But that was before he started with the highly unethical scaremongering marketing tactics. And attacking my work for no reason. And all the other underhanded stuff that is too long to list. I suppose greed is the root of all evil.    

Lloyd  unit gets delivered this Thursday so will let you know.  Any help you can give with regards to using it is most appreciated.

Regards to the other machine  finally got a tech out today, parts arrived last week, I left the package sealed for tech to open.  He was from a  local company that services Precor, Life Fitness and all of this other companies machines, in spite of my repeatedly being told that they do not have a commercial service contractor.  Another lie.  He still couldnt fix it, they sent a supposedly new mother board which is broken.  He cannot tell me how long this repair will last, he said he has repaired or installed about 10 mother boards in machines over the past couple of months, they keep burning out.  He took the bottom unit to bits, there is no fan at all inside, and the motor does sit on the right, where it has always felt significantly stronger throught the platform.  So still not fixed.  Tech cant understand why they werent contacted in the first place either, especially as he is repairing them for little old ladies and mine is in a business.   Should have got my money back when it was offered but stupid me, I wanted to give them one last chance.

Thanks Lloyd, thats about what I thought, which is fine for my little studio.  Ive bought it and theyre delivering it next week, will install it and test it for me and make sure its good to go. Parts and service is very close by too.  Like night and day compared with the lemon I bought previously LOL.  Ah well, live and learn.  Still waiting for it to be fixed by the way ROFLMAO.

They seem to be fine with intermittent use through a day. And results are decent but you have to double up on some poses and be super strict. And also make sure the Fq varies on each workout.  Using 43 hz as your starting and most comfortable setting. 

Hi there

an opportunity has arisen to purchase a CV100 demo directly from Cardio Tech at a good price.  Lloyd, I  know you said this machine wouldnt go all day like yours, but that it was decent.  Exactly how many sessions a day would be reasonable for this machine and what sort of results would it give with the Lineal Program

Thanks

A trainer in Arizona used vibration training to help a 99 year old lady become mobile again and dance at her 100^th birthday party. (Excuse the blatant advertising of the company who supplied the machine).

This story isn’t unusual, we see amazing therapy and training results every week; it is however a feel-good story given the circumstances and it shows, again, what can be done to get sedentary people moving again. Movement = Life

http://www.3gcardio.com/blog/2016/03/15/vibration-training-helps-arizona-woman-dance-at-her-100th-birthday-party/

 Good video to watch in regards to our one sided "convesation "  with a fake VT expert  ..

 David.

Yes. But not massage. Actually do a pose but take most of the weight off that foot.

I just twisted my foot, not ankle, is vibration any helpful in healing or removing hematoma in early stages?

 Just got back into studio. My tech guy had changed something on my email to upgrade it, that was blocking all emails until I did something.

Obviously forgetting I am not always at a computer Am onto it now.

HI Di

Its just bounced back again.  Address and hyphen were all correct.  Thats ok he has my email and phone number.

Thanks for your help

Deb, Lloyds not in the studio but will be later thius afternoon so will get back to you then.

Thanks Di

Doesnt seem to have bounced this time

Lloyd

Tried again, third time lucky maybe

Hi Deb, please try again (remember the hyphen, sometimes that’s the problem)

 lloyd@vibra-train.com  

Hi Lloyd just tried to email you re my ongoing Hypervibe problem but the email came back undeliverable. Can I post what's going on here or would you rather email

thanks, Fed up in Brisbane

 David.

Yes. Perfectly safe. 

Keep us all posted on your questions, learning curve and progress. .

Hi Di and Lloyd. After all your good advice via email I have now bought the used Vibrogym! Without the site and your very helpful input I would have made a mistake and wasted a lot of money and time. Big Thanks again.

In your opinion, would force coming through foam roller putted on mat be safe for upper body?

Pat

Vibrogym Classic – phone Vibrogym and ask if they know of any secondhand machine available. These are solid steel, older units. The new Vibrogym units don’t have the same force in the vibration.

BodyShaker Junior – I think this is readily available in UK. Bodyshaker has been around forever.

Both lineal movement – remember the two main types, lineal – directly upright (if working properly) and pivotal – up/down side to side with a centre pivot.  Lineal cause a deeper muscle contraction, generally speaking, than pivotal platforms. The down point is that you must put them on a solid floor usually on a dense rubber mat. The room walls can resound the wave as noise – so not suitable for use in an upstairs apartment. Very differently, pivotal machine cause the muscle and any covering fat to shake; that look that you see in videos that is amusing to watch. At higher speeds the shake is still there but the muscle contraction is greater (must be a good quality machine).

For muscle strength I’d go for a medium - high-energy lineal machine always, if you have somewhere to put it – be careful there’s a lot of less force plastic machines, some with known brand names and glossy advertising accompanied by a poster with large number of “every pose you can dream up”.  Go for a solid machine and a simple solid, safety program.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs

I’m not sure what you mean by quickness, acceleration off the mark – we don’t use any built in programs that change the speed etc. You don’t need that – you need a solid machine, solid program.
Note: If using a high-speed pivotal machine you do need to change speed for different positions. You risk damage to shoulders if you do the arm positions on a pivotal at high speed. Also the plank position on a pivotal is murder on shoulders so we turn it around (upper body on the ground)

Remember to eat a meal or a banana before training – the increase in blood sugar is essential to being able to hold perfect position for the full time of each pose. You quickly use up the food (calories) so don’t worry about that.  We have clients that don’t eat enough (lie to us) and they either, obviously can’t hold position, or feel lightheaded.. this applies equally to strong people as well as those who are starting out.

Once you get started, you are welcome to send a short video to me or to Lloyd to pass on to me. I’m happy to sort out any incorrect poses but be aware I won’t be kind. This is the most amazing strength training (tight, lean muscle – not bulk) you can do and it must be done correctly.

 Most rounded shoulder issues are usually from someone overworking their back. Which gains mass a lot faster than pecs ( which take years to develop )

VT relaxes / heats up muscles very quickly. So in your case doing some pec stretches straight after your workout is a good idea.   .

Would safety program be recommended for example for someone with very tight pectorals, that is rounded forward shoulders posture, because you have push up and dip in program that would do even more tightness in front of upper body, at least in standard exercise program without VT.  My question actually is how does WBV deals with imbalances in posture? Do you have any experiences with that? Thanks.

 Pat....

In Europe..... I would personally try to get a second hand VibroGym  Classic. Or a BodyShaker     

Again thank you for getting back Di Heap

My goal would be to train both. Quickness is also important, like as in initial acceleration off the mark. I live rural in stand-alone house with good space if needed.

Pat

Ps. Now I know you are going to giggle here – but why can’t arms be used on a pivotal m/c – like in a press up as per the “Pivotal Program > Push Up” on the site

I need to back up a bit -- A few more questions given your already fit state

Do you plan to train your arms hard, as well as legs? – seems obvious answer but a pivotal machine can’t do this.

Do you live in a stand alone house or an apartment? This limits choice

Hey Di Heap

Thank you for your response  I have read the links you referenced and understand the differences between the machine types and have read quite a few of the helpful posts here and pages on the site. Have also read many reviews which I now realize most if not all are not independent.

I had narrowed it down to the Hypervibe G17 Pro and the Galileo Advanced  I was leaning towards the Hypervibe because of its price  they also have 20percent discount sale on at the moment then I saw the Blacklist which includes Hipervibe and that threw me a bit as I thought I had done a reasonable amount of research..

Re your questions  I am 45 male, pretty fit and reasonably muscular, play tennis 4 times a week. Probably am caryying a few extra Lbs. No real injuries at the moment and live in the UK.

Have good area to put a larger machine though would prefer a smaller one if it can do the same job. I do understand that doing it at home is never going to be as beneficial as a proper VT studio but need the convenience of a home machine. 

Very much appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction for a proper quality machine that I can buy in the UK or from Europe.

Once again many thanks

Pat

Pat

Machine type Reviews: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews

Have you tried any machines? Please look at the review section to see what the machine types are.

Generally for home High-Speed Pivotal are used but this type has a particular feel and you do need to understand the difference between the two main types of machine – also where will you put the machine – within your home? You can’t simply choose the biggest and best:

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

Or do you own a gym or other fitness place where you can put a heavy machine?

More information about yourself if the machine is for yourself – your current fitness level and training if any? Male or - female, age, health and body type (muscular? overweight?) injuries?  Location?

Note: No home machine will give the results that we see here in the Vibra-Train studio (full commercial machines and supervised training) but we can tell you some brands and machine types to look at, and a program to use, if you give more information. Remember to get clearance from your medical professional if you don’t currently do an exercise program.

Also, read back in this forum. There is a ton of useful information.

First thank you for providing all the information on the site. I am in the UK and have spent hours looking at reviews and was more confused after reading them..until I came here. I am looking to buy a quality machine that will help with muscle tone/ Euro2500 to Euro4000! Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thank You

Pat