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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-12 09:53:30
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NancyG....
Will cover a wider area of muscle and bone. Far superior to a a treadmill.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-01-12 06:45:30
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Thank you, Lloyd. Helpful answers. I will use the info you have provided to help me make a decision. I have pretty good intuition about people as well.
My husband suggested I Google Fitness Expo which I did. A large one is being held next week in Los Angeles. Good timing. Will try to go.
Not sure if this is a fair question, but trying to cover all the bases. If I could have only one piece of exercise equipment in my home, would I be better off getting a good treadmill or a WBV machine if I want to build or preserve bone and muscle. From what I have learned here, it seems that I could get the same benefits, except perhaps cardio, in a shorter time using WBV.
Again, thanks.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-11 17:11:48
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NancyG...
DKN is a good brand, and they have a good reputation to date. And the XG 10 is a decent Medium Energy Lineal unit.
Repairs..... You just really need to get an onsite repair warranty from the company. And make sure the person giving it to you has a name. So you can name and shame them if they clown around.
Personal accountability tends to be a powerful motivator when it comes to people "doing the right thing".
Trade Shows.... Sorry no idea
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-01-11 05:18:14
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Thank you, Lloyd. I definitely will try them before buying. Do you or anyone here recommend the DKN XG10? It is also available if I decide to go with linear.
In addition to choosing the right machine, my concern is finding reputable service and repair people. If the machine breaks down or has problems, I cannot conceive (at age 73) of disassembling and packing it up to send it back to the manufacturer. If it can't be repaired on site, I'm afraid it will become an albatross in the bedroom of our small home.
Do any of you know of a sports or fitness expo coming up in Los Angeles, Las Vegas or San Francisco where I could go to talk to reps, and see/try out different machines on your Favorites list? Thanks.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-10 16:57:48
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NancyG
Make sure you try out any unit you intend to buy. And note Pivotal and Lineal feel completely different
So far both Wave and HyperVibe have turned out to be decent brands. So going with either is a good move.
HyperGravity .... Simple. Do not trust them. They claimed to be hands on and reliable etc... the whole time they were hiding lots of consumer issues.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-01-10 11:04:27
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I've read the forum posts from beginning to end, along with other pages on this site. I've learned that researching vibration training is like walking into a mine field. So glad to find honest, objective people here who are willing to help the novice like myself avoid stepping on one. Thank you!
I live in the US in California and want a machine for home use. Mostly for me, but my husband (200 lbs) may also want to use it. I am 73, reasonably fit and in good health, small boned, a good, stable weight, and mostly concerned about bone density, muscle tone and general fitness as I age. Not into gym memberships or workouts or serious athletic training.
The Hypervibe Performance and Wave Contour Plus look good, depending on which platform I prefer. I can test out the Wave at a local gym; haven't found a local Hypervibe to try yet. Do you have suggestions for other machines I should try?
Is the Hypergravity still not recommended? They promote themselves as a small, hands on, quality CA business, but they must have a checkered past as they are on your Blacklist.
I don't mind spending the money for a good machine, but I don't want the company out of business or unavailable when I need them.
Thank you for your time and any suggestions before I make a decision.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-02 17:24:30
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Letter sent by me to IPONZ. Regarding this lazy assed marketer trying to get "Vibe Express" trademarked.
Please note: I would have some respect if the lack of effort and originality was not so bloody obvious. This person is not only lazy, but seriously slow off the mark ( like most marketers I have meet ). Getting on board the industry years after all the hard work was done. How many times have we seen marketers just mix up previously existing company names, simply because they lack a large enough brain to make up something decent on their own.
To whom it may concern,
I would like to state for the record I have zero financial interest in either 3rd party mentioned in this email. I am simply concerned at the unnecessary confusion that could be brought to the market place. Which I am a part of.
Vibex
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Client Reference |
533157 DMB/FXC |
Submission Date |
23 Nov 2005 |
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IP Number |
739226 |
Filed/Designation Date |
23 Nov 2005 |
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Registered |
Vibex Is a Vibration Training system that has existed in multiple Contours Woman's Gyms for the last few years ( still operational )
Vibe Express
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DPL/VE1 |
Submission Date |
14 Jul 2011 |
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IP Number |
845719 |
Filed/Designation Date |
14 Jul 2011 |
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Under Examination |
Contours = Vibex
Configure Express = Vibe Express
I personally think the second party is hoping your auto search under the term "vibe" would not bring up Vibex.
I hope this information helps with the examination process.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-01 13:15:27
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B....
You have purchased an $50 ---> $80 machine from China. They are essentially disposable items.
It will probably cost you more to get someone to look at it than buy a new one ( unless you have a mate who is an electrician ).
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-01 13:11:48
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Happy New year to all those involved in real Vibration Training.
It is going to be an interesting year with a few new things coming up.
Remember. Our joint goal is to literally change the way people look after themselves. Probably the most important task any of us will ever be involved in.
Head down, ass up , and off we go into 2013.........
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b |
Posted On:2013-01-01 11:40:52
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more info...
I was on the confidence power plus and it was moving. I pushed a button on the panel not sure which button and the machine stopped. The panel lights up and I can select with the buttons now but nothing moves.
original question...
my confidence fitness power plus vibration plate machine is not working, info on the display panel changes when I press the buttons but the plate does not move. Any ideas on how to fix it
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2013-01-01 01:09:46
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B Bart
That type of machine is manufactured very cheaply, usually in China. It is then sold either cheaply or sometimes passed off as a premium machine at a high price, and usually accompanied by false specs. If it is near new or has a warranty you should ask the supplier for a refund. If it was advertised with false specs, ask for a refund.
Or, You could possibly have an electrician look at the machine to see if wiring has detached.
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b bart |
Posted On:2012-12-31 20:20:34
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my confidence fitness power plus vibration plate machine is not working, info on the display panel changes when I press the buttons but the plate does not move. Any ideas on how to fix it
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-12-27 11:53:41
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This article was published on Obesity Facts.
It is the result of a collaboration i have with the Italian Auxological Institute. An organisation working every day to help obese patients and trying to develop innovative approaches to weight management. In this experiment we showed how whole body vibration with and without additional loading can induce acute increases in Growth Hormone which is very difficult to obtain with other forms of exercise in this population. In the obese, some endocrinological disturbances during acute endurance and resistance exercise have been identified inmany studies: a blunted growth hormone response, atrial natriuretic peptide and epinephrine release, and greater cortisol and insulin release. These hormonal disturbances might contribute to a suppressed lipolytic response, and/or suppressed skeletal muscle protein synthesis, as a result of acute endurance or resistance exercise, respectively. Our finding suggests that this form of exercise has the potential to be effective at least in the initial stages of an exercise programme in this population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22922806#
You will read in the study they only used a squat. Which brings up a few questions...
(a) In my experience. Truly obese individuals find it impossible to do a squat at proper knee angles, unless they are at a certain fitness level already. Being out of position with extra weight increases the chances of knee injury.
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-1---10/vibration-training-and-precise-joint-angles
(b) They added extra weight to the person. Why was that needed if the person is already overweight ? And exactly how is this relevant to an obese population.
Adding extra weight brings in much stricter training protocols. I see no way of doing this safely ( that is if safety was even a concern ) Replicating this study is not only going to be impossible, but unsafe to the participants.
(c) The positive responses were as a result of pressure and activity in the leg muscles. But the arms and chest also give the exact same responses ( that is supposing they know this simple fact. And having a background in sports science, you would really hope they did ).
So why would they only use the leg muscles to gain a response ?
Why wouldn't the study be designed to give the chance of an optimum response. Not a limited one.
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-industry-the-theory-and-trainers-tips/articles-21---30-2/industry-failing-the-obese-disabled-and-health-professionals
The study sounds as though it was designed and carried out by either a group of people who have very little knowledge of working with obese individuals, and Vibration Training. Or a company selling a machine with limitations around obesity work.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-12-23 10:01:42
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No biggie.
All it does is a give us a chance to teach another lazy marketer to do some "due diligence" ( aka... use the internet as a first stage searching tool . But too much effort I suppose )
The only reason she is trying to use " Vibe ...... " is because the lack of imagination these types of people have is staggering. The best they can ever do is copy other peoples work ( preferably from just down the road so even less effort is involved ) .
Seem this attitude before. And know exactly how it will end.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-12-22 23:13:32
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Important Information about my TradeMark - VibePlus
Most readers of this forum will recognise me by both my name - Di Heap (Diane Mary Heap) and my trading name - VibePlus, the trademark of which I have held since 2007. Well, right on Christmas (I guess I was expected to overlook this) I’ve received a legal challenge for revocation of my TradeMark on the grounds of non-use.
The applicant, Stacey Pamela Robinson, is the owner of a local gym and has been trying to trademark a similar name, “Vibe Express”. She’s been using this term at Configure Express Ponsonby gym but, unknown to me, she’s been unsuccessful in obtaining the TradeMark because its so close to mine.
Trying to now steal my TradeMark - get it revoked so she can trademark her choice is not smart business but fits right into the serious dirty department. She’s a local business, less than a kilometer from my registered address and less than a kilometer from Vibra-Train where I work and operate most of my business activities from.
The vibration machines that Configure Express Ponsonby have are Body Green brand - low energy pivotal and a barely medium energy one. How do I know? Because I went in and offered to train their staff, free of any charge, when they first got the machines. They declined but some of their people have been in the Vibra-Train studio where I have put them through the program and answered questions. I’ve never rubbished their machines to my customers, a few of whom attend that gym. I’ve never done anything to offend (well until now, that is). I’ve told customers that their machines are okay if used alongside a gym workout, obviously they are not the same as Vibra-Train.
BUT - let’s answer their charge. Is my TradeMark - VibePlus - in use?
I own two web domains - vibeplus.com and vibeplus.co.nz, and have an active website blog. I use business cards with my trading name, have a twitter account, etc and am well known as VibePlus, alongside my employment at Vibra-Train. I have a very active email account in my trading name and get frequent queries about Vibration Training , queries I answer at no charge. Not that no charge in any way negates the use of the TradeMark as it’s registered for education and training and sport by way of vibration technologies.
Here’s a clincher - I operate as a sole trader under the trading name VibePlus to re-sell Eggcel (pastuerised eggwhites) and I operate the small machine lease part of my business under the same name - VibePlus. I own and lease out Vibra-Train brand equipment (under a business arrangement with Vibra-Train). i.e I have put money into my business and my trading name. I’m a member of the I.V.T.R.B. and I work hard to ensure that vibration training is known worldwide as an excellent fitness training method and as a lifesaver, quite literally, (using therapy and training) for people with morbid obesity and other life threatening conditions. It’s exercise they can do. I have an advert for leasing commercial machines on NZ’s online auction site, TradeMe.
There’s not even confusion for people I instruct at Vibra-Train. There I’m employed. I part manage the Auckland City Studio and that’s how most customers there know me BUT some ask lots of questions about vibration training and as well as the info I tell them and the link to this website, I also send them to my site, vibeplus.com.
I have possible future plans also. In the five years I’ve owned my trademark it’s become who I am, I’m as much VibePlus as I am Di Heap.
So how is Stacey Robinson of Configure Express, Ponsonby confused and thinks I don’t use my TradeMark? And how is her business representative, Murray Stott, Database Publishing, Dunedin confused? A simple check on Google would show the mark is in use. Are they too lazy to Google? Or are they just hoping I’m not alert to their trying to get this through over Christmas?
Note: I’ve noticed the name Vibe Express in Configure Express Ponsonby’s window. It’s never bothered me BUT I’m no longer going to be nice. It is way too close to my trading name and TradeMark - they’ll have to stop using it.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-12-14 13:47:21
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I simply hate this kind of behavior ....
A well know gym franchise released a book a few years ago , about their fight to curb obesity globally. I fully suspected at the time it was a "feel good" marketing ploy to make people think they actually gave a rats....
They did not let me down.....
At their recent AGM they stipulated to their trainers " We know our demographic, and we have no intention of trying to engage any other audience in the future "
Just to make this clear. This particular chain has spent the last 20 years making sure all their marketing sends this clear message.
If you are not already skinny, healthy and look hot. You are not welcome.
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They are only going to push extreme, hardcore programs to make sure if you are not already at a certain level of fitness. You simply will not come back due to embarrassment.
Please note; I was once a proud member of this gym. But that was in the days when the unethical marketers were not in charge.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-12-03 20:06:15
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Find your machine on this page. If it’s the one I’m thinking you’ll find it under the label “Low Speed Pivotal”.
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews
This type of machine is often advertised unethically as a “get fit, lose weight” full fitness machine – this isn’t so. It has really good benefits for helping circulation, relaxation and gentle massage. It can be very good for older people and low weight people needing gentle therapy.
It is highly unlikely, in my opinion, that it will help you lose weight.
Read my article about these machines, here:
http://www.vibeplus.com/2010/05/31/unethical-trademe-seller-reacts-to-the-truth/
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Nicky |
Posted On:2012-12-03 17:39:28
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Hi what is your opinion of the SITREK Vibration Trainer,
Can it help you to lose weight
thanks
Nicky
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-12-01 17:16:24
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Another stupid lazy media person gets a massage belt mixed up with Vibration Training.
How could anyone be so ill educated in today's world of the internet ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-12-01 00:12:27
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Mike...
You really think someone who lacks so little conviction in their own "opinions", they use an anonymous name. Could comprehend anything I do.
Unfortunately we didn't manage to get your money back, but we did manage to shut him down so he couldn't scam anyone else. .
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2012-11-30 17:50:58
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It amazes me the rudeness of some people, they come onto this forum and accuse Lloyd for being anti-competitive trying to shut down competition.
Well I was competition to Lloyd when I started the first South Island studio off my own back over 6 years ago, when my first machines started to brake down due to inferior quality I phoned Lloyd.
He helped me and my family survive a very tough time, even using his own time and energy to go after the guy that sold us the machines and tried to get our money back.
I have stayed with Lloyd on numerous occasions and found him to be of utmost integrity, in fact he has always said there is no such thing as a bad machine only bad marketers.
He has even driven across the city in his own time with his own petrol and picked up a machine I bought privately and asked for nothing in return.
I have seen him drive to private homes just to show members of the public how to operate a machine they bought off trade me.
I think the problem with people is they just don’t understand that someone else is willing to help genuine people, so they try and run them down for it.
.com grow some balls and put up your real name
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 21:20:09
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I am only the best because I do not take an "experts" word when they say something cant be done.
To me that has always just sounded like an excuse because they either have a limited imagination, not smart enough, or are simply too lazy to try and do better. Some are genuinely arrogant enough though to think they are already the best. And they are the ones who really hate anyone proving them wrong by daring to be better.
I broke all the rules in embalming to do cases that previously were thought impossible. And I developed my own fluids and techniques when what was being sold was sub standard. I just applied the same principles to this industry.
"If you want to be as good as your teacher, you are not aiming high enough " ......... by Me
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 19:38:17
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Com
You mention Lloyd being a mortician. I have been in the studio when other morticians have been in visiting Lloyd. They have all said Lloyd is the best mortician they have ever seen. And he is asked to train up other morticians constantly. These are his competitors in the workforce.
I have also been in the studio when other vibration training company engineers have come to test out Lloyds designs. Again all have said they are the best they have seen.
What are you going to say to that ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 19:16:00
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A few points....
(1) By your reasoning. Crazy-Fit are actually the world leaders. They have outsold everyone. And their product ( under different names ) have been put into "pop up studios" globally.
Of course they all close just as fast.
They use fake specs, lie about where the machines are made, use fake Drs endorsements etc.... just like Power Plate. Maybe that to you is success. It is just not what I am personally aiming for.
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" Vibra-Train is the largest vibration studio network in the world, that’s simple not true.
Vibrogym: More then 60 “pure” vibration training studios and over 130 “mixed” studios worldwide.
Power Plate: More then 100 Power Plate Microstudios (min. 4 machines) in Germany alone + Power Plates in Spas, Gyms, Hotels + Power Plate Center in more then 100 countries."
Power Plate no longer have any kind of franchise, network or license model. Mine is still intact. When I collapsed the franchise model in N.Z. they were told by their lawyers to not risk it again.
It is far better for them to target the weak and keep them separated, rather than risk a joint legal claim against them.
(3) You mean Polimp Limited, the Food Broker?
No. Like your own research states. I personally liquidated Power Plate NZ. As I had promised I would if they continued to be dishonest. Power Plate Int supported them with lawyers and dictated to them how to take me on. The president of PP Int came to NZ to oversee the whole thing.
(4) Now to this great comment.
" you are a mortician " Yes just a mortician.
Which brings us to a very important question. How did Power Plate, with all their experts, teams of engineers and lawyers. Manage to fail at everything they try to do and actually release crappier machines each year. And even lose their own master studios ?
But I succeeded in my spare time.
Isn't that just plain embarrassing ?
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 13:37:05
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You listed the qualities of a leader. For Lloyd Shaw, I ticked off all the boxes. A leader can be confrontational even, as long as he’s right there working in his business – leading the way.
I have seen other company CEO’s visit Lloyd asking for advice. They even send him prototypes of machines to access and redesign if needed. Some, all the way from Europe. Even Power Plate people themselves flew in to meet with Lloyd only a couple of years ago for advice.
So maybe you don’t respect him. But others obviously do.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 12:36:50
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You are losing your own online argument – you really need to back up your statements, not just make quotes or lists.
You said: “Save your time and save your energy, we all know the outcome of your research about the other studios worldwide”
I did look up a some of them - today they don’t exist/closed down; or they are fitness studios with a vibration machine; or they still exist but don’t list vibration training on their website; or – in the case of Mums-ercise Brisbane, their website “about us” says this:
“At the start of 2007 we added ‘Vibration Training’ classes to our repertoire”
You said: “PowerPlate have over 100 micro studios in Germany alone ... etc”
You didn’t say when – so am I to read that these studios are operational today? That’s a bit strange as I know all the Power Plate studios that have opened up have later closed down.
We are talking about dedicated training studios – compare with Vibra-Train where the oldest studios are still in business providing Vibration Training – open today!
Here’s a point: A client of mine (who needs vibration training as an ongoing therapy as well as a training tool) is going to Capetown this week, to see his family and will be away for 6 weeks. He asked me to find him a Vibration Studio. I told him, no problem, there’s a Vibrogym studio, I’ll find the address and you can see if it’s a location you can get to. Well, maybe it still exists, I can’t say for sure that it doesn’t, but I couldn’t find it online anymore.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 11:42:08
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COM
Let’s talk about integrity here
Why don’t you use your real name in your posts?
And why hide behind a proxy IP?
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COM:8080 |
Posted On:2012-11-28 10:04:11
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You mean Polimp Limited, the Food Broker? Polimp Limited, one of this many companies owned by Krystyna Wardas?
And after opening the “very first vibration studio in the world” you “killed” your former employer?
But unfortunately you have not dismantled them globally after five years time – that has to be the mission of your life.
Court liquidation: Power Plate NZ wound up
Company: Power Plate NZ Ltd
Directors: Krystyna Wardas, Meadowbank
Liquidation: 12 November 2007, Rotorua
Applicant for court-ordered liquidation: Lloyd Shaw
Liquidators: Dennis Parsons & Katherine Kenealy (Indepth Forensic Ltd, Hamilton)
Creditors’ claims: Lloyd Shaw
Other details: Ms Wardas is a director of Accelerate Studios Ltd, Polimp Ltd & Power Syndicate Ltd, and a former director of Vibe Exercise Ltd. Mr Shaw describes himself on the web forum of his new company, Vibra-Train Ltd, as a mortician who ran Power Plate NZ until he left in disgust. He set up Vibra-Train in 2004. Mr Shaw wrote on his forum when this liquidation application was notified in October: “This kind of action in & out of court will continue until PowerPlate has either (a) apologised for its past behaviour and negotiates a settlement” for practices Mr Shaw alleged it had undertaken and “(b) is dismantled globally. I will do what it takes to give our industry an example of how not to act and what not to do.” Power Plate NZ offered some training equipment online. However the http://nz.powerplate.com web address is owned by Power Plate International Ltd, of the UK, and refers to its subsidiary, Power Point Trading Ltd, incorporated on 11 July, as national distributor for Power Plate fitness equipment.
Websites: NZ PowerPlate
Save your time and save your energy, we all know the outcome of your research about the other studios worldwide.
As I read before: Vibra-Train is the largest vibration studio network in the world, that’s simple not true.
Vibrogym: More then 60 “pure” vibration training studios and over 130 “mixed” studios worldwide.
Power Plate: More then 100 Power Plate Microstudios (min. 4 machines) in Germany alone + Power Plates in Spas, Gyms, Hotels + Power Plate Center in more then 100 countries.
Maybe your machines are the best, but the concept from the competitors (the dust under your feet) is more successful?
YES, you have destroyed all your competitors her in New Zealand, but you will be never the leader in that industry.
“An effective leader is a person with a passion for a cause that is larger than they are. Someone with a dream and a vision that will better society, or at least, some portion of it. I think a very key question has to be answered: Can someone who is a charismatic leader, but only to do evil or to promote herself, be a leader -- especially if she has a large following?” I would say no, she is a manipulator.” “Leaders must have the ability to act in an interpersonally competent manner, yet they also need to learn the techniques of good listening, honest and open communication, delegating, conflict resolution skills, etc., to actually get work done and keep the whole movement/organization/project together.” Sandra Larsen
A leader is one who knows the way goes the way and shows the way. You are not a leader, you are a mortician – that’s true.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 01:56:57
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I would like to make it clear. A Vibration Training studio is not a place where Vibration Training equipment is added to an already existing business. It is place where that is your core business model.
Now lets play this game.
Lets do some research on the studios from your little line up. How much they were charging and what programs they were doing. And we will also see who managed to stay open and how long for.
Compared to me that is.
You want to take a bet on the outcome ? Or you want to change subjects again ?
Too late. I am publishing the outcomes tomorrow anyway.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 01:44:05
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Yes I opened the first Vibration Training studio / showroom in early 2003. Using the original Power Plate steel machines ( I still have these and they work fine ) . It was opened under the company name Polimp Ltd. ( look it up ) Later changed to Power Plate NZ after the legal agreement came through in 2004. We started the refurbishment and signed the lease in 2002.
This was after I had a disagreement with PP Head Office in Holland in late 2002 that the idea could even work. They just wanted to sell to gyms.
In 2002, Kevin Barclay-Webb ,( Power Plates top salesperson ) had already put machines in The Fitness Lounge in London, but had failed to get regular users onto the product. My opinion was because of the conflict of interest between the personal trainers who saw VT as a threat.
After 3 months of me being busy. And reviewing my numbers. Power Plate funny enough changed their mind and started selling the idea to other people. And drawing up franchise plans.
Note: I had actually looked at the technology in 2001. But saw no way of getting it to NZ with support. Back then Power Plate did not even have a website. So seemed to lack international intentions.
It actually took them until 2006 to launch an English language site.
PowerPlate.com
Was owned by a "Software for the
Metal Finishing Industry" company before that.
Check on it if you like.
You want to play some more ?
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