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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-02-07 20:54:04
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Jeff..
It is an ok machine. But as far as I know it still only has one motor so it is not very powerful. And it never will be as that design loses too much power in unwanted randomly directed vibrational forces. The isolation system can not fix that issue.
You will sometimes read because it only sits at 35hz it is not that good. But actually that is fine.
Sorry, overpriced and underpowered in my opinion..
What we call a lower energy Lineal / 3D . Ok for light therapy, but not strong enough for training and certainly you would need to be VERY light to stand on it without cancelling out all the motors upward force.
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Jeff |
Posted On:2021-02-07 12:54:07
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What do you have to say about Power Plate my3
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-02-04 18:40:11
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A good piece of equipment. I know an academic who was involved with it back at the very beginning.John Weatherly Only had good things to say about it.
Very much a cross training device rather than pure vibration training though so not my speciality.
But having said that, I can say the risk assessment ( safety aspect would be very high long term ) and it will bring about peak heart rate much faster than traditional cardio. And make sure you buy the model with the climbing action.
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Suu |
Posted On:2021-02-04 02:01:21
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Hi
Is Versa ExerVibe Climber good for vibration and lose weight
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2021-01-25 23:18:09
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Gregor
Just the option of lateral and spiral movement in the vibration sets alarms bells off for me It shows me they really do not understand how pure the movement must be to stay as safe as theoretically as possible ( I always judge on the idea you may use it for decades )
The fact is any movement of the plate not working directly against gravity, is NOT Vibration Training. And unfortunately for some reason it seems they have taken a standard Pivotal Platform, and destabilized it thinking that is automatically a good thing. But in my opinion it is not.
I will explain why....
Consider this. It is good to destabilize you, by pushing you sideways ( pivotal ) so you are forced to not fall over. But the standard "push" is by lifting one leg up higher, while the other drops lower. So it is your total body mass that is moved and you work against that. That replicates quite a few things in nature.
But having the plate spiral under your feet quickly, or slide side to side very quickly, replicates nothing in nature (.It is like being tackled around your feet.) It is why our joints do not work like that. Maybe in small doses it may not cause issues, but over a long time ??? And I see zero benefits, as you are not even working against gravity, which only pulls straight down last time I checked.
Note: Lineal is both feet going straight up at the same time. So like doing a little jump.We definitely designed for that.
Eg..... Stand in a conveyor belt VS Standing in a lift going up.
Go try that out. See what you FEEL.
Quite simply all that random vibration is a form of vibration therapy, but without knowing a bunch of factors, I would not swear it is safe.
FYI.... Take a look at this video at the 9.00 min mark... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXf11GbSVRE
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Gregor |
Posted On:2021-01-24 16:46:12
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Do you have an opinion on the LifePro rumblex 4d plus?I bought a percussion massage gun from them and find it to be of excellent quality. I would like something for general strength and mobility improvement.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-28 09:56:06
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Hello Christa...
It is a standard Low / Medium Speed Pivotal platform.
All those types of machines can give decent results but ONLY if following some really strict guidelines. And it will take longer times on the machine than the advertising they use to sell them 10 min = 1 hr Etc..... because the 10 min machines are huge and a lot different.
For basic body composition change ( weight loss / boost metabolism ) You HAVE to be able to do these 5 poses perfectly .
Basic squat
Kneeling push-up
Wide-stance squat ( or another squat if it is a bit small )
Tricep dip.
An abdominal position ( NOT a lot of them, they DO NOT BURN FAT )
Read this article below first, then come back and give me your precise goals. And I will give you advice that will not waste your time.
Hint....99% of the advice given with the machine is done by pretend experts who are just using the plate like they normally do their stuff on the floor. When in fact real VT is like nothing you have done before ...eg...NO MOVING.
No such thing as a bad machine.
Important Note: In regards to workouts and weightloss only.
This article is to help clear up the question we get the most from consumers on the forum " Is this a good machine " The simple answer to that question, no matter what brand we are discussing is YES. Every machine ever made is designed for a certain purpose, and as long as you clearly understand that purpose, you can not be disappointed or ripped off.
Bad people however do exist, and these are the 5 most likely ways they will try to mislead you .......
Lineal machines...
Not telling you the power ( high energy or lower energy ) of the machine plays an important part in how fast you may see results. The lower powered the unit, the longer your workout needs to become and the machines can in fact be so weak ( usually medical devices ) as to provide no workout at all, no matter how long you use it. They are designed for other purposes.
So the catch phrase "10 minute workout" you see being used in advertising may in fact not actually apply to all machines sold.
More power = Shorter workout
Less power = Longer workout
Some people don't mind paying to use a very large powerful machine because they are short on time, 10 mins is all they have. But other people may want to buy a machine to work out at home with, so something a bit lighter is fine. It does becomes a "20 min workout" to get the same results, but for someone not in a hurry that is not a problem
Pivotal machines....
Not telling you the speed of the machine makes all the difference in how fast you may see results. A machine going very slowly can in fact help without having to wind it up to high. And NO they do not replicate running. But the slow speeds are also used for medical issues like a balance problem ( usually about 6 hz ) . The faster the machine goes just gives you room for some variation later on down the line. But it is NOT a massive factor .....
The poses you "have" to do to lose weight or do a workout ........
This is one of the biggest problems we see. People being shown or told all you have to do is "just stand or lie down on the machine" or " wobble away the fat " to get results. The kind of people who tell you this do not care if you ever get results, because they already have your money. They were selling something else before Vibration Training came along, and they will move onto something else after they do their best make money off it ( but destroying it in the process ) .
Why would they promote such poses.....
Well marketers and dodgy salespeople came up with that idea, so they could target people who really want to believe putting in no effort will somehow equal results if science is involved. They will even lie to people trying to help themselves, which for someone like me who genuinely want to help people fight obesity, makes them scum of the earth. If you see anyone promoting these poses for weightloss, do not buy off them.
Without a proper program you are wasting your time and money.
Making up horror stories about Pivotal Vs Lineal.......
This is where a salesperson will simply try to get a sale by telling you someone else's machine will hurt you. Or use subtle derogatory terms to describe the "feeling" of another type of machine.
Eg... " Lineal feels like a jackhammer, its horrible " " Pivotal will hurt your knees or lower back " " I heard that brand got kicked out of a Doctors office" ( no proof of course )
We have heard it all before including this alarming statement " any other machine but ours will make your eyeballs explode" ( Power Plate 2007 ) An Australian company told everyone their competitions would kill you not jpoking.
People using these sales tactics should be treated with caution because the fact is all machines are safe if used properly. Both systems Pivotal and Lineal just feel completely different. Never listen to a salespersons stories or opinions, because unless they are selling multiple types of machines, they will always direct you away from trying other products before you buy.
Celebrities, Athletes and Gyms use this exact machine.........
This one is simple. You get what you pay for, if its cheap and light no-one serious is using it in any way. Let alone celebs that spend a fortune looking great. And no Gym is going to touch something that is too small or too weak to take their largest member. Just be realistic about what you want to pay, and what grade of machine you will get for that price. If it sounds to good to be true, it is.
So there you have it, 5 things to listen for, be skeptical about or ask when purchasing a machine, no matter how expensive or how cheap it is. Happy hunting.
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Christa |
Posted On:2020-12-27 18:35:27
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Hello. Id love to hear if you have any thoughts on the Lifepro Waver Vibration Plate.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-12-09 11:30:34
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Stephen |
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I have deleted your link because this forum is NOT for marketers.
If you have anything too ask or something educational to discuss. Then that is fine.
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Stephen |
Posted On:2020-12-08 18:50:55
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We have vibration machine for lymphatic function and weight loss.
If it can help you,its my pleasure.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-11 13:07:09
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Jen
Any low profile Pivotal machine will do.
Example...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vibration-Machine-Cardiotech-Lifeback-2-Full-Body-Muscle-Exercise-/223360738775
To get results you just need to be very disciplined and use the machine properly. Which we can help you with.
What studio have you been using to date ?
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Jen |
Posted On:2020-11-10 16:09:54
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I am new to vibration and am currently using machines at a studio. I am looking for a home unit, hopefully one that is more portable, as we are snowbirds that go from Canada to the USA for the winter. I am wanting a unit that we can easily take in our car. Are there any of the more portable types that you would recommend. I have lipedema and am looking for vibration for lymphatic function and for weight loss, thanks
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-11-10 06:42:08
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Sorry folks. Still a bit of spam hitting the site.
Please continue to ask questions and they will be answered and the spam deleted.
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Betty G |
Posted On:2020-09-09 05:05:20
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Going forward the information you have shared about this Company will help me understand any "future" problems or issues I may encounter with my Hypergravity Unit, especially, since I don t know the name of their Company now or even the phone number. I will certainly keep you updated on the type of breakdown I may experience especially since you took the time to reply to my Comment.
And, I really wish nothing but the "best" to come out of this WBV Industry once the "Greedy People" get on the right track.....Geezzz
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-09-08 16:42:43
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Betty G
If the machine you have is still running, then it is still a good basic machine.
The reason for the Blacklist was a trust issue.And it took some doing to get up there.
It came to light many of his machines were breaking down but he was spending considerable effort to keep that information from the community, which was a trust model and had increased his sales 700%.
I personally got him his first studio set up overseas, and units into N.Z. and Australia. They all caught on fire or cracked apart. ( not joking )
When I found out they were not just breaking down, but he was blaming the owners for obvious engineering flaws ( which is what Power Plate used to do ) I tried to help him, but got attacked instead. Just too much drama, insanity and dishonesty to deal with. Bit sad really. The U.S. needed an honest company that stood out from the rest to carry the flag for uis serious folk. ( more than a few issues with safety and programs needed sorting, but we never got that far )
I have since had many reports of people who had breakdowns and never got a reply back., email or phone. So have no idea what the story is now.
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Betty G |
Posted On:2020-09-08 10:18:02
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I purchased a Hypergravity Unit called the Olympic Professional back in 2008 which was one of your recommendations at that time....however, I am back doing research and noticed their name is now on the Blacklist. I know the Company was sold and wondering if that is the reason you have them now Blacklisted. Anyway, I would like to get your expert opinion again on this unit....any help would be much appreciated. Also, I have not been on the website since then and have found you are still remaining to be true to not only yourself but to all of us that give a hoot...thank you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-08-15 10:24:29
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Natasha, what country are you in. Send mean email , the old company owners sent me a list of electricians who service them. lloyd@vibra-train.com
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Natasha |
Posted On:2020-08-13 15:59:39
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Hi there,
I purchased a Gravity HQ machine which was wonderful but 2 days after I got it the plate stopped moving like the machine is working but no vibration. Would you know what this could be or is there any company around that I could get to look at it
appreciate any suggestions
Thank you
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-08-08 09:13:08
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We have tried a few captca systems. It stops them for a few days. Then bots get past them.
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VibePlus Di |
Posted On:2020-08-08 03:04:10
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It's sad to see this forum taken over by rubbish posts. I'm sure people still have real questions about Vibration Training and Therapy. Is there no way this can be fixed or a different forum set up
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Lloyd R Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-20 09:43:43
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Dave z Yes the machine will do. We just have to design a scaling program that slowly gets you out of your limitations.
What positions do you know you can not do, and why. ( eg Push-up ... mobility issues, )
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Dave z |
Posted On:2020-06-18 05:25:24
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Thank you Lloyd,
I have read through both links you provided. I know that currently there would be no way I could do the majority of the exercises posted.
I am 56 and 5 11 and around 325, the knees are just plain worn out. The doctors told me they are suprised I can walk as well as I do. I have a few other health issues but most of those I believe would come along wih more movement and weigh loss. I no longer take a diabetes medication as I have lost enough weight for it to get under control.
I am not sure if the machine I mentioned would work for me or not, I looked at some cheaper ones and I am close to or over the weight cap on them, the PP2 is 400 so Ifigured it would be a better choice. Unfortunately I can not afford the better 3K plus machines.
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Lloyd R Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-17 15:54:15
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So after reading that, carefully read the instructions and download the poster so you can see what a good solid Pivotal Workout looks like, and we will also be adding stuff in for any Physio you need doing.
You of course are looking at the Pivotal section.
Please do not start anything before we discuss things further.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-06-17 15:47:26
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Dave z ... The machine is not bad, it is a Medium Speed Pivotal , so $700 is a good price , just unfortunately sold with very dishonest, incompetent marketing and instructions simply not precise enough for someone like yourself. With your injury and goals in mind.
Eg...They are still promoting just standing on the machine turning up the speed is like going for a run or power walk. Which is complete rubbish. They also promote moving on the machine while it is going, which is very dangerous.
Please note: Vibration Training is almost purely Anaerobic NOT Aerobic. In other words it is def not a cardio machine. Which is a good thing because a cardio machine will not do enough to get you the results you want.
I will help you through all of that, but before we go further please read this. So we are both on the same page.....
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Dave z |
Posted On:2020-06-17 13:24:44
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Hello,
There is a Euro Body Shaper PP for sale near me for 700 dollars. I have bad knees and am still to overweight to have knee surgery. Still need to drop another 50 to 60 pounds. I see these machines are to be good for circulations, lymph system which I have issues with also, weight loss and have een read they are good for cardio. Sounds like a miracle machine.
Any idea on the quality of the Euro Body shaper PP2 the 700 is more than I should spend but if it will help me I would do it.
thank you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2020-01-08 10:13:26
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Sorry folks. Still lots of spam hitting the site every day.
Please continue to ask questions and they will be answered and the spam deleted.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-12-17 17:20:15
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Your answer is here... http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews
What is it ( I already know, just testing you )
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Ciaobella |
Posted On:2019-12-17 12:42:04
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Thank you so much for your advice, have had a look at the site how do I now if my machine is pivotal or linear
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2019-12-16 17:59:42
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Ciaobella
Best to follow the instructions on this site for Pivotal Program
Keep the speed on its lowest settings until you have mastered the workout poses for 60 seconds. Then take it up one notch and repeat the process.
Only ever turn up the speeds for massage.No matter what you read or hear from other companies. Lots fell into a Fqs War trap and failed everybody.
And yes if done properly it will take years to get up to any kind of speed.
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Ciaobella |
Posted On:2019-12-16 14:19:20
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Hi wondering if you can help. I have just purchased secondhand a Gravity HQ machine but it had no user manual and I am not sure how to get the best out of this machine. I have a back injury and want to use if for toning, circulation, strenght etc. Can you suggest where I might get more info, what speed to use etc. This is a great forum thanks for your time.
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