposing the scammers at the same time. Bit of a balancing act, but worth the effort long term.

 Cant believe so many companies have fakes at the helm who cant deliver on basic promises like building better machines. More than a few "prototypes" have ended up just disappointing.  One conversation with these pretenders and its obvious to me they are full of it. But they are scammers, so some will follow for a while I suppose...

But it is only a matter of time before everyone who is serious about making a living in this industry wises up and start demanding answers.

So far this year I have already had a few emails from parties who had been turned against me in the past by those with ulterior motives. ( One from 2004 ).  I don't bother with the "I told you so speech " because by then it is a mute point. It is all about the future.

Just glad their passion for what we are trying to do has not been completely squashed by those who were solely driven by greed.

It looks like strengthperformance.com went under not renewing their domain name.  On this site I reported unethical practices like Power Plate and the NSCA founder hiring a former football player who had used steroids as Coordinator of Performance Education while the founder was on the task force for the NSCAs first Professional Standards and Guidelines document.  It does not get much more hypocritical than this. I invited NSCA President Dr. Steve Fleck and the NSCA Board of Directors on the discussion multiple times.  The dodgy Dr. Fleck and the BOD would never come on the discussion.  Now, it all apparently just DISAPPEARED into thin air.

John T. Weatherly

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/9626459/The-Biggest-Loser-you-win-some-you-lose-more


We have covered this topic before. With us questioning not only the shows outcomes in truly fighting obesity. But here in N.Z. a few of the "star trainers" have gone on to have obesity issues of their own. With the same question coming up time and again...

If the genetically gifted trainers cant keep up the charade / punishing regime they demand of others. What kind of message are they sending the target obese demographic ? 

Here’s some of the complaints about ZERO customer service on  PowerPlate North America’s  FaceBook Page:

“… ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE from the company ! I have waited for over SIX weeks for a repair and have received nothing but a pile of lies and false promises. My clients are furious with me for our machine being out of service and as best I can tell, the company couldn't care less. I'd shop elsewhere”

“I would appreciate if the company returned phone calls. My client left 3 messages for you and never got his phone call returned. All he wanted was a little customer service”

“ I would if you guys had a shred of customer service and actually followed through with a repair!”

And on January 9^th  2014,  PowerPlate North America, FaceBook has a link to Dr Mercola’s old (January, 2011) PowerPlate promotional interview and sales page.

Industry people will remember this – where he says you must buy a solid steel machine, that can take your weight, from a reputable company with a good warranty and customer service.

I guess they’ve got to get rid of machines some way

Industry news......

I can not vouch for this information's "up to date accuracy".  ( information taken from duedil.com )

Power Plate is in Liquidation (when checked on 7 Jan 2014)

Owing 10.7 Million NZD


Concerns have been raised about warranty work.


I would love to be able to contact Power Plate directly and clarify what the status of the situation is.  But my experience dealing with them to date, and getting an honest answer, has been futile to say the least. 


The local Power Plate Academy's phone seems to have been disconnected. And studio is lifeless / abandoned. So I cant even go down to the local and ask.

The status of this company changes so often. Talk of being saved by new investors in 2013 has not seemed to changed anything. It is hard to predict its future. But a downward spiral is so far the trend.


We will have to wait and see.       

A post about running I just put up on another site......  Just general knowledge stuff I like to put out there.

 

So many people have problems with running for one simple reason. We are not designed to run naturally.

That's why kids hate to run, but love to climb.

Sure you can "train" yourself to do anything. Like holding your breath under water. But being brainwashed into thinking it is normal and natural , when history shows its not. Is a sure way to damage yourself or feel like a failure.

Eg....   Marathon running is not normal. And the first runner that inspired the marathon run. Died after finishing it.

The myth of humans being natural runners.....Persistence hunting. The technique developed to run a large animal into heat exhaustion. Only works in two geographical location in the whole world.  And even then they worked in teams of 3. Running at a very slow pace. .....No clock involved. 

Here is a good question...Who do older runners not look hot in a swimsuit.... Simply because long distance running literally breaks down the bodies cells faster than you can build new ones past the age of 25..

The truth about running for 99% of us  .......

  Most of us are designed well enough to run on sand like surfaces. Which force good gait control  (  eg.. you cant run on your toes or in a straight line ) and limits the distance you can run.

Sand is also bio-mechanical by nature and works with your joints. Forcing a better bend at the knee  with none of the "lock legged pounding" you see on concrete.

And finally. The reason most people run. To lose weight. Sure it does. But understanding how it really works is very important..Here are the rules..

 Running gets less effective the more you run . Why ?

Two reasons....

(1) Because as you get fitter. You actually become more economical with your calorie expenditure. So you have to go further each time to burn the same amount as your first run..Your body will even break down valuable muscle to achieve this goal. Causing you to be skinny but flabby.

(2)  Also the mechanism that actually makes you burn fat running has nothing to do with your heart rate. It has to do with landing on the ground  on the opposing leg. When you hit the ground you cause a massive eccentric contraction ( catching your own weight ) . This kind of contraction uses 100% of the muscle cells. As opposed to only 30% used to lift the leg up.

When you land your body is actually forced to catch 3 times its own mass. Calculations are made by your body to reduce this force by making you lose weight. But this intricate calculating process can be messed up by landing incorrectly.  Or on a surface so hard it cuts short the response time.

Please note : It is also the reason overweight people should not run. The 3 times your own mass equation can easily surpass what you joints can handle. Even on the best surface or in the best shoes.

Equally if you get too light. that force is reduced significantly and it stops being so effective. 


So by all means. If you want to run. Run. But speak to an unbiased expert first. Someone who will happily fill you in on all the information you need to make the right decisions. And be willing to tell you " running is not for you. Try another discipline " 

John...

As predicted. All the pretenders will fall away.

As you know we caught them red handed pushing fake machines with fraudulent research. When the time is right. That will be general knowledge to all and they will be relegated to our industries shameful history.

It is interesting Athletes Performance is no longer being called Athletes Performance but has changed their name.  See www.TeamEXOS.com.  They have merged with their other brands such as Core Performance and seem to be focusing on the wellness industry more than athletes.  I did not see Power Plate listed as a sponsor.  They must be about out of business.  Power Plate and Athletes Performance used to be corporate partners.

John T. Weatherly