Hi everyone, i been interested in vibration training for more than 4 years, saddly i havent been able to find a good WBM in the us, i would really appreciate if you could recomend me a GOOD one for home use, i want to use it for muscle toner and builder. im afraid there are so many brands around here and i dont want to end it up hurting myself.  my budget is btwn 5 to 8k.

i dream of VIBRATRAIN comig to this side of the world but not happening soon. power plate is the leader around here and its a shame.

hope you can help me.

kind regards,

dory

We cant fight obesity with dishonesty.

http://therussells.crossfit.com/2015/02/12/acsm-nsca-in-cahoots-with-richard-beddie/comment-page-1/#comment-1700

http://therussells.crossfit.com/2015/02/10/on-the-take-with-power-plate-part-1-by-john-weatherly/

Again. Thousands of "fake experts" giving out complete BS advice globally. That effected millions of peoples health and potentially killed or shortended the lives of millions.

But not one will be brought to account. Why is that ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11400012

Power Plate still out there making the industry look like a scam.

1. Diana Trimble said,

     

   It is bogus and the people above who are skeptical are correct. There is no scientific evidence for it and I demanded a refund from a studio near where I live after doing 5 of 12 sessions, feeling zero happening in any of my target zones and just soreness in stupid areas like the inner hip joint, from the over-stretching exercises the trainers did.

2.  I then did some research and found that there is absolutely no evidence to support the efficacy of this system. But my own experience means even more than that - I am an experienced exerciser and I know what it feels like to tone up. The fraudulent nature of the whole thing became even more clear when I realized that although their website said nothing about a nutritional theory, the trainers were totally pushing low-carb. They even went so far as to call the Slimtech suction treadmill (I did a package with that plus the Powerplate) a “low carb machine” - which is an obviously meaningless statement. Now if you do an extreme low carb diet, even with no exercise at all, you will still lose weight in the short-term. It looks like they were getting some people to lose weight in this way and then crediting the machine. I had no intention of doing the low carb diet and know for a fact that I can lose weight without doing that, just eating normally, and exercising enough.

3.  When I confronted them they banned me from the studio.

Thanks. The one I was looking at is called the portable model, but it looks like your criticisms apply to it equally as well, if not moreso.

Very helpful. I appreciate it. 

Oh, and cutting and pasting doesnt work either for me FWIW.

Thanks again.

PS....  Type up your message into another program ( eg  ..word or email ) and then you can post all characters.     

I am trying to find info on the company SDS Fitness. There is a portable machine which, based on what I have read here, might be too good to be true for the price. 

I cannot type links into this message box, but if you search the amazon.com USA site for 1500W SDS vibration, there is a dual motor device available for roughly 320US dollars including shipping. Amazon also carries an earlier, less powerful 500W SDS model which has gotten positive reviews, but does not meet the criteria of a worthwhile machine according to the articles I have read here. But if SDS even has a website, I am not finding it.

Has anyone here heard anything good or bad about this company... oh, I apparently cannot post question marks or apostrophes either. Or colons or parentheses, otherwise I would make a smiley face here.

Thanks for all of the info.

This is how I suspect most Vibration Training papers on Power Plates were / are accepted. No peer review process to ask the hard questions.   

I notice Richard Beddie is again quoted as some kind of expert on the subject, even though he is a documented liar on all things CrossFit related  ..

http://therussells.crossfit.com/tag/new-zealand/

My comments half way down.....

Which means as soon as they stop adverting. They drop off the first page really fast.

That old video is great. It has well over 80,000 views and was done 4 years ago or so.  Thank you for bringing truth to people Lloyd.

John T. Weatherly

If anyone has any information that they think the consumer needs to know before buying a product off this company / man. Even if it includes information from before he set up Hypervibe. Please feel free to contact me and tell me your story.

Funny how you dont have to lie or exaggerate when you are right .  

Sorry mate. But we have to be way smarter than that to fight the obesity crisis. 

I am here to make sure dodgy and hollow promises are NEVER forgotten. As they bring our industry into disrepute. 

Congrats on the Innovation Award Lloyd.  It shows hard work and honesty are recognized eventually.

John T. Weatherly

Why do they do this. All about greed and reputation. It helps them scam more grant money to further their non useful careers. 

So many more will fail before too long.  

 

I have yet to meet anyone involved with Power Plate that is honest. That brand just seems to just attract scum.

Thank you to all our supporters who never compromised or sold out. One day everyone's work will be part of an industry to be proud of.

Elite Fitness NZ are advertising the new Hypervibe G17 machine.  No stock yet, due 2015.  And it’s $500 more expensive than the previous model; it’s being advertised in New Zealand at $ 3,495

 This is going to be very interesting – the new machine has a smaller platform than its predecessor (which is already restrictive for some poses) and despite all the glossy advertising, it’s going to be quite weak.  

 Hypervibe/Murray Seaton continually say that higher G-Force acceleration is the only way to create superior results yet the new machine

They simply don’t understand the “Force Equation” in relation to physiology.

 The truth is: “A vibration platform with greater mass applies more force to a user, than a vibration platform with less mass.”

In his article, “The Effect Of Platform Mass”  http://www.vibrationtraining.net/2010/12/927/ , Murray Seaton of Hypervibe  gets  Paul O’Brien, who he states has a PhD in theoretical physics, to comment on Lloyd Shaw’s “volley ball/medicine ball” explanation. 

 I’m saying the day will come when Paul O’Brien is going to be very embarrassed for commenting on something he clearly doesn’t understand – the way the human body responds to the mass of the platform and force produced. Theoretical Physics doesn’t explain the physiological effects of applied force (vibration exercise or therapy) on the musculoskeletal system or - what the article is written about – the science of how that works.  I’d love the opportunity to show Paul O’Brien the linear, high energy platforms I work with and see if he thinks his explanation stacks up once he’s done a training session.

What is even funnier, is he even quotes me directly in that article. So he can then dismantle the theory ...
 

“I throw the volleyball to you and you catch it. Sounds simple enough, but we all know from experience this is not hard work, for either of us. If I throw it to you 100 times you might start feeling it, but in no way would you describe this as a “workout”. So how do I challenge your body and make it work harder. Extending the distance between us will not change much, so we know Amplitude is not the key, and throwing it more just takes up time. The perfect scenario would be to make the workout harder but shorter, right ?.

The simple solution …… Change the ball to a medicine ball.

The increase in mass of the ball immediately increases your workload considerably, in each throw.”

Not exactly rocket science is it. And easy to actually test. But apparently beyond these "experts" comprehension.

So glad I am just a simple mortician.  

So Im surfing the net and an ad has attached itself to my personal searches probably using SEO.

http://au.hypervibe.com/benefits.php

"Hypervibe Whole Body Vibration Machine "

Buy this machines and these are the "Benefits"

Increased Muscle Power  Strength, Improved Circulation, Pre Sport Warm Up, Improved Bone Density, Increased Tone in Posture Muscles.."NOT DARING TO SAY THEY CAN BURN OFF FAT"............Of course by now Im yawning from the monotony of benefits no consumer will respond to, thinking if the wealthy western world suffers from Obesity, Im in Australia, we are the most obese country in the world per capita. Where is the benefit of burning fat ...

So I think to myself, wow in my actual studio in 4 weeks, my first actual customer Kylie has lost 6 kgs on my actual NZ VibraTrain machine, shes posted actual results on our Facebook page and these actual machines are actually not for sale. 

I start to get all warm and fuzzy because I have invested in a business thats REAL.

Gym owners are starting to talk and worry here in Australia about FBV, their monopoly in the gym industry could shift like what digital cameras did to film cameras and probably more to the point VibraTrain that works without the talk, they will not get access to these machines we are not salemen.

We do not sell machines, we give results, instead we are REAL.....

Eye opening read , about academics who get their mates to do the peer review process for them and other cons.

http://retractionwatch.com/2014/11/26/the-peer-review-scam-how-authors-are-reviewing-their-own-papers/

They will never admit that the combination of dishonesty and stupidity has hurt this science more than almost anything else.   

This is the background from Murray Seaton and HyperVibe that has our attention.
 

  Good we all said...... but....

Note... I questioned this promise, with my scepticism coming from multiple issues surround honesty dating right from the launch of his company. A phone call to him raised more than a few alarms, so I openly stated he was full of BS.

His response....  

  By the end of 2009 HyperVibe failed to deliver the commercial unit for Gyms and WBV studios as promised.

Move forward to 14 / 05 / 2011.......  Machine as described as being near completion in 2009 still not released. Another promise of a "commercial " unit pops up on website claiming release late 2011. 

2011 came and went .......... nothing. 

2013 Murray Seaton says:

" The project is due to be completed next month, and then we go into production. No doubt there will be some time consumed in setting up production etc. so realistically we’ll be looking at the start of 2012 before you start to see them available" .

Then , again ......   nothing.

Please note: During this time Murray Seaton / Hypervibe got $144,750 from the taxpayer to finish his project. So I believe this is a public issue that should be discussed.

I hope that brings context to our interest.    

A new machine is about to be released 

HyperVibe Professional Whole Body Vibration Machine - 2015 Model G17 Pro

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HyperVibe-Professional-Whole-Body-Vibration-Machine_50004216235.html

Looking at the specs. There is nothing special about this machine. Even the digital display is standard on lots of machines now. 

Specifications:

Frequency: 5-35Hz

Displacement: 7mm

Acceleration: 17.3g's

Platform size  53.5 cm  33.5  cm

Motor: 850W 

Apart from taking my old advice on Pivotal units, which is if you increase the Fq. Decrease the amplitude.( Which is an easy design modification ) . It seems pretty standard.

Eg........ Specs of their older unit below.

• G-force range: 0.8 - 17.4
• Frequency range: 6 - 28Hz
• Amplitude: 11mm (peak to peak)
• Platform size (cm): 56.5  X  36.5
• Powerful 900 Watt motor with current overload protection 

Am I missing something ?  If this is the super machine Murray Seaton has been promising the industry since 2009. What a serious let down.    

How are you using the machine. Just standing or doing a proper program ?