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Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2023-02-06 17:23:00

Sorry folks, something up with the copy  paste feature. But you can still just post as normal. 

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2023-02-04 10:23:22

I suppose I should add, to give full disclosure,  in most cases I get nothing from endorsing others products. But in the case of CardioTech we had an issue I wanted to fight.

 

That was a Researcher of Pivotal machines and CP in children. At our local University. Who was also the sole distributor of the most expensive machine avaiable. But not telling the parents that. Basically emotionally blackmailing desperate parents , while not giving full disclosure of what level a machine would do 99 percent of the tasks needed to fight CP.  

The University only tests and uses one companies product. So they can claim ignorance of others. It is all very very unethical. 

I have done a lot of writing for CardioTech over the years, and instead of getting paid I get free machines sent over instead. So far I have given away well over 120 machines to children and adults with all kind of conditions who need a machine to start the VT jouirney. plus often these machines are a much safer design ergonomically for those with limited mobility. 

That is the result of woirking with others and not attacking everybody with a lower level machine than mine, which quite frankly is everybody. But that kind of mentailty will not help me help other right now.  . 

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2023-02-03 19:50:17

Mark...   

Yes, used properly any machine can give results. I have helped support many brands in the past as long as they try to dispel the myths and lies around vibration training or therapy.

If a company puts in an effort I try to help them. Remember I am not anti competitive. Quite the opposite.

What I have always been against is the "just standing on the machine for 10 minutes is Vibration Training" . lie, plus the " it must be pivotal or lineal to work. " ..All the work of marketers, not science based at all. 

If you look at any of my work in that area to help clean up the industry, it is always about trying to match a machine up with a proper program. Not some random poses that look cool but do nothing in reality. Or jumping around like idiots. Or putting up fake specifications. Plus not endorsing any company that uses scare tactic marketing to gain sales. 

All those things have harmed our industry, not so much the machines ......

Read this old piece of mine.... 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine

 

And the training program attached to any machine I say is ok, is hard to do.and requires discipline...  the opposite of the "no effort workout BS preached before "

.http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf

 

Yes I could easily just say nothing but my machines are really any good, all rubbish next to mine, but that is simply not the truth. So many things and outright liars to fight. It is an ongoing job but we have managed to do so much already. By making it worth their while to act better. 

 

Important Note I also stop endorsing companies if they decide to act unethical and my attacks are sustained until it is well known I do not support them and why. But just like some companies I do not endorse any more,  if the machine is ok, it is ok. 

 

 
Mark Posted On:2023-02-03 10:22:56

Whats the deal with your name on "Cardiotech CV12" ads. Surely ou cant actually recomended it.

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-11-07 19:42:51
Hello Bridget Barron  

Do you mean the origin of this website ? It is in New Zealand. But it represents a global industry. Just not many countries have serious machines or programs , so it is hard to get good advice locally for most people. . 
 
Bridget Barron Posted On:2022-11-04 22:14:03
Where are you?
 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-08-26 11:40:08

If anyones question gets deleted accidentally in our sweep for spam please repost.

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-06-02 16:05:32
Di
 
The forum has not been "abandoned" . I have just been in the mortuary more because of Covid 19. I usually clear the bot spam every day. About twice a day.
 
As far as stopping it. We have tried a few times, but because our forum is full of words that are flagged by Russian Bots  as probably discussing the war ( you would be surprised at how many times we use words that are usually used to describe conflict ) they will find a way through.  
 
Di Posted On:2022-06-02 15:27:13

I don't understand why this excellent discussion forum has been abandoned to scammers and bots. Maybe remove it from this site if it can't be protected. 

 
Franki from Georgia, US Posted On:2022-05-20 23:31:24

Lloyd. Thanks for your reply about you helping us regarding my mother bent over posture. Since I am not on Facebook since I find this company too intrusive when I was on it. I am going to email you to your lloydshaw.vt emal address with the dimensions so width and length of my DKN XG10 PRO lineal VT device that I have home. I am glad that I will be able to interact with you through email instead of this forum since the Russian spam invasion is annoying and makes it hard to locate your reply but I am glad I was able to eventually find your replies. Cordially. Franki from Georgia, US. 

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-05-19 18:36:00
Perfect unit to do the job. You need a Lineal unit with quite a large surface. 
 
So YES you can help her. It is quite a simple process but it takes a long time to straighten a spine. As it was literally time , pressure and lack of direct activity that is collapsing it, and that process needs to be reversed. 
 
Are you on facebook. ?  https://www.facebook.com/Vibra-Train-27563358306
 
Come find me so I can put up some photos and explanations. 
 
Or email me  lloyd@vibra-train.com   or lloydshaw.vt@gmail.com
 
Franki from Georgia, US Posted On:2022-05-17 22:57:05

Lloyd Thanks for your reply and I appreciate you cleaning the invading Russian spam on this apolitical forum. My home based  excellent Whole Body VT device that I purchased in 2014 after you recommended it is the lineal DKN XG10 Pro. Serial 1406310028. Cordially. Franki

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-05-15 14:36:09

Frankie can help but need to know the type of machine you have. 

 
Franki from Georgia, USA Posted On:2022-05-15 10:26:23

Lloyd. I am one of your fans and I have a home based VT device that you recommended in 2014 and it has been providing me with health benefits. My lovely 94 yo mother and I share the same household and I take care of her. One health issue that our Health Care providers have not been able to assist with is her bent over posture which is due to weakened aging core muscles and not bone based. Is there a VT plan that you could recommend to assist with this. Cordially. Franki

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-05-14 11:31:40
And sorry folks for the spam. It is all coming from Russia. They seem to be randomly trying to shut down forums on any subject. Or maybe one of the thousands of comments or articles have key words they do not like.
 
And yes we tried to stop it before, and they still find a way through. 
 
I delete them every day, sometimes twice, so please keep posting questions, I will still answer.  
 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-05-13 22:02:00

Franki from Georgia, USA


What kind of machine do you have. Pivotal or Lineal. 

 
Franki from Georgia, USA Posted On:2022-05-13 04:59:39

Lloyd. I am one of your fans and I have a home based VT device that you recommended in 2014 and it has been providing me with health benefits. My lovely 94 yo mother and I share the same household and I take care of her. One health issue that our Health Care providers have not been able to assist with is her bent over posture which is due to weakened aging core muscles and not bone based. Is there a VT plan that you could recommend to assist with this. Cordially. Franki

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-05-03 18:56:51
Hello Franki

No problem. That machine is a Higher Speed Pivotal machine. Quite a decent unit.  Which can be used it two different ways. 

(a) Pure Vibration Therapy. Which will help with the kind of issues you would see a Physiotherapist for. 

(b) Used to work out on, with the aim of changing your body's composition. Fat VS Muscle VS Bone Vs Metabolism etc...  

Both are separate disciplines and should never be mixed up with one another. Or it could cause damage to the person using it, or show basically zero results. 

Eg....  If the person is standing on the machine lock-legged. Just rocking side to side, which is a balance therapy position. And they make it go faster thinking they will lose weight or something profound in that area, they are going to be disappointed. 

(1) The proprioceptive ( balance system in the body, muscle to brain communication ) will not happen because it has to be on a low Fq for that to take place. 

(2) Because you are taking no muscles to fatigue, it can not do any of the body composition actions people usually want. ( no matter what the scammer who sold it said ) I say that because that company was one of the hundreds not telling the whole truth about Vibration Training. They told people just standing on it is like an hour at the gym. Very dishonest but I wrote articles warning people. That is all you can do. 

Here is a program for anybody who has a Pivotal machine and wants to get the best out of it in a general " whole body workout " type goal. 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf
 
 
If the person wants to do therapy. I really need to know the exact issue they have. I can then tell them how to use it effectively and safely. 
 
Franki Posted On:2022-04-30 06:44:18

Lloyd. Greetings. My 53 yo nephew was recently gifted a Lily TRI FLEX WBVT device by a friend that had already been using it. Since I am one of your fans after I read both of your websites in their entirety in 2014 which led to my writing a 9 pages summary of them as I interpreted them for my reference and those around me then I purchased a home based WBVT device recommended by you, I proceeded to review your list of your favorites and your non favorites devices and since it was not there, I followed your link to inquire about it with you in here. Could you please make comments on this device at your convenience so I will be able to share them with my nephew. FYI, I am very happy with the one you recommended and I continue using for therapy purposes with beneficial outcomes. Franki from Georgia, US.

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-04-13 19:17:48
Hello Jane,
 
Yes good unit to use, just DO NOT turn it up. ( keep the fqs low and work on perfect form ) Or you could do more damage than good. 
 
So approx 5 hzs is good.
 
Follow the basic safety program I made up here for another company. ( link below )  And yes working out the whole body is needed. You need all the stem cells you can get to fix yourself. Which come from every long bone you have. 
 
Please message me back to confirm you understand NOT to turn the machine up. OK 
 
 
 
 
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf
 
Jane Yates Posted On:2022-04-13 09:57:09

Hi Lloyd,

I used to attend Vibratrain in both Pukekohe and Auckland city with you. I am now 62 and have cartilage and degeneration in both knees caused by various accidents over the years. Nothing to do with vibration training.  About 10 years ago I bought a Gravity HQ Revolution which has a pivotal plate I believe. I haven't used it for a long time as haven't been sure whether it will help or do more damage to my knees. Currently I cycle to strengthen my knees, but would also like to use this machine if it is safe and suitable. Can you advise me as if this machine can safely be used with my knee issues and if so what poses are and aren't safe.

Thanks

Jane

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-02-01 13:24:14

Kris...

Email me. I have a list the owners gave me. .. LuisMorXXXa

 
 
Kris Posted On:2022-01-29 14:46:37

Hi there, we bought the Evolution Gravity Vibration in New Zealand and we love it but unfortunately we are now having trouble with the belt inside the plate box.
It comes off all the time, even at low levels. Is there a New Zealand repair service at all or can this belt be replaced. Any information would be much appreciated. Many thanks  Kris

 

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2022-01-09 11:23:47

Katie....  Go for the Katie...

Go for a Gravity Revolution if you can. Serious bit of equipment. But PLEASE follow my advice on usage. 
 
The company itself is gone ( one of many who could not handle the many hurdles being successful in this industry ) But I do have a list of techs who fix them if anything goes wrong. 
 
Katie Posted On:2022-01-04 14:47:09

Hi, trying to find a second hand vibration trainer, I did vibra train years ago but it's not available in my location so wanting something for in my home. Do you know if the TZone Vibration Training machines are any good, or the crazy fit ones. I've found a couple of revolution hq gravity machines but up north so not sure I'd be able to get them to my location. Any advice appreciated. 

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2021-11-22 16:56:27

John... Try contacting this company to see if they are still selling ... producing. Owner is Martin.

 

John.. Try contacting this company to see if they are still selling / producing. Owner is Martin. Tell him Lloyd sent you.
 

http://www.bodyshaker.com/

 
If you want to follow my exact programs. That is a good solid steel Lineal machine. We have some here in N.Z. still working after 19 years. 
 
Get back to me if you get stuck. 
 
John Posted On:2021-11-18 03:19:55

Hi LLoyd, 

I am considering buying a proper Galileo machine, I live in Europe. It would cost some thousand Euros, but I think considering your workout guide, it might well be worth the price. Since good lineal machines are not available here, I share your distrust in Power Plate, at least a good pivotal machine is a fallback option. What do you think, unfortunately no proper vibration training studio available here, but I have read your guides and would try to follow them. 

Cheers

John

 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2021-11-08 19:36:09
Sam...

I will look myself online to see if there is anything decent available. The Power Plate units are definitely overpriced for what you get and the older Hypervibe machines were powerful, but the new units not so much. More light therapy. 

Will get back to you in a couple of days.  
 
Lloyd.R.Shaw Posted On:2021-11-08 19:16:00
Ravin

Sorry that company stop producing machines a while ago. But you can still pick them up occasionally online, and they can still be serviced. Still one the of the best Pivotal  machines ever made. 
 
Ravin Posted On:2021-10-30 19:34:25

Hi,

I was wondering if one can still get Gravity HQ Revolution vibration excercise machine in New Zealand and do they have after sales service.

Thanks for your help

 
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