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Over 45min to 1hr work outs on this machine at a local studio. I am concerned friends are doing damage.
High hz use on most poses and the fact they are made in China and fall apart and therefore become faulty and potentially harmful.
What should I tell them?
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2018-01-20 10:44:46
AC
I would do two days on, one day off. Every day will burn you out after a while. That recovery time is VERY important to the process.
Note: The best thing to do if you want to push it, is to learn to hold perfect positions for that 60 seconds. That creates an upward spiral in muscle quality and energy burn.
They usually take a few months to conquer before you even go up one speed ( that's how you know you are doing it properly.)
AC
Posted On:2018-01-19 10:18:23
After seeing the good posts and reviews I purchased a CV9 machine and I love it. I am doing the basic 10 minute pivotal program that is included on the poster that came with it every other day. Is it too much to do it every day
Di Heap VibePlus
Posted On:2017-12-18 00:21:37
There are several machines with that brand name but most common is the CrazyFit. Look at the reviews here
Warning to the Vibration Training industry in Australia regarding.
Walter Matthews ( Matthews Walter Richard Christian )
Also know as
Legal name ..... Walter Richard Christian Matthews
Walter Matthews
Waldo Matthews
Walty Matthews
Over the last few years Walter Matthews of Perth , previously Auckland N.Z. ( he was with VIBRA-NATION Pty and , VIBRATION CAFE, but now with The LABODYTORY and changes the name often) has been making some quite outstanding claims about people he has been in business or worked with.
The accusations are too disturbing to publish here, but needless to say they are designed to ruin any persons reputation that does not want to go along with his highly unethical business practices.
Unfortunately it has been discovered this is a pattern of behavior that has been repeated over many years and many past jobs. Particularly targeting Woman whom he gets into a relationship with and gets to fund his business ventures. Leaving heavy debt behind when he walks out.
3 Vibration Training studios to date.
It would be wise, if you intend to do business with this man. To do some due diligence and get him to produce tax records for all his previous employment. So a proper background check can be done.
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-12-15 15:43:04
Your best option would be to buy a Lower Speed Pivotal .Note: They still go quite fast, but you will only occasionally use the higher speeds for massage only )You need one with side handle bars.
They were actually designed by Physios in 1996 to help with similar issues of mobility you are dealing with. There are a number of ways to use those units now, and can be used progressively ( more difficult poses in the future in needed )
The best unit of its kind actually comes from CardioTech in OZ. (CV12 ) But look on TradeMe for a cheaper option if needed.
Note: You really need to be using the unit every day for the best physio results.
If you choose to go this path, I will guide you every step of the way.So even though it is not what you are used to, it is the better long term option for proper functional change.
Emma
Posted On:2017-12-14 15:36:04
Waiuku, Auckland
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-12-12 20:26:58
Where are you in N.Z.
Emma
Posted On:2017-12-10 19:59:35
Hi, in New Zealand.
No he can't stand unassisted. We do assisted standing exercises.
Thanks,
Emma
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-12-04 16:49:43
Emma,
Sorry for late reply.
$3000 for a plastic machine from China is a rip off. No matter its use.
A few questions first...
(a) Is your Son able to stand by himself. Or is it all seated therapy.
(b) What country are you in .
Emma
Posted On:2017-11-29 20:09:36
Hi There, my son has cp (spastic diplegia) we just completed an intensive therapy programme overseas where we used
a power plate as part of it every day. We are looking at purchasing a second hand one for daily use in spasticity maintenance. The therapist has recommended the powerplate however after reading this information I am wondering if there are other options which will cost less. The second hand next generation one we are looking at is $3000 (not purchased through him or his company by the way) can you please let me know your thoughts
Thank you
Lloyd Shaw
Posted On:2017-11-25 11:44:52
Researchers have finally tested multiple Vibration Training platforms , loaded, unloaded and over a period of 18 months.
Guess what they found. None kept their specs 100% under load. Some worse than others.
Also at least one lost significant performance over time. But it was the one with the most run time. So we have no idea how the others would have been put under the same pressure.
As they state. It basically ruins ALL research done on these machines as it is just too random to know what is effecting what.
Of course we have been writing about this for nearly 15 years. Calling for these exact kinds of tests to be done. But academics in this industry are "a bit slow" to be polite.
Ok units. I think getting a faulty one is just a risk with any of these cheaper units.
As far as use and results. If you follow a strict enough program, you will see some results. But "discipline" is the key word here.
With our guidance, it seems like a good buy.
Note: I would ignore all literature and programs that come with it. Most probably 99% pure rubbish and full of fluff poses. ( stuff that does bugger all but feels good )
When you have it, come back on, and we will get you started.
Suzanne
Posted On:2017-11-25 09:08:39
Do not want to spend a lot on a vibe plate at this point but interested in a "starter" model. My chiropractor recommended the SDS Whole Body Vibration platform, which he uses at his home. It provides a linear vibration up to 42 hz and gets four stars with 49 comments on Amazon that dont seem like planted reviews, and the complaints seem to be about having been shipped a defective machine which was then promptly replaced. Anybody familiar with this model, pls let me know.
Ted
Posted On:2017-11-23 21:44:55
Tina
Posted On:2017-10-29 14:13:32
o Ted Kallmyer and James Foster
Accountability........
Hey guys, check out what you ended up doing to vibrationtraining .net Some kind of porn site. Was that the " new direction " you wanted to take it in ?
Remember it once was a site that helped a lot of people for free globally. We have a great study done by Auckland University on the online community we had created and the purely altruistic work we did for years. It is the 3rd most cited paper on "Online Consumer Engagement" in academia. And I have lectured on it a few times now. And yes I have told the students about your guys behavior.
A site referring machines for zero commission to ethical companies, helping other people get refunds because of the power / reach of the site, and stopping people damaging themselves following dangerous programs. It was a good thing in a sea of snakes.
We helped thousands of people look after themselves better. While cleaning up the industry.
I personally worked hard and used the trust people had in me to gain YOU some paying advertisers, ( 6 x $150 ) while I asked for nothing like a commission,....I only asked for you to continue supporting our mission. Which you said you agreed with. YOU OF COURSE WAS LYING THE WHOLE TIME. .
The truth shows itself.....
.You then repaid us by selling the community out to some scummy sales people, the very people the site was set up to protect the public from. You plagiarizedeveryone's work, to make it look like you wrote all our articles, so I suppose you could sell it without any issues ?? As we all know If you had wiped everyone's work the site would have been empty. It would have taken years of effort to full the site back up.
Anyway, classy move.( and no I do not believe your weak excuse you accidentally put your name on every single article I and others wrote. You have ZERO credibility )
Then you went on to delete over 3000 consumer advocate comments, and articles that might make people ask too many questions. So they could be scammed easier by the new self professed experts .The site continued to get all the traffic, with so many links on other forums stating it was a safe place to get advice we had put up over the years. What a nice little trap up set for people.
Setting up everyone, the disabled, older people, or just you average person looking for advice. You simply did not give a shit did you ? ( rhetorical question )
And it gets better, the "expert" you choose over us has nothing to do with the industry anymore.
You know the one that stated he was going to use the site to become the " #1 Vibration Training Expert in the World "
Well after stopping all unbiased advice, then helping scaremonger people to get sales,( supporting the sales pitch other companies machines will give you brain damage . A statement proven not true by hundreds of studies ) he dumped his own studio and all the customers he convinced to buy machines. Lots of people looking for him directly...he is long gone.
Important point : He actually used the machines he attacked, in his business and trained on them himself. Something you knew because he had posted it earlier. Until you took those posts down of course..
But wait there is more.....
......the company we tried to expose for selling untested machines, the event you used to justifyscrewing us over, went on to rip a whole bunch of people off. All the machines either feel apart or caught fire. and people lost their business.The guy ended up being a complete psycho. Refusing to answer emails from pissed customers. With threats common if they did get a response. The community was now powerless to help them, unlike in the past when you had kept your word and supported us. When I had gotten people refunds.
With the #1 Consumer Protection site gone rouge, LOTS of scammers got away with ripping people off. You of course would not have cared about that.
EVERYTHING WE PREDICTED CAME TRUE, AND EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DECIDED TO DO ENDED UP HURTING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE. .....EXCEPT FOR THE BAD GUYS ....ALL IN THE NAME OF WHAT..... GREED ?
But I suppose that would only concern people with souls and a conscience. You know, morals, ethics etc.... just abstract ideas to the likes of you.
Quite simply, will never forgive you for what you did because I strongly believe in accountability. I believe the world is a worse place when people are not made accountable for their actions. No matter how long it takes.
FYI........ Am expanding quite nicely myself into more countries, and I will be telling the story of our industry at some point. In fact because of some of the breakthrough I have had with our disability work ( as you know I have been doing free disability work since I opened 15 years ago ) it might be sooner than later. And it does make a good story, especially with the independent research to back up the work we were doing.
The good thing is my opinion is not really needed to make you look bad. Just the pure facts and the end result is what counts. Documented History is good like that sometimes. Statistics, dates, names, your first emails to me etc... ... all paint a lovely picture or people being corrupted by greed. No matter who it hurt.
Because lets get this very clear........, NONE of that damage to our industry, or other peoples lives, could have been done so easily without you, .
It was 100% your doing. 100% your fault.
To give those people access to the #1 ranked site of its kind in the world. A ranking achieved by the hard work of good honest people who trusted you, who were there for people they did not even know, day after day for YEARS. You used that effort to shit on them.
As I said at the time, I hope whatever they promised you was worth it. I really hope that prize was worth hurting other people over.
Anyway, don't be surprised to see both your names up in print with my very un-ambiguous opinion of you. And you can do your best to try and explain the un-ambiguous end result of your work.
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-29 09:55:55
Yes good powerful unit.
Make sure you don't wind the hell out of it for no reason. Thinking the higher speeds are needed for results. They are not. If that is done, it should be gradual over a long period of time ( years )
Follow our Pivotal program best you can. Use pics and read instructions.
Note: The company itself is in hiatus. So still a good machine, but I have no idea about its future.
Tina
Posted On:2017-10-28 08:34:15
Hi
I am looking at a gravity plus 2nd hand machine for sale
Has not been used for 4 years but serviced a month ago
Want to exercise for half an hour each day doing squats planks etc
Would this be suitable
John Weatherly
Posted On:2017-10-22 15:47:29
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-15 12:08:02
More good news ? Well it depends how you look at it.
A vibration-based therapy being trialed in Auckland could help young people with cerebral palsy.
The concept of whole-body vibration training sounds remarkably simple: a person stands on a specially-designed vibration plate, creating a see-saw movement that stimulates a pattern similar to walking.
This is thought to improve communication between the muscles and spine, aiding balance and co-ordination.
The family of Luke Torrens Kelly admitted they were "somewhat sceptical" when he joined a clinical trial of the therapy at Auckland University's Liggins Institute.
"Luke has had many therapies in the past and it is often hard to judge whether or not they have any effect," the 13-year-old's mother, Tracey Torrens, said.
It turned out that the vibration therapy was fun and easy for Luke, who is at the mild end of the spectrum, and caused him to gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months.
Luke was one of 40 people with cerebral palsy, aged 11 to 20, in the trial, which showed vibration therapy increased strength and mobility.
Now the same therapy will be trialled in younger children thanks to a grant of $390,000 over three years from the Jubilee Crippled Children Foundation.
Researchers aim to recruit 40 children aged 5 to 10 years with mild to severe cerebral palsy and general musculoskeletal disability.
They will also investigate the feasibility of using vibration therapy in under-5s at high risk of neuromuscular problems, and the effects of shorter sessions for adolescents.
Jubilee also funded the original research, along with the Sir David Levene Foundation.
"Together, these studies will identify who will benefit the most from vibration therapy and what is the best protocol - frequency and duration - according to their health and age," said study leader and Liggins research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso.
"Our hope is that our research will enable practitioners to develop new physical therapy programmes tailored for individual kids and young adults which incorporate vibration therapy alongside other tools, giving these young people the most benefits possible."
In the original trial, which was the biggest and most rigorous of its kind to date, participants stood on the vibration plate for nine minutes a day, four times a week.
Vibration therapy helped Luke Torrens Kelly gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months. Photo / Supplied
After 20 weeks of training, they showed clear benefits: increased bone and muscle mass, and improved day-to-day functioning and quality of life, with some parents reporting fewer falls, better mood, boosted confidence, and greater manoeuvrability.
Some children walked 30 per cent further in a six-minute walk test - a big difference for them.
The findings, published last year, attracted international attention.
"I had parents from around the world asking for more details, or saying thank you for doing research in this area, which is quite humbling," Gusso said.
Many asked where to buy the special vibration plate, which cost $5000-$6000 and was much different from the standard muscle-toning plates sold at malls.
Waitakere College in West Auckland, one of the high schools involved in the original trial, were now looking at getting one.
Liggins Institute research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso, with one of the special plates used in the trial. Photo / Supplied
"Many of our students in the trial had improved bone density, muscle mass and some impressive improvements in their walking speed, which can make a huge functional difference in their lives as they can better keep up with their peers," said Fleur White, a paediatric physiotherapist at the school.
The research team has since also trialled the therapy in young people with more severe cerebral palsy, and with general musculoskeletal disability, with results due in 2018.
Cerebral palsy, a group of movement disorders, is the most common cause of physical disability in childhood, affecting two in 1000 children.
It's caused by abnormal development or damage to parts of the brain that control movement, balance and posture.
Children with the disorders have reduced muscle and bone mass, and muscles that normally work in complementary action will simultaneously go into spasm, making movement difficult, and leading to muscle wasting over time.
About half of children have a raised risk of bone fractures, partly because their muscles aren't pulling on their bones in the normal way to promote healthy bone development.
Until now, treatments to relieve the condition's effects have been fairly limited: injection of botox, surgery, passive stretching by physiotherapists and injection of bisphosphonates to increase bone density.
The information these Children and their Parents really need to know.
This is in my opinion nothing short of a scam. Not the technology and idea, but the sales based company behind it.
Similar trials have been done where the parents are told after the trial, ( which is always successful, because it is an exact copy of other research already done ) that to continue their children's VT Therapy they MUST purchase a machine worth $5000.
Not giving full disclosure on 2 important points that any parent in this situation would want to know.
(1) That free training has been available for ALL people with disabilities at a dedicated VT center in Auckland for 15 years now, and other such places around the country. With some of the machines especially designed to cater to people with disabilities.
And by free, it means free for life. And when possible, we give away similar devices to those in need. To date. 92 units.
Pivotal and Lineal units are utilized.
(2) Other Pivotal brands of machines that are suitable for this therapy, are available here in N.Z. and Australia and much cheaper. Some are even more suited due to their design. Depending on the stage of the disability.
The sales people say they are the only ones capable of building a machine with certain Frequencies and Amplitudes.....this is simply not true. And has not been true for a good decade. Everyone involved in this technology is well aware of this fact.
Robyn
Posted On:2017-10-10 12:45:15
Hi thanks for getting back to me 1200.00 tops
thanks Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-10-05 17:43:27
Robyn...
Not forgotten you, still looking. Be patient and something good will come up.
How much you willing to spend.
Robyn
Posted On:2017-10-02 09:51:10
Hi thanks for your response I live in Hawkes Bay
Regards Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-09-28 18:26:30
Robyn
Am looking on TradeMe for you as to see what is available.
Technically most machines can give some results. But quality and other features I can spot can help me find you something good.
Hi Im just wanting some advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming. I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up, I also have low bone density, so hoping that this could also help. There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for I am in New Zealand.
Many thanks Robyn
Robyn
Posted On:2017-09-27 08:53:06
Hi Im just wanting sime advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming. I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up. There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for
Many thanks Robyn
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work
Posted On:2017-09-23 10:30:51
The 3G Cardio AVT. is a Medium Energy Lineal unit. ( as per the review section ) We don't actually name many brands, and they change sticker / names often. Because there are thousands of simply made up names, an actual description is much more practical and educational.
Eg.......3G Cardio.....even though it is purely designed for anaerobic activity ? .
So as long as you follow a strict program, you will both get results. ( you will both do the same program. As it is designed to change body composition and function which is what you both need / want )
Follow the program to the best of your ability. As you will learn quickly, the difference in the right or wrong pose, is in inches.
You could use the machine regularly, and without the right program. It can be a waste of time and money.
VCW
Posted On:2017-09-22 04:35:00
I am considering buying a 3G Cardio AVT. This machine has not been mentioned in any of the posts that I have read so far. I am a complete novice and need some good advice. I have poor bone density and my husband has diabetes. Help, please.
Cali
Posted On:2017-09-01 15:49:11
Sorry I should have done a better job of reading the other comments. There really is a lot of great information on here. Thank you
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