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Gregor |
Posted On:2021-01-24 16:46:12
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Do you have an opinion on the LifePro rumblex 4d plus?I bought a percussion massage gun from them and find it to be of excellent quality. I would like something for general strength and mobility improvement.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-28 09:56:06
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Hello Christa...
It is a standard Low / Medium Speed Pivotal platform.
All those types of machines can give decent results but ONLY if following some really strict guidelines. And it will take longer times on the machine than the advertising they use to sell them 10 min = 1 hr Etc..... because the 10 min machines are huge and a lot different.
For basic body composition change ( weight loss / boost metabolism ) You HAVE to be able to do these 5 poses perfectly .
Basic squat
Kneeling push-up
Wide-stance squat ( or another squat if it is a bit small )
Tricep dip.
An abdominal position ( NOT a lot of them, they DO NOT BURN FAT )
Read this article below first, then come back and give me your precise goals. And I will give you advice that will not waste your time.
Hint....99% of the advice given with the machine is done by pretend experts who are just using the plate like they normally do their stuff on the floor. When in fact real VT is like nothing you have done before ...eg...NO MOVING.
No such thing as a bad machine.
Important Note: In regards to workouts and weightloss only.
This article is to help clear up the question we get the most from consumers on the forum " Is this a good machine " The simple answer to that question, no matter what brand we are discussing is YES. Every machine ever made is designed for a certain purpose, and as long as you clearly understand that purpose, you can not be disappointed or ripped off.
Bad people however do exist, and these are the 5 most likely ways they will try to mislead you .......
Lineal machines...
Not telling you the power ( high energy or lower energy ) of the machine plays an important part in how fast you may see results. The lower powered the unit, the longer your workout needs to become and the machines can in fact be so weak ( usually medical devices ) as to provide no workout at all, no matter how long you use it. They are designed for other purposes.
So the catch phrase "10 minute workout" you see being used in advertising may in fact not actually apply to all machines sold.
More power = Shorter workout
Less power = Longer workout
Some people don't mind paying to use a very large powerful machine because they are short on time, 10 mins is all they have. But other people may want to buy a machine to work out at home with, so something a bit lighter is fine. It does becomes a "20 min workout" to get the same results, but for someone not in a hurry that is not a problem
Pivotal machines....
Not telling you the speed of the machine makes all the difference in how fast you may see results. A machine going very slowly can in fact help without having to wind it up to high. And NO they do not replicate running. But the slow speeds are also used for medical issues like a balance problem ( usually about 6 hz ) . The faster the machine goes just gives you room for some variation later on down the line. But it is NOT a massive factor .....
The poses you "have" to do to lose weight or do a workout ........
This is one of the biggest problems we see. People being shown or told all you have to do is "just stand or lie down on the machine" or " wobble away the fat " to get results. The kind of people who tell you this do not care if you ever get results, because they already have your money. They were selling something else before Vibration Training came along, and they will move onto something else after they do their best make money off it ( but destroying it in the process ) .
Why would they promote such poses.....
Well marketers and dodgy salespeople came up with that idea, so they could target people who really want to believe putting in no effort will somehow equal results if science is involved. They will even lie to people trying to help themselves, which for someone like me who genuinely want to help people fight obesity, makes them scum of the earth. If you see anyone promoting these poses for weightloss, do not buy off them.
Without a proper program you are wasting your time and money.
Making up horror stories about Pivotal Vs Lineal.......
This is where a salesperson will simply try to get a sale by telling you someone else's machine will hurt you. Or use subtle derogatory terms to describe the "feeling" of another type of machine.
Eg... " Lineal feels like a jackhammer, its horrible " " Pivotal will hurt your knees or lower back " " I heard that brand got kicked out of a Doctors office" ( no proof of course )
We have heard it all before including this alarming statement " any other machine but ours will make your eyeballs explode" ( Power Plate 2007 ) An Australian company told everyone their competitions would kill you not jpoking.
People using these sales tactics should be treated with caution because the fact is all machines are safe if used properly. Both systems Pivotal and Lineal just feel completely different. Never listen to a salespersons stories or opinions, because unless they are selling multiple types of machines, they will always direct you away from trying other products before you buy.
Celebrities, Athletes and Gyms use this exact machine.........
This one is simple. You get what you pay for, if its cheap and light no-one serious is using it in any way. Let alone celebs that spend a fortune looking great. And no Gym is going to touch something that is too small or too weak to take their largest member. Just be realistic about what you want to pay, and what grade of machine you will get for that price. If it sounds to good to be true, it is.
So there you have it, 5 things to listen for, be skeptical about or ask when purchasing a machine, no matter how expensive or how cheap it is. Happy hunting.
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Christa |
Posted On:2020-12-27 18:35:27
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Hello. Id love to hear if you have any thoughts on the Lifepro Waver Vibration Plate.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-09 11:30:34
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Stephen |
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I have deleted your link because this forum is NOT for marketers.
If you have anything too ask or something educational to discuss. Then that is fine.
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Stephen |
Posted On:2020-12-08 18:50:55
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We have vibration machine for lymphatic function and weight loss.
If it can help you,its my pleasure.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-11 13:07:09
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Jen
Any low profile Pivotal machine will do.
Example...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vibration-Machine-Cardiotech-Lifeback-2-Full-Body-Muscle-Exercise-/223360738775
To get results you just need to be very disciplined and use the machine properly. Which we can help you with.
What studio have you been using to date ?
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Jen |
Posted On:2020-11-10 16:09:54
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I am new to vibration and am currently using machines at a studio. I am looking for a home unit, hopefully one that is more portable, as we are snowbirds that go from Canada to the USA for the winter. I am wanting a unit that we can easily take in our car. Are there any of the more portable types that you would recommend. I have lipedema and am looking for vibration for lymphatic function and for weight loss, thanks
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-10 06:42:08
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Sorry folks. Still a bit of spam hitting the site.
Please continue to ask questions and they will be answered and the spam deleted.
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Betty G |
Posted On:2020-09-09 05:05:20
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Going forward the information you have shared about this Company will help me understand any "future" problems or issues I may encounter with my Hypergravity Unit, especially, since I don t know the name of their Company now or even the phone number. I will certainly keep you updated on the type of breakdown I may experience especially since you took the time to reply to my Comment.
And, I really wish nothing but the "best" to come out of this WBV Industry once the "Greedy People" get on the right track.....Geezzz
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-09-08 16:42:43
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Betty G
If the machine you have is still running, then it is still a good basic machine.
The reason for the Blacklist was a trust issue.And it took some doing to get up there.
It came to light many of his machines were breaking down but he was spending considerable effort to keep that information from the community, which was a trust model and had increased his sales 700%.
I personally got him his first studio set up overseas, and units into N.Z. and Australia. They all caught on fire or cracked apart. ( not joking )
When I found out they were not just breaking down, but he was blaming the owners for obvious engineering flaws ( which is what Power Plate used to do ) I tried to help him, but got attacked instead. Just too much drama, insanity and dishonesty to deal with. Bit sad really. The U.S. needed an honest company that stood out from the rest to carry the flag for uis serious folk. ( more than a few issues with safety and programs needed sorting, but we never got that far )
I have since had many reports of people who had breakdowns and never got a reply back., email or phone. So have no idea what the story is now.
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Betty G |
Posted On:2020-09-08 10:18:02
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I purchased a Hypergravity Unit called the Olympic Professional back in 2008 which was one of your recommendations at that time....however, I am back doing research and noticed their name is now on the Blacklist. I know the Company was sold and wondering if that is the reason you have them now Blacklisted. Anyway, I would like to get your expert opinion again on this unit....any help would be much appreciated. Also, I have not been on the website since then and have found you are still remaining to be true to not only yourself but to all of us that give a hoot...thank you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-08-15 10:24:29
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Natasha, what country are you in. Send mean email , the old company owners sent me a list of electricians who service them. lloyd@vibra-train.com
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Natasha |
Posted On:2020-08-13 15:59:39
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Hi there,
I purchased a Gravity HQ machine which was wonderful but 2 days after I got it the plate stopped moving like the machine is working but no vibration. Would you know what this could be or is there any company around that I could get to look at it
appreciate any suggestions
Thank you
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-08-08 09:13:08
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We have tried a few captca systems. It stops them for a few days. Then bots get past them.
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VibePlus Di |
Posted On:2020-08-08 03:04:10
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It's sad to see this forum taken over by rubbish posts. I'm sure people still have real questions about Vibration Training and Therapy. Is there no way this can be fixed or a different forum set up
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Lloyd R Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-20 09:43:43
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Dave z Yes the machine will do. We just have to design a scaling program that slowly gets you out of your limitations.
What positions do you know you can not do, and why. ( eg Push-up ... mobility issues, )
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Dave z |
Posted On:2020-06-18 05:25:24
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Thank you Lloyd,
I have read through both links you provided. I know that currently there would be no way I could do the majority of the exercises posted.
I am 56 and 5 11 and around 325, the knees are just plain worn out. The doctors told me they are suprised I can walk as well as I do. I have a few other health issues but most of those I believe would come along wih more movement and weigh loss. I no longer take a diabetes medication as I have lost enough weight for it to get under control.
I am not sure if the machine I mentioned would work for me or not, I looked at some cheaper ones and I am close to or over the weight cap on them, the PP2 is 400 so Ifigured it would be a better choice. Unfortunately I can not afford the better 3K plus machines.
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Lloyd R Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-17 15:54:15
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So after reading that, carefully read the instructions and download the poster so you can see what a good solid Pivotal Workout looks like, and we will also be adding stuff in for any Physio you need doing.
You of course are looking at the Pivotal section.
Please do not start anything before we discuss things further.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-17 15:47:26
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Dave z ... The machine is not bad, it is a Medium Speed Pivotal , so $700 is a good price , just unfortunately sold with very dishonest, incompetent marketing and instructions simply not precise enough for someone like yourself. With your injury and goals in mind.
Eg...They are still promoting just standing on the machine turning up the speed is like going for a run or power walk. Which is complete rubbish. They also promote moving on the machine while it is going, which is very dangerous.
Please note: Vibration Training is almost purely Anaerobic NOT Aerobic. In other words it is def not a cardio machine. Which is a good thing because a cardio machine will not do enough to get you the results you want.
I will help you through all of that, but before we go further please read this. So we are both on the same page.....
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Dave z |
Posted On:2020-06-17 13:24:44
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Hello,
There is a Euro Body Shaper PP for sale near me for 700 dollars. I have bad knees and am still to overweight to have knee surgery. Still need to drop another 50 to 60 pounds. I see these machines are to be good for circulations, lymph system which I have issues with also, weight loss and have een read they are good for cardio. Sounds like a miracle machine.
Any idea on the quality of the Euro Body shaper PP2 the 700 is more than I should spend but if it will help me I would do it.
thank you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-01-08 10:13:26
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Sorry folks. Still lots of spam hitting the site every day.
Please continue to ask questions and they will be answered and the spam deleted.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-12-17 17:20:15
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Your answer is here... http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews
What is it ( I already know, just testing you )
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Ciaobella |
Posted On:2019-12-17 12:42:04
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Thank you so much for your advice, have had a look at the site how do I now if my machine is pivotal or linear
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-12-16 17:59:42
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Ciaobella
Best to follow the instructions on this site for Pivotal Program
Keep the speed on its lowest settings until you have mastered the workout poses for 60 seconds. Then take it up one notch and repeat the process.
Only ever turn up the speeds for massage.No matter what you read or hear from other companies. Lots fell into a Fqs War trap and failed everybody.
And yes if done properly it will take years to get up to any kind of speed.
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Ciaobella |
Posted On:2019-12-16 14:19:20
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Hi wondering if you can help. I have just purchased secondhand a Gravity HQ machine but it had no user manual and I am not sure how to get the best out of this machine. I have a back injury and want to use if for toning, circulation, strenght etc. Can you suggest where I might get more info, what speed to use etc. This is a great forum thanks for your time.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-11-26 13:22:35
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The REAL full Advanced TRUE Vibration Training Program
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-10-05 17:51:35
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Marilyn...
Important note: Disregard ALL info seen on T.V. or shopping malls. Or even half the info sold with these machines. To say this industry is full of dodgy companies and characters would be a massive understatement. The programs attached are usually stolen from another company, as clueless as they are. Funny, not funny.
The good news, most machines are very useful with the right information.
DO NOT USE IF ; Pregnant, Active Cancer, Active infection, recent injury or surgery that may bleed. DVT ( where you have a clot waiting to shift or be broken up )
Here are the basic ways these machines should be used for safe results …
Please note: There are no special poses for particular conditions. Pivotal is sometimes preferable to Lineal for certain aims, Lineal for others.
And there are quite obvious safer poses based on peoples mobility or other limitations. Common sense and safety should always prevail over risking behavior.
Basic category of poses / programs are ....
Re-training / Physio = All the kind of results you would expect doing physio exercises normally + some hyper-circulation as an added bonus.
Training = Any position where you are taking a muscle group to fatigue. The duration, angles in the poses and the forces involved will help activate muscle quality change, bone density, body fat % reduction etc.... These poses will be hard to hold for any more than 60 seconds if you are doing it properly.
Note: Do not expect any of the Physio poses to do these tasks. No matter how much you wish the easy stuff will change your metabolism, body composition or body shape. That is just not possible.
Eg....If anyone has told you just standing on a machine just shaking around will cause body fat % loss they lied to you. Plain and simple.
Pure Physio / Therapy
(1) Just sitting in front of the machine in a chair with your feet on the platform, a little apart in a comfortable, natural position.
Machine on lowest speed, running for 10 minutes, hands holding onto your knees.
Time: 10 minutes twice day.
This improves circulation throughout the body and is a safe position for everyone, including people with serious circulation problems. It can relieve pain in joints, including shoulder/upper body as the hands on knees position transfers vibration gently to the upper body as well as feet on platform transfers to the lower body. Helps with relaxation and sleep.
(2) Just standing upright on the machine, on its lowest speed in Pivotal mode. Best use is for balance and circulation. You can stand completely upright or with relaxed knees, slight squat, which feels more comfortable for many people.
MUST - Hold onto a solid chair or handle bar if needed.
Begin Training ......
(3) Squat: Using a strong towel rail on the little platform or the handle bars on the larger unit. Set the machine to run for 10 minutes, lowest speed. Pivotal.
Start standing for a few minutes then go down into a semi-squat until you feel a burning sensation in your quads/top front of legs.
Slowly stand back up into the physio / rest position (straight upright or relaxed knees, both are equal) until you feel rested, then repeat this pattern for the 10 minutes.
Standing whole body workout / Balance / Pivotal mode.
A more serious variation of this if you have good balance is to put your hands on your knees while in the squat position and bend your elbows. ( looks like you are having a rest after a run )
This position will move your legs and arm muscles simultaneously. When it gets too hard stand upright for a rest, then repeat that cycle until the 10 minutes is up. All movement needs to be slow and careful.
Advancing training .....
(4) Full Segmental Vibration Training Program. Of course modifying it depending on the size of your machine. But there are two basic programs, one for Pivotal, one for Lineal. Please do not mix them up.
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Marilyn |
Posted On:2019-10-05 09:14:42
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Thank you for your response. To be clear, the VBX 4,000 representative represented the machine in a dishonest manner. Saying it was a medical machine unlike others.
I did look at your blacklist, but the Euro Body ShaPer was not there. I did not realize it’s connection to Vibra-Slim or Europlate. I do have buyers remorse. Hopefully the Euro Body Shaper PP2 and the Euro Power Board (I have both) will help with our health issues. That was the purpose of our purchase.
The health issues I referenced are for different people. Each and everyone have no problems with mobility. I personally wanted a machine to help build bone (osteoporosis) and I am functioning with Rheumatoid arthritis. My feet and legs are quite well. My elbows and hands have deformity. Another person has fibromyalgia and it hinders them in productivity, but they are functional. Another with Lupus...affecting the skin. They are very functional. Another with high blood pressure...very active individual. Another with cerebral palsy...very mobile, but has balance issues and some slight speech issues. He is 7 and I’d like to know what is helpful and advisable for him. Another is a 77, very active man that has put on belly weight ( he was very slim all his life) and he has recently also experienced osteoarthritis in his knees. He wants to lose weight and help with his knees. Lastly, a person with lower back pain...he gets relieve with stretching.
Thank you for any help you can offer.
Marilyn
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-10-04 13:38:09
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Valerie
As a mortician, tell your husband the clot was formed by the HRT and you NOT being on disprin ( or something similar ) and any kind of movement was going to shift it eventually. And yes it could have been the machine that did it. ( an active clot is a well known contraindication to using any kind of machine )
But the reality is people either feel a clot ( by it hurting and throbbing so badly you can not sleep ) in which case you have a chance to catch it. But a lot of people simply never feel them.
And in that case the sooner it was shifted, the better. As if it shifted later and was bigger, you probably would not be typing right now.
Note : For most people it happens getting out of a car, or up off the chair from watching TV, or getting up off the toilet. And it has all been happening long before VT was even invented.
And another fact.... The kind of Pivotal machine you are using was invented and is used for stroke recovery. After hundreds of studies over a couple of decades it is deemed safer than walking or stair climbing.( once the clot is gone of course )
There are loads of studies going back years on the topic. But some are a bit hard to follow because academics have used some pretty random machines in the research. But even though that is the case, NOT ONE study to date showed there was any kind of danger in using a platform and every single one passed the ethics tests.
Follow Di Heaps advice on how to use it. And STAY on the blood thinners so you never have that issue again.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-10-04 13:28:21
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I would have little reason to doubt the VBX 4000 has a Medical Device category of some kind ( there are a few categories ) . Probably like the Power Plate. Which just means it is electrically sound enough to be used in a clinical setting.It just sounds fancy. 99% of units on the market could get one if they tested for it.
The people that sell the Euro Body Shaker ( formally VibraSlim ) may have been in business for a while, but during that time they changed names due to terrible reviews. And being caught selling machines with fake specifications. Multiple reports of machines breaking. And promoted the idea that just standing on the machine shaking side to side would cause weight loss, which is highly dishonest and targeted directly at desperate people .
None of the above was needed to sell machines. Plenty of other companies just told the truth. And the real funny thing was, was when they relaunched under the new brand, they had the cheek to warn people about companies selling machines using the tricks they had used. They have zero shame.
As far as I know they just changed names one day, purchased another machine from China, and put the word Euro on it to fool consumers. And left everyone else who had purchased a Vibra-Slim with no-one to contact.
All these sites just disappeared
Canada: www.vibraslim.ca
Europe: www.vibraslim.eu
So lets hope all goes well for you and nothing goes wrong. Fingers crossed.
As far as your conditions are concerned. I really need a lot more info on your particular issues and current mobility to even begin offering decent advice. But for most of it, there are only safer therapy poses or full on workout poses ( for weight loss to be done )
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