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Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-06-29 19:33:46

Yes thankyou Di Heap. Big pain in the ass. Getting IT Guy to try and stop it. 

 
Di Heap Posted On:2019-06-23 00:17:44

So much spam on this site now. Although I no longer work for Lloyd for ages, I tried to login to remove the spam,  using old saved details on my laptop, but alas my details no longer work. How do the spammers get past the CAPTCHA. There must be a way to protect this forum, its unattractive in present form.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-06-11 23:01:16

I do have two newer units for Lease in Perth. ...If someone tries to sell those units  that should be in storage  they would be stolen goods. As I own them and we do not sell units to the public...

I am just checking up on their security now.  

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-06-11 20:22:48

Tania...... Who is selling themk do you know 

 
Tania Posted On:2019-06-09 19:36:12

I was just talking to Powerplate looking for a Pro5 or Pro7 commercial machine, then noticed 2 VibraTrain machines from New Zealand for sale here in Perth, 1 has vibrating bars and the other does not, are these good machines, apparently not that old either 

 

Thanks

Tania

Nordic Fitness 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-06-05 11:00:02

Have to aplogize for the spam this site gets. Sometimes it is just a robot, other times they are actual attacks because of the sites contents. I delete it often, so please just ignore and still ask your questions.

 

Lloyd Shaw

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-05-11 16:30:46
Yes it was one of the reasons I stopped buying those units. Not only did the quality start to drop, but they refused to even look at redesigning the unit so the electronics could be swapped out in segments. 
 
They way they had it was trying to trap owners into forking out about 7K or go out of business. 
 
Dillan Posted On:2019-05-10 19:35:00

Thanks for getting back to me Lloyd...even if it wasnt the news I wanted. I suppose I just keep using it until it finally dies...

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-05-10 18:28:15
Hello Dillan, glad to hear you are well.
 
Sorry but once those units go, they are just too expensive to fix. And I do not know of anyone who fixes them over here. ( not my design or I could do it ) .They make them solid state so it costs 7K to replace the whole electronic board. 
 
Also the old owner of Power Plate now runs VG. And you know how trustworthy they are. He only cuts corners. 
 
Dillan Posted On:2019-05-08 19:37:05

Hi Lloyd,

I used to work at the Botany VibraTrain studio about 10 years ago. When they shut down I bought one of their VibroGym units which I love and use a couple of times a week as part of my weight training programme. It has recently developed an intermitant fault where it just stops during a cycle and the control panels just shows vertical red lines, not the numbers. If I switch it off at the wall and turn it back on again it usually sorts itself out ok, but I am worried its on its last legs. Do you know if this is a common fault and do you have contact details of someone who can look at it for me.

Many thanks, Dillan

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-04-12 15:46:15
Hugo
 
There is nothing specific you can do on the machine. But from past experience it seems to help most sufferers. 
 
But just the standard safety program. Keep the speeds low and work on form. If you over-stimulate or over-train, it may flare up your condition.
 
 
 
Hugo Posted On:2019-04-11 07:17:52

I have a Revolution HQ which I got 2nd hand but is like new. My health issue is peripheral neuropathy which presents as heat in my feet and is very painful. Nothing has changed despite a lot of medical focus and dietary requirements. I am looking for some instructions for exercises to do on the HQ to see if I can get some relief. Medication is fruitless but I am sure there is a more holistic solution and I am sure the HQ will be a part of that. Any guidance much appreciated. Am I correct Rev HQ NZ have dissappeared

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-04-04 17:48:01
Trent...
 
Email me on lloyd@vibra-train.com  and I can give you a list of electronic engineers who look after those units. 
 
Trent Posted On:2019-03-30 16:18:42

Do you know if Gravity HQ who makes the gravity revolution is out of business.

I can t find their website anymore and have a machine of theirs and the power supply fuse went out and Im needing to figure out what fuse to replace with as I dont clearly see that.

 

Any feedback is appreciated

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-03-20 11:13:59
Teresa 
Yes the Bulletproof unit is a very basic Medium Energy Lineal platform. Used strictly with a proper program will give good overall body composition change. 
 
Teresa Posted On:2019-03-15 06:06:51

I have opportunity to purchase a used Bulletproof Vibe.  Is it a good choice

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-02-28 16:44:32

Paula..

Higher Fqs on Lineal are Ok for massage. 

 
Paula Posted On:2019-02-28 05:19:05

Thank you Lloyd! Yo ur response was very helpful. Is there any application at all , in your opinion in which the higher frequencies would be beneficial

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2019-02-27 19:14:57
Paula...

The Body Vibe unit you have has been around a long time. It is classed as a Lower - Medium Energy Lineal unit. 
 

The Fq settings always seemed randomly high, 54 - 81 hz ( most Lineals are 30hz -- 50hz ). But it will not cause you any harm. I would work on the lower Fq to get the best out of the unit, as if it runs too fast your muscles simply stop responding properly. 

The poses are the most important thing. Eg... Holding perfect angles for 60 seconds. Because the unit is quite small you will just have to do you best to replicate the most important 5 poses. Check out the Lineal program we have here...

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs/lineal-program
 
Paula Posted On:2019-02-26 15:09:42

Hi, I just aquired an older model called the Body Vibe International personal1000. I believe its probably about ten years old. Its in excellent condition and works well. It was given to me and Im trying to find out more info on it. From what I can find the lowest setting appears to be 54 Hz progressing up through nine levels to as high as 78Hz. Even the lowest setting seems like a lot of Hz to me. I believe its linear, or maybe vertical....not sure. The max amplitude is 3.185mm, Max G loading is1.25, and horizontal displacement is0.38 mm. Any info you can give me on this machine would be appreciated. Im fit and used to working out, but Im not sure what the best setting would be given the lowest is already 54Hz.  Thanks

 
Ben Breda Posted On:2018-12-29 20:51:05

I am just going to add my two cents that vibration machines really do work, and if you don't believe me, look up the research on PubMed. I have reviewed the best vibration machines out there, you can find this article here.. https://besthealthgear.com/best-vibration-machine/

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2018-12-28 11:05:02
D....
 
I could have just deleted your comment. Because experience has shown me it is more likely to be scaremongering rubbish from a Personal Trainer or someone with an ulterior motive other than other people safety.Especially now it is 2018.This tech is NOT new. But I do not do that, because it would be unethical of me ( a marketer would ) 
 
The list of precautions you listed, if you got it off a list on the internet,  was just that ' precautions" we as developers of the machines published over 15 years ago. Not only to be super safe, but so they could be openly  discussed globally. It was quite often just copy and pasted by marketers to make it appear they were "experts" in the field.  
 
After 15 years of large scale commercial use, most the the precaution list turned out to be just us being super safe, and have slowly dropped off to a small list of actual contraindications. 
 
Note: It turned out "how" you use the devices was the most important factor in safety. I have only ever come across a couple of machines that were dangerous from an engineering / ergonomic point of view. 
 
P.S. Think about this. They have been used in Children's Hospitals for full decade now, and promoted by most groups involved in helping people with the most severe disabilities. Like MD, or CP , etc... along with studies in Universities on these groups. .
 
If you have any idea how hard it is to get an ethics committee to pass this for at risk demographics, you would know how safe Vibration Training or Therapy is. But it has to be be added, the amount of cowboy fake experts out there selling machines, academics doing research, instructing in gyms etc....on any of the 5+ category of machines available is still a concern to people like me. 
 
Which is why this site was set up.     
 
D Posted On:2018-12-23 21:20:42

I know that WBV can cause brain injury, vision, hearing and balance problems. If you feel your head vibrates stop doing it. Also people with cardiovascular diseases, avoid.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2018-12-14 19:05:42
 
Jena, 
 
 Quite simply I would not believe a single thing they said. I once backed them to the hilt and gifted them sales, with the understanding they would be 100% upfront with me to help protect the consumer. It turned out the owner could not lie in bed straight and blamed all the breakages on his customers.  
 
Check out this old article...
 
They are really crazy. And I mean that. Absolute nutters to deal with.Quite a shame really. 
 
Not really checked on TurboSonic recently. They just got too far out on all their weird theories for me, and refuse to accept the limitations of any device driven by the motor system they choose ( which I discounted for electrical / heat reasons 15 years ago ) And they also still promote as far as I know that just standing jiggling at certain Fqs is Vibration Training.  Which is quite simply not true.. 
 
Just had a look, and the machines seem identical in nature, just a different shell. 
 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2018-12-14 18:05:08
Nicole.
 
As you can see from our review section, that "type" of unit is a Lower Speed v Pivotal.
 
 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews
 
The speed settings mean nothing. It could be running at any random Fq. It is certainly NOT running at 30HZ. 
 
Great Vibration Therapy unit, and you can get some Training results, but you really have to be strict on how you use it. Anything that feels easy is doing bugger all. 
 
Jena Posted On:2018-12-08 16:34:12

Hey Lloyd I have a HyperGravity but train using your protocol. Curious why Hypergravity made your black list, is it primarily their tactics or the quality of their machine. Also curious if youve had a chance to check out the Turbosonic usa and if so, what do you think

Thanx 

 
Nicole Posted On:2018-12-05 18:41:56

Hi! Thoughts on the Vibrabody Slimmer it goes up to 30.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2018-11-12 15:24:11

FitVibe are a good brand. I would find out exactly how old the machine is though.  I think they have had some in stock for years  And ask how much replacement isolators etc... are.  or any other parts that wear out  

 

 

 
Maia Posted On:2018-11-10 21:38:20

Hey Lloyd what are your thoughts on the vibration machine on the website elitefitness.co.nz called( fitvibe )costs 12g

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2018-10-19 12:45:14

Peter .  All good mate.

 
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