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Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you.Please Note: Most of the frequently asked questions we have had over the years have their own article already.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-29 17:20:13
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A great little article on CrossFit ....
http://erinsimmonsfitness.me/2014/04/17/why-i-dont-do-crossfit/
As predicted. Lack of discipline and greed is destroying their industry. Real fitness experts are speaking out.
Of course some of the CrossFit "experts" are only now coming out and saying things need tightening up.
Too late. They sold out. Another great idea destroyed by marketers.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-29 14:10:57
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This is the real enemy of the Pivotal industry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCOr0xdbdBo
This has been watched by Millions of people. Only your best efforts can possibly fix the damage that has been done.
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dhyanafromgravityhq |
Posted On:2014-05-28 23:18:56
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Hi everyone in vibration world,
Dhyana here from Gravityhq,
I had to sit quietly with my purpose for being in this industry before responding to Di’s words about me, particularly the below cut and paste from her post.
You are quoting client’s experience that I consider are the extremes – the few, not the many. I could do this with my marathon running expertise, the 72 year old that beats all the young ones (he’s trained all his life and is usually a farmer who does physical work 7 days a week)
On record – I do not consider your recommendations for pivotal training – up to 17-25Hz standing upright (and for 70-95 year olds) – to be safe, effective training. I take your statement to mean static, lock legged or minorly knee relaxed – not a squat in any form and no movement, as you use the word “ Stand
I was at first a little offended, and wanted to respond or ignore accordingly. However as I contemplated, I remembered that my reason for building this machine with my partner was to help people reach a level of health and fitness that they may otherwise have never found possible.
I remembered that this has been a part of my purpose since I was 16 and started studying sport science at school, and no matter what I have done since personally or in business has been driven by this. So when I re-thought over Di’s motivation, I have to assume she is coming from the same position.
So even though I thoroughly disagree with the comments, and I will be addressing that momentarily, I can support hers and Lloyds journey because they are also doing their best to help people which is why they have such strong opinions. It has not been an easy battle so well done guys on your support of the industry as a whole.
BUT I do want you to understand that we are here to stay and to be a part of that industry. We have a whole lot to offer in the pivotal vibration world and we have a passion that while not quite as outspoken as Lloyd’s (bless him) is matched in integrity and love of genuinely helping people.
SO about standing at 17hz – anyone reading Di’s comments on this, please re-read my whole posts before you pass judgement. You will see a theme.
· Start where you are at… Build from there
· While higher speeds are in the long run more effective for training and for rehab you may have to start lower and build up to it. but by lower I mean over 12hz (anything under 12 is a lovely massage and nice for balance and mild circulation only – but massage doesn’t rebuild strength, joint function, help with tone or metabolism long term really, does it?)
· Listen to your body – it never lies to you
· Direct quote from my post “If you are serious about fat loss on vibration machines, get serious about doing more than just standing.”
· Adding functional movement adds to the value of the vibration machine results
Etc…see the theme?
For most customers of Gravityhq Standing at 17 Hz or higher is not out of the norm at all. Over 80% of people (and most of my peeps are over 50 with many over 70) I see are able to at least start at 17 for a couple of minutes, and then vary the speeds to make up the ten minutes.
Our plate movement is smoother even though it is dynamic, and to reduce intensity, feet are simply moved in closer together so muscle use can be maintained at the higher speeds, thus increasing the ability to stay longer at 17hz and gain the great results of that.
Over a period of weeks or months feet can be moved to hip width and will build to do their 10 minutes over 17 easily as their body adapts.
This is what happens. Not a repetition of old data, but taken from real experience.
Just because it is not how you have used it, or like it personally, does not make it that way for everyone.
I am all about functional, healthy bodies and would never do anything to jeopardize somebody’s health. So of course we recommend movement on the machine for long term results (ask any of my customers) , however, in my experience, when a person is forced to fight their mindset at the start of a program of change physically, they tend to fall off the wagon more easily.
We encourage not to “fight” the simplicity that standing will help, but rather encourage people at least to begin something, and then lead to the “next step” which is where the real physical changes happen fast.
This “allows change” on more levels and doesn’t try force it.
“Movement is everything” is one of our company catch phrases, and over a hundred times a day at an expo I will repeat a version of the phrase “just standing will give you postural strength, tone and some balance, but if you want fat loss or functional movement increase, then you must add at least some squats. Nothing but functional movement creates better functional movement so just do it”
Seriously, that’s what I say.
There is a purpose and function behind all of what I say, so that is why my blogs end up so long. It really is time to put my manual of training together isn’t it…
Anyway, that’s my two bobs worth for this week
Happy vibrating and great results to all of you, no matter which style you do.
And Di and Lloyd, keep up the good work. Lloyd your chat helped me with some perspective of what we are here doing, and reminded me that many of us are really on the same team.
Cheers
Dhyana
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-25 11:44:05
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I had a conversation with someone who still works with Power Plate the other day. He questioned the fake specification issue ( the machines did not operate as advertised even with no weight on it )
He asked why some of the research results were useless ...... Mainly weight loss.
Well these statements by David Basset-Jones who did studies on the Power Plate in 2005 for Power Plate , should help clear things up ........
“As far as having “engineering reports” done on machines, I would argue that it is the ethical responsibility of the manufacturer to do this testing and report the results. The blame is not on the researchers but the manufactures ”
“As far as my ( Power Plate ) study in 2005, we only measured the accelerations (which were different than the manufacturer’s claimed accelerations). This was done without an individual standing on the plate.”
” I also feel that there are some researchers (myself included) that would like to perform product testing so that consumers can be informed of the true specs.”
“We are testing it loaded and unloaded. Believe it or not, you are not the only one who has wondered if the Power Plate, being made of a softer material than steel, affects the vibration characteristics.”
“I agree that all plates should be tested before (and while, to go above and beyond) they are being used for a research study…..I can only wish that I thought of this prior to doing this study”
“I am more concerned about the errors/limitations of my research than you are. This was years of planning, testing, and analyzing that I put in to this project. I could not account for limitations in the study that I was not aware of at that time.”
It is important to note. Hundreds of studies were done with fake machines from Power Plate. And yes everyone knew their was performance problems with the machines. But greed over science won.
By 2004 they knew the issue was serious. But instead of fixing the machines or even warning the public, researchers. They covered it up with intimidation, payoffs and legal threats.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-23 20:23:17
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Well it seems as though CrossFit numbers are falling rapidly. As predicted. ( got a few boxes close to me )
They are doing a big marketing push in N.Z. via "articles" mainly trying to convince people it is safe.
But too little too late CrossFit. You let the undisciplined fanatics loose because it helped create marketing hype. You are about to find out what the real price of that was.
Shame.... Because it was a great idea. But greed got in the way.
Same story, different sellouts....
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/pilates-marketers-disaster
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-18 11:16:02
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A note to the readers ...
Di Heap mentioned if a named source of information was a HyperVibe rep. The reason for this was because HyperVibe and some of its sales team made a decision some time ago to "infer" its competitions machine could give you eye and brain damage.
They made it as part of their official marketing online, put links on their own web pages and told this to people at expo stands.
Despite the scientific evidence pointing out it was not only safe for people to use, but people who had life threatening issues could use them safely.
Some people who could of gotten help. Shy-ed away from this technology thanks to these peoples greed driven scare tactic marketing.
We even had reports of disabled people being told this, even though we have been offering our service for free for 10 years with the backing of Doctors and Physio, Osteopaths. .
The owner of GarvityHQ ( the one Dhyana is representing on this board Gravityhq.co.nz ) called me personally and informed me they would not be involved in this evil marketing tactic. So massive respect for them. They disagreed and spoke out.
Others who kept silent and went along with it. Will never be forgiven by those of us who take this technology seriously. It is clear Greed is the only part of dis-a-Greed they understand.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil is for cowards or conmen.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-15 15:43:12
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To the Pivotal industry in general...
The "standing on the machine for 10 mins, and wobble your fat off" idea is literally the #1 reason why people do not take the Vibration Training industry seriously.
We have all seen those adverts on TV. We all know the damage it has done. You should not take this subject lightly with a "my opinion is " stance.
Actual damage to our industries image will trump someones opinion every time.
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-51---60/infomercial-fitness-instructor-spills-the-beans
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2014-05-15 13:35:12
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GarvityHQ/Dhyana
You are quoting client’s experience that I consider are the extremes – the few, not the many. I could do this with my marathon running expertise, the 72 year old that beats all the young ones (he’s trained all his life and is usually a farmer who does physical work 7 days a week)
On record – I do not consider your recommendations for pivotal training – up to 17-25Hz standing upright (and for 70-95 year olds) – to be safe, effective training. I take your statement to mean static, lock legged or minorly knee relaxed – not a squat in any form and no movement, as you use the word “ Stand”.
Also promoting weight-loss by just standing on a pivotal machine is, in my opinion, nonsense.
You might like to ask Galileo to tell you why they didn’t release the studies they did on this! And why, once they moved more into the health sector they quickly shut down all talk of fat loss/weight loss by standing up on the machines only.
Your colleague, Richie – is he part of the company that said people would get brain damage or death from training on lineal machines? I don’t want to make a mistake so wont accuse, but I distrust anyone associated with that company.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-15 12:41:49
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We think we know who Richie is, but please if using a name as a reference for "expert" advice, use a full name.
This board is here for consumer trust. Full disclosure is the only way this can happen.
This is described below in a statement from a colleague Ritchie
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-15 12:35:02
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Sorry but this goes against everything I preach about Vibration Trainiing and weight loss.
"10 minutes ....zero effort ..... fantastic results "
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Gravityhq |
Posted On:2014-05-15 00:51:13
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“So what settings are safe and advisable to use on Pivotal Machines – “Lock legged” or “Just standing”??? Di Heap
Hey guys,
In response to Di’s question and her post in general: I certainly agree that clarification is needed on many areas of vibration training, and it is only in pivotal training that I claim any expertise in this area.
I have done a variety of work with clients as a trainer my own business, as a trainer for nurses and physios in aged care facilities (where the residents and clients aged anywhere from 70 to 95 can stand from 17-25 Hz on our machine safely and comfortably with amazing results)
I help teach Physios, Doctors and Chiropractors the application of pivotal vibration in their clinics with clients ranging from sports professionals to aged care. I teach personal trainers how to use the machine in their studios and gyms.
And I do have a certificate, (the only one available) in pivotal vibration training.
Now I only say all of this, not to blow my own horn, but to assure the readers out there that I am by no means new to vibration training and my opinions on it are based on these years of experience in many and varied environments.
My background is health and my passion is sharing that. This passion is what drove my partner and I to build the Gravity Revolution for you.
Now I spend many of my weekends doing free demonstrations of our machine at home shows and also showing some simple and effective ways to use the machine to suit some very individual needs.
This is where most of you will meet me now, but only so I can spread into the homes of as many people as possible, this wonderful way of adding to the good health of some bodies that may have given up hope of ever exercising again.
So to address the question….
So what settings are safe and advisable to use on Pivotal machines.
(While we are talking sweeping statements I need to first remind everybody, that every person is different, and while over 80% of people I see can easily and comfortably do the following, some need to build up to it.
As I have said in other articles on this forum, START WHERE YOU ARE AT….however this doesn’t mean stop there.)
So in my experience, “Just standing” at 17 hz is not only safe, but highly recommended! (Especially on the “machine I use”)
Use it as a goal to achieve if your current ability cannot quite get there. And remember the following golden rules on pivotal.
· If normal standing (feet under hips not shoulders) is uncomfortable, then narrow the stance bringing your feet together, this will ease the g’s effect on your body, but allow you to reach the higher speeds, inviting a much higher level of muscle proprioception than the lower speeds. (it is not all about the G’s, but it is all about activating muscle at high rates)
· If it hurts (sharp pain) for goodness sake, reduce the speed or do the above and move your feet closer!!! LISTEN TO YOUR BODY PEOPLE…. IT SAYS OUCH FOR A REASON it may mean it is too fast right at the moment, but in a couple of weeks, try it again, I encourage you to explore this. It is only by asking the body for more that it can respond to that new demand, and respond it will, in time, to any exercise, and in less time to correct vibration training.
· Bend the knees a little if your upper back and neck are moving too intensely at the higher speeds. (actually on our machine the higher speeds are smoother and much more therapeudic than the lower which we use for just massage and balance) bending the knees does a multitude of things for you (and this point will answer the locked leg thing too…) ONE – it adds your knee and ankle joints as suspension to the movement, smoothing out the feeling in the neck and head. TWO – it is moving you in a direction of doing a squat. J Always recommended for many reasons. Though it may be just a gentle bend, it is a step in the right direction for what all bodies need – functional strong thighs, and mobile supported knees. THREE – when moving between the two (straight legged and bent) you allow the hips to adapt and the core to activate better which will support the change of the reason your head and neck may feel uncomfortable in the first place.
· THE REASON for the above: your hips, and the muscles in your lower back and across the top of the pelvic bone are too tight and your core may be not talking to you like it should. This causes the movement to release up higher, when in fact that nice wobbly movement is meant to be absorbed by the hips.
This is described below in a statement from a colleague Ritchie. Ritchie has a training studio and has been specializing in pivotal vibration in his training for a good six years. I asked him his opinion on the use of higher speeds at 17hz or above and he says:
“17hz standing to a half squat on a commercial tilting platform using a moderate amplitude , would be considered safe for the majority of users. In fact I use a much higher 26hz in my senior classes. Moving from a squat to strengthen the legs to a pause at the top to strengthen the core / pelvic area. I have an 80!yr old that uses the 26hz protocol…”
We in the industry, in fact in any industry have varied opinions on different things. And I just wanted to share mine with you.
Maybe you cant immediately cope with above 17hz, but it is a point to aim for, and when you get there, aim higher. Because for the very reason this conversation arose on this site, you will actually be able to burn a little fat by just standing.
And my comment that Di pointed out “We all know the body burns fat better when your circulation, spinal structure and core support, lymph draining and muscle tone are improved and have seen over and over how “just standing” (at a high speed over 17 Hz) will help with all of these, without the EFFORT of mental concentration or drive, or the ability to squat low or do a pushup or the need”.
I still hold to this – I have seen it too often not to.
Cheers everyone and keep vibrating safely!
Dhyana
Gravityhq.co.nz
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-10 11:19:55
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12hz max is good. With upper body positions on Pivotal it is all about control. Not Hyper stimulation.
I will explain as there are two main factors involved in upper body training and Vibration Training
(1) Comfort . control.... Be it Lineal or Pivotal. The human body just has a kind of resonance to it . Frequencies that just "feel" right.
High Speed Pivotal on upper body poses break both those rules.
(2) Results....
But you have to turn it up to 22hz + to get the best results, Right ? NO.
The reason..... Vibration Training is at its essence replicating climbing. The different body parts only come under so many g-forces during climbing . And with Pivotal all being about G-Forces, it is important to fully appreciate these concepts....
Average climbing forces.....
Eg.... Brachiation - Swinging on a branch ( arms / shoulders ) ..is usually 3 g. Power and control . Not a lot of speed required.
Jumping and landing ( legs ) I meter drop is 6 g. Big hit. Over in the blink of an eye. Raw power and speed.
Re balancing ( core ) only about 2. g More about small slightly slower contractions.
.I know this is a bit confusing. Because it contradicts some of the "expert" advice given by the likes of Galileo. Which is to simply run the machine on high for the best results. ( which a lot of Pivotal companies parrot )
But that is all BS marketing based on the fact at the time they had the only machine that could run fast. And nothing to do with the discipline of Vibration Training.
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BK |
Posted On:2014-05-10 00:55:58
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Di Heap,
I recently purchased a CV9 Vibration Machine as I took yours and Lloyds advice. I would like to know what are the optimum frequencies for the push up, triceps dip, and abdominal poses.
Thank you in advance.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-09 13:17:28
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To help clarify my stance, these are the clear instructions on my Pivotal Safety Program and it is what we follow in the studio ...
Standing Therapy ... ( low - medium speed )
This is a Vibration Therapy pose. A very good warm-up for the exercise program and an overall wellness position.
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Feet hip width apart, perfectly straight.
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Hold onto handle bar lightly.
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Legs locked or slightly bent depending on comfort levels.
Please note: This program was overseen by Mike Hair. The first person in the world to open and successful run a Pivotal Studio with large fast machines. Where lots of people lost weight. Also one of the few people I know to have lost weight personally using these machines.
Weight loss just standing up..... ?
The theory of this could be discussed all day. And it has been for years by more than a few companies and academics. But to date I have not seen this happen. Even on people who own very good quality Pivotal devices.
So if it is happening, it is in such small hidden % of the population , and it is so inconsistent, I believe it is highly unethical to even mention it to the average person looking at using a Pivotal machine mainly for weight loss.
Mainly for weight loss....... Yes that is right. to fight obesity.
If a potential customer openly says they want to use a machine mainly for weight loss. A very clear request. ( not circulation , bone density, lymphatic drainage etc. which are the side effects they will get with their workout ... ) If that person is suffering from obesity to any degree, this no longer becomes just a wellness sale. This is someones life.
It is our responsibility to make sure there is ZERO confusion about the recommended poses.
Note: I have therapy positions that are done on my big machines that help with circulation , bone density, lymphatic drainage massage, etc.... . I also have weight loss and workout poses. In over a decade I can honestly say, not a single person has left my studio " confused" on the subject. Even if they come in confused, they leave very well informed.
Some do not like that information. They wanted me to lie to them and say it would be zero work and easy.. But I wont. Because I know I would be setting them up for failure. Setting them up to die.
To make that clear..... Anyone leaving a Vibration Training stand or studio still "confused" on this subject is the direct results of an unethical salesperson or trainer. It is not a mistake or a mixture of opinions. Everyone has had time to decide which side they want to be on... marketers or health science.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2014-05-09 10:47:49
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Pivotal Vibration Machines and Just Standing Still
I think we need more clarification on this so hopefully Lloyd will add some more info – or even a full article.
I read below (Lloyd) – “I used our Pivotal machines yesterday ( Lock legged position only ) on 4 people using my studio. It was indeed the best and safest thing they could do”
And in a post a little below, Dhyana writes – “We all know the body burns fat better when your circulation, spinal structure and core support, lymph draining and muscle tone are improved and have seen over and over how “just standing” (at a high speed over 17 Hz) will help with all of these, without the EFFORT of mental concentration or drive, or the ability to squat low or do a pushup or the need”.
So what settings are safe and advisable to use on Pivotal Machines – “Lock legged” or “Just standing”???
- given that I have 3 very different Pivotal machines in the studio there’s more about this than simply the speed/frequency. I have one machine here that I can happily stand on at 22Hz and another that I never, ever exceed 8Hz when standing fully upright, lock legged. The 3rd machine is a very small one and it doesn’t exceed about 8Hz but standing upright on it for more than a few minutes gives me a headache and makes me feel sea-sick.( Lloyd experienced this sensation on a bigger, heavier pivotal some time ago). I could answer my own question and say that for me it’s the amplitude that along with the speed makes a difference and of course there’s also the machine quality – the platform that I can stand upright on (and I do often) at 22Hz has very low amplitude and is a quality machine (no longer manufactured). Add in also weight of the individual user and there’s a lot that needs to be considered when prescribing a program for a client on a pivotal machine.
I will say here, I doubt I could do “just standing” at 17Hz, on the pivotal machines Dhyana is using – not saying someone else couldn’t and I’ve seen it done at a Trade Show on a different brand. I scolded the salesperson as I consider it unadvisable and the salesperson was showing off, they admitted it’s not what they promote to buyers of their machines.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-05-08 12:15:21
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I used our Pivotal machines yesterday ( Lock legged position only ) on 4 people using my studio. It was indeed the best and safest thing they could do.
Here is an older post you can look back on in the forum to give you an idea on the normal progression...
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Roya |
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Hi all, i would like to let whoever out there that is suffering from Multiple Sclerosis know that i started in september this year to going to Vibratrain and with Lloyds supervision did 3 times a week starting with a pivotal vibration therapy machine and graduating to vibration training.
Even with 3 months doing vibration i am amazed at the results and i need to thank Lloyd for his encouraging attitude and always being available to answer any questions i have. I searched the internet to see if anyone with MS had shared their experience with vibration on a long term basis but could not find any.
I am indebted to lloyd for making his machines available to people with serious illness free of charge regardless of their financial circumstances. I started with the pivotal vibration therapy for 3 minutes just standing up, and gradually built it up to 10 minutes. After reaching that level moved to vibration training machine and hope to do the full exercise which is 10 x 1 minute poses in 2 to 3 months time. In terms of my illness nothing is more important than hope and seeing some results in such short time.
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Dhyana GravityHQ |
Posted On:2014-05-07 19:51:54
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Dhyana again,
I read Lloyds comment about the hypervibe and would like to say that sadly this is true.
I generally don’t like to comment on anything but the positive in our industry…but there is a time and a place sometimes.
Like Lloyd, I have been doing this a while and actually know Mr Seaton and spent time working with his home version of the machine years ago.
He got a government grant to build from scratch a new supposedly amazing vibration machine and has never put it out to the public yet. This was five years ago and while no machine, there has been plenty of marketing on the website of his all this time, making their company look great and cutting edge.
Personal respect aside, when you advertise something and take tax payers money to invest in it you have an obligation to the public to provide what they have paid you to do.
On the personal side, we have been attacked on many levels by this company and this person very specifically – however we too, like Lloyd, put our own money into building a professional grade machine from scratch and are proud and happy to be sharing it with you.
Thanks Lloyd for allowing people to know the stories behind the scenes, if it came from us it may sound like sour grapes, even when it is just the facts.
This guy makes it sound like his performance machine was designed by him, if it was why is it that half a dozen different factories can put out exactly the look of his machine. The design was already an “off the shelf” Chinese model that he has simply tweaked internally to make it better.
AND back in the day Lloyd threatened to expose the guys company for making untrue claims about their machine unless they changed the specs and just after, they started to do the tweaking.
So it is not built, or designed from scratch in Australia (but with the tweaks he has done – respectfully, it is better than the many machines that look just like it.)
And he has the Gall to bag out any other machine that stands up against his….
OK, So – gripe all sorted, let’s get back to doing what we do well, helping people feel and look healthy and strong and have a body that loves to play….
Cheers
Dhyana
Gravityhq
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dhyana |
Posted On:2014-05-07 16:55:51
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Gravityhq.co.nz
Hi Everyone,
I just want to have a discussion about the whole vibration training and fat loss topic.
The Gravityhq team as a whole prefer to focus on the complete HEALTH of the person’s body, when communicating how vibration training helps.
We try to reduce the huge emphasis on fat loss generally(society has done enough of that in the media) and direct people to how to use vibration training for your overall wellbeing and the higher function of your body. (A leaner body is often healthier but not necessarily)
When we do a show or expo, about 80% of the people ask about fat loss, but on top of that, they usually share the “why”. Why do I – the individual – have so much fat and fluid?
The scope for how to burn fat is huge and the variables immense and should always deal with the cause an individual has found their body in the condition it is in.
· Stress,
· boredom,
· depression,
· shock,
· worry,
· fatigue
All these affect how well you metabolize fat, yes, but on top of that, these issues effect motivation and drive, to move, to play, to live.
· Arthritis,
· joint degeneration,
· injury
· back pain
· disease
All these affect how well a body can move and restrict what can be done in the immediate moment, as far as doing the “exercises” on your vibration machine.
For people like this, “just standing” may be the only doable action, and it is a vast step up from what they currently do in many cases.
We all know the body burns fat better when your circulation, spinal structure and core support, lymph draining and muscle tone are improved and have seen over and over how “just standing” (at a high speed over 17 Hz) will help with all of these,
without the EFFORT of mental concentration or drive, or the ability to squat low or do a pushup or the need
OF course this is
The fact is, at the right speed, all the muscle you need to hold your body upright, will be contracting and stretching at the speed of the plate via the triggering of the stretch reflex. This includes the big glutes and quads in the legs, but also tiny spinal muscle and pelvic floor and internal core. This does burn energy (fat) and much more than just standing around.
So for some people who may have a very sedentary life prior to using vibration training, we have seen fat loss results where minimal movement was used (although always encouraged) and high speeds held.
It does reach a point and level out very quickly though when all the “fluid” you have been holding is released and when your body adapts to consistent use, you MUST ADD MOVEMENT to get to the next level of fat loss and long term metabolism increase.
If you are serious about fat loss on vibration machines, get serious about doing more than just standing.
It is still a hell of a lot easier than spending hours at the gym doing weights for the same results!
Especially if you also have joint issues or pain.
I tell all my clients, to “START WHERE YOU ARE AT, AND WORK FROM THERE”
So if you can’t see yourself pumping out a squat or 4 in the beginning, then don’t. Right now, for you just standing is enough, but do understand that it will make your body feel stronger, and healthier, and happier, and your body will ask for more movement at some point.
That is the best time to push yourself into adding the movement part. (Because it then becomes fun and less of a chore.) Seriously! It becomes a fun challenge to squat better than you could last week, a pleasure to add in some core work and to tone your arms.
It is all a process, and feeling good, more often than not, leads us to the whole looking good thing too. So feel good first, and let that lead you to the next level of fitness and health. That’s where our heads are at at Gravityhq.
Enjoy the changes that “just standing” will give you and be aware that when your body asks for “more” we will supply you with the “how to do that” in our support.
Whenever current customers see us again at a show, they always enjoy the step up in technique to help get more again.
Have a great day everyone and keep vibrating.
dhyana
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John |
Posted On:2014-05-03 16:56:19
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I am thankful for the IVTRB. Hopefully this can stop unethical companies like Power Plate being Corporate Sponsors for organizations like the NSCA.
John T. Weatherly
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2014-05-02 13:40:35
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Someone from BetterBacks Australia – a company that sells home machines (mostly at shows and fairs) and makes all sorts of outlandish claims about their machines (I’ve been at shows and seen them) – tried to sabotage the Wiki Page by writing in a link to their website saying “see the best examples of machines on the market today”
Their link has been removed by a Wikipedia Moderator as it’s not allowed and the username they chose has been banned.
AND – they’re going onto our Blacklist. No one who is part of the IVTRB (International Vibration Training Regulatory Body) or this website will ever recommend them – not even for home machines for therapy use which their machines can work well for.
The lesson in this is – Don’t bite the hand that feeds you! – The more accurate information there is available about Vibration Machines and their uses, the more we all benefit.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-04-29 14:10:39
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My third comment......
To Pivotal companies still promoting the standing upright position as a weight loss program.
It has become apparent, that although these operators will stand in front of me and admit there is no way on earth ( or in space for that matter ) this position can help someone lose weight..... Aka.. That it is a purely THERAPY position....
...... They are still showing people this position at shopping malls and health expos, stating it WILL help them lose weight.
This lie has been the #1 enemy of our industry for many years. And all those who continued to perpetrate this lie are our #1 enemy. Despite me doing my best to get some companies to stop this unethical practice. They resort back to it continually , all in the name of greed and an easy sale to a desperate customer.
The time for excuses is over. The time for thinking they will learn to be honest is over.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-04-27 12:25:40
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The second comment is directed at VibroGym...
A company I once respected and thought would help our industry get over the joke Power Plate became.
When Power Plate went backwards in design into plastic and unreliable electronics , I wanted VibroGym to move forward. The present design was Ok, but with it basically being a direct copy of Dr Bosco's older test unit ( 80 x 40 ), it seemed logical to redesign it for our new studio high foot traffic environment.
Eg.... Old design was small rectangle 80 x 40, and quite low to the ground ( making most recommended poses difficult ) I released my own larger version. Based on user / trainer feedback / common sense and new knowledge.
Did Vibra-Train I get thanked. NO. VibroGym actually put someone on a plane to New Zealand ( Dan Fivey ) in an attempt to sabotage my company. And by sabotage, I mean actually walking into my studios and telling the owners my new design would "hurt people" and quote " the new shape can not work " Adding.... "if you want to stay in business, you must use our machines " .
They managed to scare a few people too.
Now up to this point I thought we were "friends" to a degree. I was their biggest supporter. And I was not in retail. So I still have no idea what their problem was. But hey they are entitled to their "opinion' right ?
Except....... Now in 2014, a decade later, they have released a new machine shape and guess what . It is pretty much exactly what I released. To the inch. Check it out for yourself...
http://vibrogym.com/en/#products
http://www.vibra-train.com/machines.html
Wonder if I will get an apology....... Either way it is hard to respect a company so aggressively resistant to innovation.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-04-26 12:06:53
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On the eve of a very cool announcement, I would like to reflect on why I do not trust most industry players.
This one directed at HyperVibe of Australia. In particular Mr Murray Seaton. You loudly proclaim to the world over half a decade ago, you had designed and built a fully Australian made machine from scratch. I told you, I would respect you immensely if that was the truth.
I understand you even took public money to make this happen.
After delay after excuse, you prance into my studio some years ago claiming it was "a month away".
If your word is your bond My Murray Seaton , you word is meaningless...... you are in my opinion a FAKE.
Important point...... I managed to design and build my first prototype model in 4 months. for $6,000. Funding it all myself. That prototype went into production soon after. And is still being used now to run studios 10 years later.
I did not take one cent off the taxpayer.
It is my understanding you took approx 24 times that amount of money and time to come up with NOTHING.
So that is how much respect you get.
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dhyana |
Posted On:2014-04-16 18:00:42
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Hello vibration training world,
Dhyana from Gravityhq here.
Gravityhq just did the show at Hamilton with the Gravity Revolution. It was fun as always, and as well as talking to new customers we heard from many of our old customers and helped them with their ongoing questions.
Each time we do this there is a wave of similar questions from a range of different people. It is an odd phenomenon, but what we will endeavour to do is not only answer the questions on the stand, but put them forward online to help other people with the same thoughts.
The common question this show has been similar to the following: “ with all the best intention in the world, why am I not motivated enough to use my vibration machine daily–EVEN THOUGH IT ONLY TAKES AROUND TEN MINUTES A DAY!!?”
There is an answer and it is NOT because we are lazy. Also, there are some simple steps to help get over it too.
My personal training background originated in the “go hard or go home” arena.
In fact, I would fire clients who would not work hard enough for me!
LIFE has a way of developing us and building our character in unusual ways, and through a series of painful and uncomfortable events, I learned that this approach is actually often more harmful than helpful in the true “HEALTH” of the human body and mind.
I now focus on allowing change in the body by providing a progressive and uncomplicated “exercise” demand on it that doesn’t challenge my mental fatigue at any time of the day or night.
When people have a session with us at a show, they are often blown away with how their body feels after. They walk taller, feel lighter and can immediately see why they would want the Revolution at home – THEN they picture the treadmill, their exercise bike or rower that is gathering dust in the corner and wonder if this will end up the same way…
IF DONE THE FOLLOWING WAY, YOUR PIVOTAL VIBRATION TRAINING MACHINE WILL NEVER BECOME A CLOTHES HORSE OR DUST GATHERER IN THE CORNER!
So, QUESTION 1 : “how will I stay motivated to use my vibration machine when I am too tired after work for any exercise?”
This is a really simple one. Let’s imagine for the first week of having your new vibration machine at home that you are not even going to think about “exercise” on your machine, but you are going to use it to ease your drained body and just make yourself feel good.
EVERY DAY come home, dump your gear wherever, slip your shoes off and JUST MASSAGE your body. With our Revolution, customers love to literally lean on the handles (they are steel and can take the load)
Massage on a proper pivotal machine means below 12hz – don’t worry about programs, just on manual. That way you can change the speed yourself if your body wakes up and wants a little more…this does happen J
It can even mean just sitting – make sure you are as far back to the post as possible with your lower back touching the post, have your legs straight out in front, feet apart and just flop them. Go as long as you like on the most comfortable speed for you. Lean back, close your eyes and breathe.
**neither of these are actual exercise in the load bearing sense of the term, so do as little as 2 minutes and as many as 30 if you want in either of these positions. This is also great after other training for recovery by the way
By doing just this, you will feel great after every session and coming home to your machine becomes something you look forward to, not another chore to add to your busy day.
It is known as ANCHORING. And what we are anchoring in this situation is simply the following:
· When I get home from work, my vibration machine makes me feel better
· When I am feeling stressed, my vibration machine will ease me
· When I don’t have time – I can just do 2 minutes and still feel better
· My vibration machine helps me recover and ease my aches
You see?
Simple.
Now you have created a space that you no longer want to avoid. A space that becomes something you actually look forward too.
After about a week of this, your body will ask for more, then add the speeds (not movement yet) for another week or so, after which you may find your body asks for more of a challenge and you can add in the functional movements on your charts, or programs written for you.
You are now doing it because you want to, not because you have to, it is no longer a chore to use your machine, it is a pleasure.
And the “exercise” part (higher speeds and movement added) you only need every second day on a premium speed pivotal vibration machine.
Every other day is just about feeling good.
THIS IS HOW YOUR PIVOTALVIBRATION MACHINE IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER FITNESS EQUIPMENT AT HOME.
1. It is time effective
2. Results are really fast if used correctly
3. It is easy to do
4. You can do it in your socks and jammies (or your work gear if need be)
5. You will use it because you want to – not have to…
It won’t end up gathering dust, and your body will become better than ever with the consistent use.
Enjoy!
Cheers
And if you want to ask me questions specifically you can email me on info@gravityhq.co.nz also. (NOTE I am not a specialist in linear training – so just pivotal questions please)
i am happy to help
Dhyana
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2014-04-07 11:59:27
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A review on the LIFEBACK Vibration Therapy Pad.
This is a pure therapy unit – a small flat platform 40 x 30cm, about 5cm thick. It has a robust, rubberised surface and a carry handle for easily moving it (weighs about 6Kg). The LIFEBACK is used for gentle circulation and mobility help and to massage injured body parts (amongst other benefits). It gives vertical (lineal) vibration at 50Hz using 8 little motors in the platform. The timer can be set to 10 minutes and auto switches off. The LIFEBACK is available in Australia mostly (It can be available in New Zealand) and maybe other countries. I used a LIFEBACK a few years ago after I’d had surgery (for circulation to help with healing before I was fully mobile again).
Over the weekend I took a unit to another city to see if my elderly mother-in-law would use it. It’s ideal but explaining to an independent older lady that it would help her circulation and even improve bone density over time, knowing her I’d guessed she might not be very receptive. She believes she’s busy and okay and doesn’t need “help”. I encouraged her to put her feet on the pad whilst sitting in an armchair and she liked it. We thought though, she wouldn’t use once we’d left.
My husband’s brother visited. He’s a rural mail contractor and has back and shoulder aches from years of heavy lifting and driving a big van on rough unsealed roads. He asked if the LIFEBACK would help (he’s having physiotherapy and finding it hard to find time. He used the LIFEBACK pad for 10 minutes on his back, 10 minutes on one shoulder back (sitting on couch that has straight back, with a firm cushion under the pad to support it as he wasn’t comfortable lying down on the floor which would be another way), then 10 minutes into a painful area of one arm – he wanted more!
The pure vibration therapy was very effective at pain reduction, massage and relaxation of the always painful areas.
(Mother-in-law then wanted to use the LIFEBACK - thinking she was missing out, maybe?)
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-04-03 01:43:31
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Very hard to compare a Lineal from a Pivotal. You have to do some some "try before you buy " due diligence.
Note" Be vary wary of " pop up studios" that sell machines. They have a long tradition of just closing up one day with no warning and leaving town look for the next victims. Once they think sales have dried up from the customer base and complaints start coming in.
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David J |
Posted On:2014-04-02 17:44:26
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Lloyd,
Well the Zen Pro 6920 is the best I have found so far in any gym in the Portland area. If I buy a machine for home do you think the Cardiotech CV9 would be better than the Zen Pro 6920. Or do you recommend another machine.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-04-02 17:10:06
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David J...
Both products you mention would be considered home / light Pro work. Definitely not commercial.
To get any results you will need to know exactly what you are doing. Be very strict, and these results will be a lot slower than heavier units will give.
So not great. But could be worse.
Note: The Zen Pro 6920 would be comparable to a Power Plate.
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David J |
Posted On:2014-03-31 18:01:44
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I found a massage therapy studio in Portland Oregon that has both pivotal and lineal machines. The lineal machines are made by Power Vibe. Their models are Zen Pro 5910 an Zen Pro 6920. The pivotal machine is a Vibramax Pro 8. Please let me know if you have any opinions on these machines.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2014-03-28 18:23:00
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A word to the real Vibration Training community.
When being attacked by a member of the fitness community or an academic over the validity of what we are doing. Remember Dr William House's ( inventor of the cochlear implant ) favorite quote.....
"Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for."
The experts did everything they could to stop his work from being taken seriously. Make no mistake, if they had it their way, these scenes would never have happened ......
Search youtube ...... cochlear implant reactions
Always remember , we are the good guys. The people who do not want change are our ignorant / self endorsing experts / greed driven enemy. Never confuse them for people who genuinely want to help others.
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