Cool Murray, that explains the fq then. Still doesn't explain why he slipped once the fq was upped. His low body weight maybe. 

Ive used another brand that's tested out accurately. I can't hold the squat without slipping when the speed is above 22Hz and low amplitude.  The machine definitely shakes my legs about, very different to lineal and very good at getting the circulation going after sitting at desk for an hour.  I used to try 27Hz but losing form just isn't okay.  I'd be keen to try 40Hz, hope I'll get the opportunity soon. Would be interesting to compare the feeling in leg muscles compared with a lineal machine, to compare the depth of muscle contraction or if Id still call it shaky rather than deep. Also I'd want to feel how controlled the vibration is, I've tried one brand , a big made in China machine, that claimed high fq but wasnt, and it made me seasick. 

Thanks for clarifying Lloyd, I agree with you to some extent, particularly on the higher frequncies and lower amplitudes, though I think optimal settings are highly individualised.

Di, I believe yourself and your husband tried a HyperVibe in April 2009, as per your article here

http://www.vibeplus.com/2009/05/13/hypervibe-premium-speed-pivotal-vibration-machines/

The machine you used there was a Performance model, and having installed Debbies machines myself, I can assure you at 25Hz it was running at 25Hz. The Rejuvenate model was not released until 2010 and only had a max display setting of 14Hz.

Murray

My (athlete) husband had a session on the Rejuvenate, one of the first released ones. He was then very slim and low weight, kind of all arms and legs. With feet, hip-bone width apart, 110 degree squat He slipped badly - maybe that just means not everyone is suited to a pivotal machine of that type.

The setting on the display (according to my notes) was 25Hz but now I understand that early machine was shown to be doing 14Hz maximum so If he couldn't hold a perfect pose at that lower speed - with an Hypervibe instructor guiding him -  there's little chance he will be okay at say,a true 27Hz which you say can be used.

Just sayin...

If you agree that there are exceptions e.g. lower amplitude, then youd also agree that simply moving your feet closer together has the same effect.

Id be very comfortable putting a sedentary 80 year old on a typical pivotal at 25Hz with a small squat, narrow stance, and form would be no issue.

Di, Im confused by you comment on 2 levels...

Are you saying that our HyperVibe unit was only operating at 14Hz via a 25Hz setting

If the machine your husband was using was only running at 14Hz and his feet were slipping, how would he manage 22Hz

My husband is a medal winning runner. He really disliked his experience on a pivotal, HyperVibe, three years ago.  Set at higher speed – supposedly 25Hz – his feet slipped when he was in a squat position (and we now know that 25Hz was more like 14Hz).

I have to disagree with you on the 22Hz guideline Lloyd, as it is all relevant to amplitude. Use a pivotal at 40Hz with just a couple of mm displacement, and it feels quite comparable to a lineal of the same settings, no problem holding any pose. Increase the displacement to 10mm at 40Hz and your feet will skid off the platform.

In 2009 Amazing Super Health did just that, and changed their pivotal from maxing at 15Hz with about 10mm displacement, to a pivotal maxing at 40Hz with about 3mm displacement. You can hold form no problem throughout the entire frequency range.

I havent encountered a pivotal machine where form cant be achieved at any frequency via amplitude adjustment.

Likewise, high frequency, upper body poses are quite comfortable on a pivotal at low amplitude. This is the weakness in pivotal design though, your typical pivotal unit has large displacements out at the edge of the platform where most upper body poses are held.

Hey Lloyd, just wondering how to best pair vibration training with traditional weight training in order to help gain and maintain lean muscle mass. I weight train 3 days a week, and would like to incorporate vibra train into my regime, but do not want overtrain... any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Interesting.

What do you think about the reemergence of Power Plate in NZ? They seem to be building over your way again.

Hi Willie,

It has been a long haul but after 4 prototypes, we are in the final testing and review phase, and then we can go to production. I dont want to put a time on the public release date, as Ive learned throughout this project that nothing goes according to schedule.

Regarding price, if you are asking as an interested home user, Im afraid it will be disappointing news. The machine is going to retail upwards of 10,000 USD, and will weigh more than 150Kg, designed for a commercial setting. Our next project will be to take the technology to a home use machine.

Hi Murray, when is your Galaxy machine coming out and how much will it cost.

Hey Lloyd,

Im curious if you know what the result was on this one

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/former-franchise-owners-fight-back-147449.html

This  shows how "peer-reviewed" journals can publish fake research which is similar to the invalid studies on vibration that have been published in "peer-reviewed" journals.  Google "Dr. Das UConn Scandal."  This doctor and researcher on resveratrol faked and published data in journals and he was even an editor or associate editor of journals himself.  He is an MD who was at the University of Connecticut.  We cannot trust "peer-review" by itself.  Some of these scientists are crooks too.

John T. Weatherly

Well done Martin and Dean, the new machine looks awesome.  Great to see things going so well. 

New machine from Bodyshaker

As announced by Lloyd some time ago, one physio in collaboration with one major European company have been working on developing a machine that include vibration hand bars. And that is exactly what we were involved in for past, almost two years from initial idea until working commercial machine is produced. First pictures of it you can find on:

http://www.dobrevibracije.hr/#

Not to go in details, it is sufficient to say that all of us included in this project have had some serious headache and sleepless nights to report, that are  probably integral part of any project such as this one. But, looking on end result, and seeing my customers exercising on it, all the effort is well worth it.

Also, a passion in people from Bodyshaker, their determination to improve existing design, and work with physio from some small country with crazy idea, is something that can not be bought. Thanks guys. Hope this investment of yours will prove to be excellent one.

The new design is allowing us more specific workout for our athletes, as well as easier exercising for sedentary patients. It also provide an opportunity to treat some of disorders of shoulder grid. I know that is something usual for you guys in NZ, since you have Vibra-train, but it is something completely new for all the rest of us.

In addition, We opened new, now third, vibration studio in our city. This one is integral part of my physiotherapy clinic, which means more patients will benefit from this technology.

As always, I have to thank you all here, for answering my questions,and being there for support. Especially thanks to you Lloyd. Without your help, none of this would be possible.

Ref Globus vibration machines

Please take a look at my blog - http://physioplate.blogspot.fr -  before you decide which machine you want to buy.

As you can read I have and still have big problems with my expensive machine  Euro  4 900 from Globus because

they do not noy have a after sale service in at least France.

If I had known that Globus does not offer any sales service,ex reperation I had never bought a machine from Globus.

My New Article – Advice to Vibration Training Instructors Part 1 - Get Tough!

http://www.vibeplus.com/2012/06/11/advice-to-vibration-training-instructors-get-tough-part-1/