Hi,

Whats your take on the Vibacore 3000 and Vibacore 5000. Ive been told they are similar to the powerplate my5 and my7. Thoughts

are these good quality machines, in comparison to something like the hypervibe

Hi Dean,

Would a pivotal machine like the Hypervibe be useful in rehabilitation compared to a lineal. Would a safety program be like the ones Lloyd has posted

Lloyd. I read up a little more on pivotal vs lineal, and the general idea I am getting is that lineal is better for strength training or workouts, and pivotal is more suited for therapeutic purposes. You equated a premium speed pivotal to a medium energy lineal, so could I make the assumption premium speed pivotals do have some use for workout or strength traning, but ultimately high energy lineals will take you the extra step over

For home use, I am assuming high energy lineals would be out of my price range, but a premium speed pivotal such as the hypervibe would be a decent choice, to achieve a decent workout strength training program

Jonathan

Regarding your question about vibration exercises after total achilies tendon rupture.
We use lineal vibration as part of rehabilitation six weeks after surgery, but that is suitable only with physio skilful in vibration therapy. If you are going to use it by yourself, the safest way is to wait 12 weeks to be sure healing of the tendon is finished, and then go to vibration exercise. Than you can start right on to a safety program. It will reduce any residual swelling and thickness, as well as promote flexibility.  

Lloyd
Perhaps it would be a good idea to have part of this web site dedicated to usage of vibration stimuli in medicine. I think we can help my colleagues with practical advices in particular disorders, injuries, and postoperative recovery. The idea is to share experience, describe specific cases, and details in applying vibration to a patient.   

 

Need help we have Several Wave Vibration Plates the company has apparently gone out of business. We are having touch screen issues they cannot be repaired and we have no way to get new ones. Any ideas These are expensive high end machines that we cannot just throw away.

Hi Lloyd,

I am in Canada. 

So if I am understanding you right, you are saying that a premium speed pivotal is pretty much equivalent to a medium energy lineal. 

I am currently looking at the Hypervibe, and around that price range. Would you recommend the Hypervibe, and are there any cons to this unit that you know of or can forsee.

Is there anything else you would recommend looking at in the under 5000 dollar range.

Lastly, I was curious about the use of WBV for rehabilitation. For example, if one were to recover from a achilles tendon rupture, would WBV facilitate the recovery process, or would it be contraindicated. What kind of exercises would you recommend.

Hi,

I am looking into getting an affordable WBV machine for home use. Some questions that I have not been able to find the answer for looking through your articles are...

1. What are the pros and cons of pivotal and lineal units. I understand they are different, but what benefits could I expect from each.

2. What do you recommend for lineal units... ie. best price and performance

3. What do you recommend for pivotal units... 

... in your Machine Reviews section, I cannot tell what some of the units are, as you simply only have the pictures and no names. Any thoughts on the hypervibe unit compared to the cardiotech CV9. From all I have read about, the Hypervibe seems the most affordable, but perhaps there is another unit I am not aware of. 

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About a year ago, I purchased a WBV machine from the Wave, out of Canada.  It was very noisy, so we moved it  to the garage.  As a result, we didnt use it for a few months.  We decided we should get back into trying it again, plugged it in, turned it on, and it didnt work.  Tried to contact the Wave people and it looks like they closed up.  Now we dont know how to get this expensive machine thats hardly been used fixed.    Any suggestions.

Even researchers will say the quality of research is poor.  Dr. Greg Haff, who I have met, recently said on social media that he is now officially a citizen of Australia which means he will be able to get some quality research done.  Dr. Haff is from the US and went to Edith Cowan University in Australia to be a professor instead of stay in the US.  So, Dr. Haff sure must not think much of a lot of exercise research at universities in the US.

John T. Weatherly

Lloyd, you left out half of the press release.

Vibrogym has appointed both  Guus Van der Meer and also Jelte Tempelaars to it’s top management. The press release says, they will be working alongside their original marketing team, Entice Communications, who helped drive the profile of Power Plate International over the last 9 years. The release says their enthusiasm and expertise will take Vibrogym to the next level.

We all know what the “next level” was for Powerplate - administration, that it hasn’t crawled out of.  Can I say  “gone” , “finished” , “leaving customers with no hope of support or service for machines”.

The level for Vibrogym ..... will be interesting to watch.

I have recently noticed several articles that have been critical of research, the current state of the"peer review" process,  and the conclusions reached from research studies.  One pointed out, and this is almost always true in exercise studies  which usually have a few subjects instead of hundreds or thousands, that statistical power is always low with a small number of subjects.  Another, from Stanford Medicine, reported how many scientists now do not seem to be able to argue effectively and this is needed for critical thinking.  You look at the vibration research and it just makes you want to either laugh or cry.  Studies have been published on vibration in "peer reviewed journals" that did not test the vibration equipment to see if it operated properly with loads before doing the studies and publishing the results, studies have been "funded" at universities by companies like Power Plate etc.  Power Plate had a fake Medical and Scientific Advisory Board, a fake Power Plate Research Center at a university that Dr. Jeff McBride told me on the phone existed because Power Plate "gave us some money," and meta analyses may have been published in "research journals" which combined the results of numerous vibration studies without checking to see if the studies included in the meta analyses tested the equipment for reliability under loaded conditions etc.  And these are supposed to be "researchers" at "universities."  We need to toss all these invalid studies out and start over.

John T. Weatherly

I received one of my degrees at Iowa State and it is a good school.  This is unfortunately typical of the field of exercise or sports "science."  Resistance training programs can be designed for competitive weightlifting, powerlifting, bodybuilding, a specific sport or posiition within a sport, for general fitness, etc.  Many studies are done on recreationally resistance trained college students which really tells you very little or nothing about training athletes for a specific sport etc or other populations such as the obese or elderly. These studies are specific to the subject population and need to be carefully interpreted before making recommendations for others who deviate from this population.  The same is true of vibration studies using different platforms etc. and the fact that many studies were published in "peer reviewed" journals that did not even test platforms to see if they operated with reliability under loaded conditions before doing the studies and publishing them shows you how poor some of the "research" is.  And when you have equipment companies funding research on their own equipment, it is hard to see how anybody with an IQ above room temperature would accept the results without some serious questioning and full disclosure on research publications in "peer reviewed research journals."  I have heard the saying "common sense is not so common anymore" and it certainly seems to apply in intances such as these.

John T. Weatherly

They are both basically Therapy Machines with some Training values if used properly.

You need to ask specific questions about their use for your purpose.  It depends what your goals are.

Check out this article: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/therapy-poses-training-poses-whats-the-difference

Please comment on whether the VibraTrim vt400 a good machine.  This company also makes a machine called Vibacore 1000.  Is either of these a good choice.