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Hey guys, check out what you ended up doing to vibrationtraining .net Some kind of porn site. Was that the " new direction " you wanted to take it in ?
Remember it once was a site that helped a lot of people for free globally. We have a great study done by Auckland University on the online community we had created and the purely altruistic work we did for years. It is the 3rd most cited paper on "Online Consumer Engagement" in academia. And I have lectured on it a few times now. And yes I have told the students about your guys behavior.
A site referring machines for zero commission to ethical companies, helping other people get refunds because of the power / reach of the site, and stopping people damaging themselves following dangerous programs. It was a good thing in a sea of snakes.
We helped thousands of people look after themselves better. While cleaning up the industry.
I personally worked hard and used the trust people had in me to gain YOU some paying advertisers, ( 6 x $150 ) while I asked for nothing like a commission,....I only asked for you to continue supporting our mission. Which you said you agreed with. YOU OF COURSE WAS LYING THE WHOLE TIME. .
The truth shows itself.....
.You then repaid us by selling the community out to some scummy sales people, the very people the site was set up to protect the public from. You plagiarizedeveryone's work, to make it look like you wrote all our articles, so I suppose you could sell it without any issues ?? As we all know If you had wiped everyone's work the site would have been empty. It would have taken years of effort to full the site back up.
Anyway, classy move.( and no I do not believe your weak excuse you accidentally put your name on every single article I and others wrote. You have ZERO credibility )
Then you went on to delete over 3000 consumer advocate comments, and articles that might make people ask too many questions. So they could be scammed easier by the new self professed experts .The site continued to get all the traffic, with so many links on other forums stating it was a safe place to get advice we had put up over the years. What a nice little trap up set for people.
Setting up everyone, the disabled, older people, or just you average person looking for advice. You simply did not give a shit did you ? ( rhetorical question )
And it gets better, the "expert" you choose over us has nothing to do with the industry anymore.
You know the one that stated he was going to use the site to become the " #1 Vibration Training Expert in the World "
Well after stopping all unbiased advice, then helping scaremonger people to get sales,( supporting the sales pitch other companies machines will give you brain damage . A statement proven not true by hundreds of studies ) he dumped his own studio and all the customers he convinced to buy machines. Lots of people looking for him directly...he is long gone.
Important point : He actually used the machines he attacked, in his business and trained on them himself. Something you knew because he had posted it earlier. Until you took those posts down of course..
But wait there is more.....
......the company we tried to expose for selling untested machines, the event you used to justifyscrewing us over, went on to rip a whole bunch of people off. All the machines either feel apart or caught fire. and people lost their business.The guy ended up being a complete psycho. Refusing to answer emails from pissed customers. With threats common if they did get a response. The community was now powerless to help them, unlike in the past when you had kept your word and supported us. When I had gotten people refunds.
With the #1 Consumer Protection site gone rouge, LOTS of scammers got away with ripping people off. You of course would not have cared about that.
EVERYTHING WE PREDICTED CAME TRUE, AND EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DECIDED TO DO ENDED UP HURTING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE. .....EXCEPT FOR THE BAD GUYS ....ALL IN THE NAME OF WHAT..... GREED ?
But I suppose that would only concern people with souls and a conscience. You know, morals, ethics etc.... just abstract ideas to the likes of you.
Quite simply, will never forgive you for what you did because I strongly believe in accountability. I believe the world is a worse place when people are not made accountable for their actions. No matter how long it takes.
FYI........ Am expanding quite nicely myself into more countries, and I will be telling the story of our industry at some point. In fact because of some of the breakthrough I have had with our disability work ( as you know I have been doing free disability work since I opened 15 years ago ) it might be sooner than later. And it does make a good story, especially with the independent research to back up the work we were doing.
The good thing is my opinion is not really needed to make you look bad. Just the pure facts and the end result is what counts. Documented History is good like that sometimes. Statistics, dates, names, your first emails to me etc... ... all paint a lovely picture or people being corrupted by greed. No matter who it hurt.
Because lets get this very clear........, NONE of that damage to our industry, or other peoples lives, could have been done so easily without you, .
It was 100% your doing. 100% your fault.
To give those people access to the #1 ranked site of its kind in the world. A ranking achieved by the hard work of good honest people who trusted you, who were there for people they did not even know, day after day for YEARS. You used that effort to shit on them.
As I said at the time, I hope whatever they promised you was worth it. I really hope that prize was worth hurting other people over.
Anyway, don't be surprised to see both your names up in print with my very un-ambiguous opinion of you. And you can do your best to try and explain the un-ambiguous end result of your work.
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-29 09:55:55
Yes good powerful unit.
Make sure you don't wind the hell out of it for no reason. Thinking the higher speeds are needed for results. They are not. If that is done, it should be gradual over a long period of time ( years )
Follow our Pivotal program best you can. Use pics and read instructions.
Note: The company itself is in hiatus. So still a good machine, but I have no idea about its future.
Tina
Posted On:2017-10-28 08:34:15
Hi
I am looking at a gravity plus 2nd hand machine for sale
Has not been used for 4 years but serviced a month ago
Want to exercise for half an hour each day doing squats planks etc
Would this be suitable
John Weatherly
Posted On:2017-10-22 15:47:29
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-15 12:08:02
More good news ? Well it depends how you look at it.
A vibration-based therapy being trialed in Auckland could help young people with cerebral palsy.
The concept of whole-body vibration training sounds remarkably simple: a person stands on a specially-designed vibration plate, creating a see-saw movement that stimulates a pattern similar to walking.
This is thought to improve communication between the muscles and spine, aiding balance and co-ordination.
The family of Luke Torrens Kelly admitted they were "somewhat sceptical" when he joined a clinical trial of the therapy at Auckland University's Liggins Institute.
"Luke has had many therapies in the past and it is often hard to judge whether or not they have any effect," the 13-year-old's mother, Tracey Torrens, said.
It turned out that the vibration therapy was fun and easy for Luke, who is at the mild end of the spectrum, and caused him to gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months.
Luke was one of 40 people with cerebral palsy, aged 11 to 20, in the trial, which showed vibration therapy increased strength and mobility.
Now the same therapy will be trialled in younger children thanks to a grant of $390,000 over three years from the Jubilee Crippled Children Foundation.
Researchers aim to recruit 40 children aged 5 to 10 years with mild to severe cerebral palsy and general musculoskeletal disability.
They will also investigate the feasibility of using vibration therapy in under-5s at high risk of neuromuscular problems, and the effects of shorter sessions for adolescents.
Jubilee also funded the original research, along with the Sir David Levene Foundation.
"Together, these studies will identify who will benefit the most from vibration therapy and what is the best protocol - frequency and duration - according to their health and age," said study leader and Liggins research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso.
"Our hope is that our research will enable practitioners to develop new physical therapy programmes tailored for individual kids and young adults which incorporate vibration therapy alongside other tools, giving these young people the most benefits possible."
In the original trial, which was the biggest and most rigorous of its kind to date, participants stood on the vibration plate for nine minutes a day, four times a week.
Vibration therapy helped Luke Torrens Kelly gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months. Photo / Supplied
After 20 weeks of training, they showed clear benefits: increased bone and muscle mass, and improved day-to-day functioning and quality of life, with some parents reporting fewer falls, better mood, boosted confidence, and greater manoeuvrability.
Some children walked 30 per cent further in a six-minute walk test - a big difference for them.
The findings, published last year, attracted international attention.
"I had parents from around the world asking for more details, or saying thank you for doing research in this area, which is quite humbling," Gusso said.
Many asked where to buy the special vibration plate, which cost $5000-$6000 and was much different from the standard muscle-toning plates sold at malls.
Waitakere College in West Auckland, one of the high schools involved in the original trial, were now looking at getting one.
Liggins Institute research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso, with one of the special plates used in the trial. Photo / Supplied
"Many of our students in the trial had improved bone density, muscle mass and some impressive improvements in their walking speed, which can make a huge functional difference in their lives as they can better keep up with their peers," said Fleur White, a paediatric physiotherapist at the school.
The research team has since also trialled the therapy in young people with more severe cerebral palsy, and with general musculoskeletal disability, with results due in 2018.
Cerebral palsy, a group of movement disorders, is the most common cause of physical disability in childhood, affecting two in 1000 children.
It's caused by abnormal development or damage to parts of the brain that control movement, balance and posture.
Children with the disorders have reduced muscle and bone mass, and muscles that normally work in complementary action will simultaneously go into spasm, making movement difficult, and leading to muscle wasting over time.
About half of children have a raised risk of bone fractures, partly because their muscles aren't pulling on their bones in the normal way to promote healthy bone development.
Until now, treatments to relieve the condition's effects have been fairly limited: injection of botox, surgery, passive stretching by physiotherapists and injection of bisphosphonates to increase bone density.
The information these Children and their Parents really need to know.
This is in my opinion nothing short of a scam. Not the technology and idea, but the sales based company behind it.
Similar trials have been done where the parents are told after the trial, ( which is always successful, because it is an exact copy of other research already done ) that to continue their children's VT Therapy they MUST purchase a machine worth $5000.
Not giving full disclosure on 2 important points that any parent in this situation would want to know.
(1) That free training has been available for ALL people with disabilities at a dedicated VT center in Auckland for 15 years now, and other such places around the country. With some of the machines especially designed to cater to people with disabilities.
And by free, it means free for life. And when possible, we give away similar devices to those in need. To date. 92 units.
Pivotal and Lineal units are utilized.
(2) Other Pivotal brands of machines that are suitable for this therapy, are available here in N.Z. and Australia and much cheaper. Some are even more suited due to their design. Depending on the stage of the disability.
The sales people say they are the only ones capable of building a machine with certain Frequencies and Amplitudes.....this is simply not true. And has not been true for a good decade. Everyone involved in this technology is well aware of this fact.
Robyn
Posted On:2017-10-10 12:45:15
Hi thanks for getting back to me 1200.00 tops
thanks Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-05 17:43:27
Robyn...
Not forgotten you, still looking. Be patient and something good will come up.
How much you willing to spend.
Robyn
Posted On:2017-10-02 09:51:10
Hi thanks for your response I live in Hawkes Bay
Regards Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-09-28 18:26:30
Robyn
Am looking on TradeMe for you as to see what is available.
Technically most machines can give some results. But quality and other features I can spot can help me find you something good.
Hi Im just wanting some advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming. I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up, I also have low bone density, so hoping that this could also help. There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for I am in New Zealand.
Many thanks Robyn
Robyn
Posted On:2017-09-27 08:53:06
Hi Im just wanting sime advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming. I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up. There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for
Many thanks Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-09-23 10:30:51
The 3G Cardio AVT. is a Medium Energy Lineal unit. ( as per the review section ) We don't actually name many brands, and they change sticker / names often. Because there are thousands of simply made up names, an actual description is much more practical and educational.
Eg.......3G Cardio.....even though it is purely designed for anaerobic activity ? .
So as long as you follow a strict program, you will both get results. ( you will both do the same program. As it is designed to change body composition and function which is what you both need / want )
Follow the program to the best of your ability. As you will learn quickly, the difference in the right or wrong pose, is in inches.
You could use the machine regularly, and without the right program. It can be a waste of time and money.
VCW
Posted On:2017-09-22 04:35:00
I am considering buying a 3G Cardio AVT. This machine has not been mentioned in any of the posts that I have read so far. I am a complete novice and need some good advice. I have poor bone density and my husband has diabetes. Help, please.
Cali
Posted On:2017-09-01 15:49:11
Sorry I should have done a better job of reading the other comments. There really is a lot of great information on here. Thank you
Jenny
Posted On:2017-08-30 15:29:48
Thankyou
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-08-29 15:07:43
If you expect to be a little advanced, then yes the CV9 has a lot more room to do advanced poses on.
Whoever gave you that advice about Pivotal's is clearly not educated on this discipline. The unit is very safe.
Jenny
Posted On:2017-08-28 13:58:26
Thanks for your advice. With the CV12 I noticed it does have the handles, which I agree would be good for me. I am not wobbly and pretty active though. I thought they would get in the way of doing exercises on the base, would that be correct. Also a friend of mine in the health industry said not to get a pivotal that has a base that oscillates more than 8mm. Is this true.
Thanks so much for these clarifications and help. Very generous re the assistance on these machines re using them as well. Would really like to get my mid section down.
Cheers
Jenny
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-08-26 17:47:45
Jenny...
My advice would be the new CardioTech CV12 . It has the side handlebars you will need.
Extremely smooth action and lots of physio / exercise options.
When you get the unit, we will communicate constantly and make sure you progress in a safe but effective manner.
Jenny
Posted On:2017-08-26 16:46:40
Hi Lloyd
I have read just about everything in this discussion forum, but still need some advice if I could. My background. I am 63 and a survivor of an accident 4 years ago, which included acute brain trauma and damage to muscle. No broken anything lucky for me. Anyway I am now fully recovered, except for ongoing muscle issues, mainly in my legs. I have tried walking for fitness on a small hilly site, but it caused a very painful seizure of my leg muscles posteriorly, gluts and other muscles in that general area. Disappointing, but havent given up yet. I have repaired myself so far and have achieved a lot. My muscles only play up when I exercise, mainly walking. My back muscles are weak as well. Gym is no good for me as it makes me tired still.
Hence the WVB interest. I am in Australia and there does not appear to be any linear machines, so pivotal it is. I am weighing up between the recommendations you have made with Gravity HQ and the CardioTeach CV9. Also I found this machine WBV3000 from a company in Perth.
http://www.wbv.net.au Here is the link.
My aim is to get fit again, loose approx 8 or 10kgs that I have put on since my accident and improve my leg muscles by strengthing them.
Any advice you can give me I would be thankful.
Faye
Posted On:2017-08-25 10:24:46
thanks Lloyd, that gives me a great guide line to work on. to be able to get his circulation moving and stop the leg swelling will be fantastic, let alone if it helps with sleeping.
keep up the good work.
Faye
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-08-23 15:37:35
The different ways the machine can be used in your Sons condition based on what you have said .....
Here are the basic ways this machine should be used for safe results …
Physio / Therapy
(1) Just sitting in front of the machine in a chair with your feet on the platform, a little apart in a comfortable, natural position.
Machine on lowest speed, running for 10 minutes, hands holding onto your knees.
Time: 10 minutes twice day.
This improves circulation throughout the body and is a safe position for everyone. It can relieve pain in joints, including shoulder/upper body as the hands on knees position transfers vibration gently to the upper body as well as feet on platform transfers to the lower body. Helps with relaxation and sleep.
(2) Just standing upright on the machine, on its lowest speed. Best use is for balance and circulation. You can stand completely upright or with relaxed knees, slight squat, which feels more comfortable for many people.
MUST - Hold onto a solid chair or rail
This gives some strength training, circulation etc.... but also reinforces the central nervous system that usually facilitates balance.
NEVER turn the speed up unless you talk to me first. Always remember....... everything on the adverts selling those units is a lie. The information is random and just so wrong I would not know where to start clearing it up.
Faye
Posted On:2017-08-23 09:38:52
Its a Ti Lite, had it specially made for him, hes 6ft 3 and 100kgs so a large man 44yrs old.
Because hes having more trouble lately with circulation we thought something like this may work for him in the home, hes been wheelchair bound for 24 years.
thanks for the feed back.
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-08-22 18:31:37
Faye.....
Yes Pivotal Vibration Therapy is perfect for your Son. And those who designed them in 1996 had special cases in mind.
What kind of wheelchair does you son have ?
Faye
Posted On:2017-08-22 14:10:59
Hi there
I have a son in a wheelchair, a tetraplegic, can stand but only holding onto a bar. My question is would the power fit vibration machine that is currently popular here be ok for him to use sitting in his wheelchair
He has had a blood clot many years ago and is on blood thinners, has high blood pressure as well. We are hoping to find something he can use at home, goes to the gym but for cardio.
many thanks
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-08-21 19:54:19
What program are you following ? Poses , speeds etc.....
Sharon Bass
Posted On:2017-08-20 17:00:57
Hello, I recently bought a ZAAZ vibration machine I seem to suffering from bad headache and dizziness. Is this normal while my body is trying to get use to something new. Thank you Sharon
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-07-09 18:21:33
Sal ...
Pretty simple.
Upper body .... Keep it under 15 hz for upper body. I keep it on 10 hz for upper body and just really work on my static form.
Lower body ...... Anything over 22 and most form is lost. I love 18 hz and got great development from that Fq.
Sal
Posted On:2017-07-08 19:14:19
Hello
i recently purchased a second hand gravity revolution machine, but it came with no manual. Can you tell me what frequencies I should be using for upper And lower body . The posters you have in site say low medium or high frequencies, but I the GR shows numbers so am unsure of which to choose
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-07-06 21:15:21
Hello George...
I heard there is an ex-Demo HyperVibe performance. ..And you are a runner. So that would be my pick. I do not rate the new HyperVibes at all.
Di Heap / VibePlus
Posted On:2017-07-06 12:32:42
George, to answer your questions
GravityHQ haven’t gone out of business but are taking a break for 6 months to a year for rest and medical reasons (recommended by Lloyd Shaw). They have a new machine, Revolution 2, that has real force (a new thing for a pivotal machine) that could well be what you are looking for, for training purposes, but it’s not available yet. I have been fortunate to trial it and its very good.
The machines that Elite Fitness sell, HyperVibe; in the industry there is general consensus that value for money is lacking. Just my opinion also but I don’t recommend. But if you can get an original, older HyperVibe machine (would have to be second-hand) this might be suitable for general training purposes.
There are little pivotal machines without a pole that are great for therapy uses and can also be used for basic training. I can help you with one of these if wanted (I don’t sell machines now but I can easily get a quality one for you). Contact me, search Di at VibePlus.
You haven’t stated your goals or anything about your needs or any physical limitations – but if you are wanting a home use, Premium Speed Pivotal training machine and need to buy now, my recommendation is Cardiotech CV9. You would need to import one from Cardiotech in Australia which I’m told isn’t difficult. You can contact me or Lloyd Shaw of Vibra-Train for advice and to be sent to the right person in Australia to arrange this.
If you are in Auckland visit Vibra-Train in Victoria Street West and we will give you free advice and have machines you can try. We do not sell machines, can just point you in the right direction for your needs. Note: we do not receive compensation, it’s just good to know people get the best machine for their needs.
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