Yes. Usual for the platform to move a fair bit on retail machines.   

Power Plate units have a rougher vibration because of the plastic. Powerful and smooth is better.

Moving on the platform will not have worn out the unit. It just means they wasted alot of their own time.  

Thanks for info, I have tried that used xg10, it was supposed to be 5 years in use in studio for loosing weight for man

Is it normal tha the platform wobbles, an creaks a little. I mean it tilts when you go toward edge and also the engine changed the sound a bit.

I have to say it wasnt that much powerfull feel as powerplate 5, but i think the vibrations felt much better or smoother. Anyway the seller wanted 1000 EUR and is claiming it hasnt been used a lot.

I have concerns, because everyone in our country is moving on this platforms, they dont hold static poses. I think machine like that sooner wears down.

2K US if used at a physio practice or professional setting with instructor.

1k   if used by the public at a gym and marked. 

A unit like that does not really deppreciate too much. Unless damaged.

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Thanks, but I was hoping you tell me how much value of the full price this plate would have after 5 years of use, just approximatelly.

Sorry for delay in response, someone tried to hack the page, again...

David....

The DKN XG 10 units have no common breakdown issues Iam aware of. I would contact DKN directly to check for prices on replacement parts.  

Thank you very much for your quick answer. I have one more question. I came across a DKN xg10 unit selling in our country, the unit suppose to be 5 years old and has been used commercially, but not a lot. What would be the fair price for this unit and what to look for when buying this particular unit? I have concerncs buying old machine if anything breaks too soon.

As I have stated in the past and predicted science would prove in time. Supplements and foods are useless for building bone density without proper bone stimulation.

 http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/72545451/increasing-calcium-intake-unlikely-to-prevent-fractures-new-studies-suggest

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/vibration-training-and-bone-density

Brilliant for breaking up scar tissue. Faster than any other treatment I have seen. ( lots of sporty mates, lots of injuries and surgeries ) 

Yes squat is best. With perfect form. ( as per the safety program on this site )

Hello,

has anyone tried using vibration training for breaking scar tissue? i have had ankle arthroscopy and now 4 months after surgery i still have internal scar tissue from surgery limiting my ankle plantar and dorsiflexion. I was wondering if vibration training would break scar and promote faster healing. Would a squat pose be suficient for that? Thanks for answer.

HyperVibe just cant seem to help themselves crossing over that line.         

Hello,

I have recieved recently my high energy lineal vibration machine from BodyShaker. I am aware of the 10 poses, to hold each for one full minute while running the machine at 40 Hz. However I have 2 elderly people, 1 overweight person as well as 2 normal people who are going to be using the machine, all of them have lack of fitness in common.

So how do I go about starting to get them into the vibration training? Do I get them to do 30 sec poses instead of the full minute? Should the vibration frequency be reduced instead? Are there any additional precautions i need to take when the older 2 are using it

Thanks in advance for your time.

Consumer Warning....
 

Fred Jones to Share His Ten Year Experience with Whole Body Vibration Machines in New Manual

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2662647

http://www.scribd.com/doc/274301824/Vibration-Machines-Core-Technology-and-Rip-Offs

In reality Fred Jones has a history of selling anything to anyone. And being involved and supporting companies selling machines with fake specs and using scare tactics to market their products.

His actual knowledge could fill the back of a postage stamp.

Just for educations sake, the truth about this sorry saga in our industry below....
 

The first platforms used were driven by speakers and not small motors with counterweights for good reason, Dr Clinton Rubin had done studios on tennis players arms back in 1981. Trying to figure out the exact cause for a 27% increase in bone mass on the playing arm.

Dr Rubin had a theory, and that was bones also responded to noise not just force ( the idea had actually come from two places, purring in animals and bone phones ( early phone prototypes that transmitted sound through the skeletal system )

Idea was simple. If noise traveled so well through bone. Maybe a biological response was possible just with sound like vibrations.

The idea worked , with more mice tests done than any other. A single “Rubin Device” was used during these tests. .

Results. Bone density increase. Loss of body fat ( mice only ) Muscle mass increase ( mice only )

Human tests done straight after on the same devices showed none of the dramatic positive effects. And the best that was found was a slowing down or slight increase in lower limb / spine MBD.

On top of that engineering issues like overheating of the devices was of real concern. ( first recommendation was 20 mins , but that got taken down to 10 mins )

The reason for the multi level failure was simple for designers of VT machines to see. The platforms had not been re-engineered to take the mass of a human. The dampening effect was skewing all results and leading to the failure of the devices themselves. And after 10 mins speakers being restricted in movement often burn out the amp.

Also the contentions issue of focusing solely on Fq as the reason behind the previous animal results. eg... looking for a "magic " Fqs. ( every year they change this magic Fq though )

In simple terms the platforms felt very strong for the mice, but not when a person stood on it.......

Eg…… Test platform specs used on mice had not been directly unscaled to an average human equivalent ( 1.70m tall @ 75kg ) would mean 30hz / 28mm amplitude in human terms.

Important point...... Rubin had stolen the 30hz Fq idea from a Pivotal company called Galileo and another called NEMES by a guy called Dr Bosco. 

The contentious issues being this. At 30hz / 28mm these animals were on some extremely serious Vibration Training platforms. Far exceeding anything we build for humans today .

Note: This was pointed out to Rubin's team a number of times. By proper bio-mechanical engineers  They refused to respond. We found out why shortly....
Dr Clinton Rubin in the mean time had released articles and media statements saying anything other than his 30hz / 0.3g would be very damaging to humans. ( he has never retracted this even though subsequent research globally has debunked it )

They compounded their unethical behavior by telling people that simply standing on the machine will increase total body bone mass. Which is a total fabrication and belies all mechanical principles. The dampening effect past the knee is over 90%.


Anyway. Hope you all enjoy reading and watching our industry evolve. Unethical academics and marketers are holding us back. But I have every faith that will just become part of our history.


 

Thanks Lloyd, have been in touch with Gravity HQ.

For a good all round workout on any of these devices.... follow our Pivotal program on this site .....

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs  

Have been researching vibration plates available in NZ and thought I had found a good contender in the Hypervibe Performance but then I found mention of it in your forum and in the blacklist. I get the distinct impression that you’re not keen on them (or at least the company)!. Are you saying that the machine itself is not a great device or is it just the marketing hype and company that puts it on the Blacklist?

I see that Gravity HQ is on your favourites but I can’t seem to find a price for it or why you rate it. Have emailed them.

Are there any other machines that are available in NZ that you would recommend for a mid-50’s male with osteoporosis (I understand that vibration plates have benefits for building bone density) looking for a general fitness workout?

Thanks in anticipation.

To Dr. Gary Gray, FAFS, PT,CEO and Founder of the world-renown Gray Institute.

https://www.grayinstitute.com/

The machine itself...... a standard Pivotal unit. That can give results. But you need to be following a strict program like the one we have on this site. If the machine lasts long enough that is.  

DOB 17 Feb 1970

A letter I sent I now regret.

 
Rt Hon John Key, Prime Minister Dear Prime Minister I require your guidance in regards to placing a restraining order on a recent business associate as he is constantly harassing me from New Zealand and I am currently in Perth. His name is Lloyd Shaw- of Vibratrain NZ LTD, 7/192 Victoria St, Auckland City - tel 09- 3096874, email: lloyd@vibra-train.co.nz.

 I do have serious fears for my safety as Lloyd Shaw has a particular set of skills in his background that worry me if he turns up here in Perth As I am not a citizen here in Australia, I am a New Zealand citizen I need help to cover this process from here in Perth and advice. Can your office please point me in the right direction whether I contact the police in New Zealand or police here in Australia

Walter Matthews
+61 432214480
51 Melbourne Loop, Clarkson,

That is great to hear Di.  Keep reporting on this important work.

John T. Weatherly

Two recent customer updates for therapy and training using high energy, lineal Vibra-Train brand, vibration machines with the standard IVTRB safety program.

Lady mid 40’s has arthritis especially in hands. Says her hands thaw out and open up each time she does a session (full training program) and stay good for a day or two, starting to claw up again by the next time she returns (training 2-3 times a week). She’s very happy with her overall strength and fitness and more so the stopping of deterioration in her hands.

Young lady (does fulltime university study, graphics, fabric design, fashion – very talented). She has some sort of juvenile arthritis. She started out at Vibra-Train about 3 years ago, being able to do a few assisted therapy/training sessions and having to be ultra-careful not to become over tired. Has done the full training program for about 30 months now regularly three times a week (with occasional short breaks if out of town and occasional 2x week instead of 3 when study life is very busy). She used to struggle a lot to get through the program but now just does it (it’s hard work for everyone).

We have a letter on file from her doctor, a year ago, telling of the marked improvement in her wellbeing and fitness.  Yesterday she told me that she’s still seeing improvement and becoming even stronger. But the big point, she said, was that this year as she’s has a few flare-ups in her condition she’s gotten through those times easier, without the big “crash” she would normally expect and has been able to keep on with her final term of studies and assignments for graduation later in the year. She hasn’t ended up, basically immobile.

Vibra-Train has changed her life so much for the good.

My main concern is anyone attached to that company pretending to be an expert in the discipline on VT.  Pure marketing BS.

Ski

If you type into a word program like Word or Notepad or even an email, then copy and right click to paste to the forum you can put in links and full punctuation. Full function is turned off to prevent attacks on the forum.

The machine Bulletproof Vibe is a medium energy lineal unit. There’s a lot of hype in the marketing in my opinion but I’ve read of positive results. You must follow a full body vibration training program, holding STATIC positions PERFECTLY (get someone to watch you). You haven’t given any info about yourself except to say you do strength training – so with a medium level machine such as Bulletproof you might need to add some weights in the future but start off with static, perfectly held positions – follow the program linked below. Your own bodyweight is enough to give results to start.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs/lineal-program

Lloyd,

Have you done any research on Upgraded Selfs entry into FBV. Cannot seem to paste link into this comment box but will type it for you. upgradedself.com slash products slash bulletproof dash vibe dash whole dash body dash vibration dash plate 

I utilize their supplements, but am curious about implementiong this into my strength training regimen.

And perfect form is ALWAYS more important than Fq.   

I watched the video for people with limited mobility. Thank you. Maybe my mom should start with that. She is pretty fit for her age. She even does a little hiking, etc. But she has had a bit of sciatica. Better to start slow.

I am relieved to here the machine is 15 hz. That is more than enough. I am not sure why it says 1 to 50 on their web page because I can set it anywhere from 1 to 150 on the control panel. If 150 is 15 hz it sure is plenty for me. They sell another machine that identical but has a 600w motor. Does that machine have less hz. 

I have limited time to exercise. I would like to lose five pounds and firm up. I want to increase muscle mass if possible to keep my metabolism up. I am not over heavy at present and do have a moderately active lifestyle. I have no regular workout program right now. Can I accomplish all that if this machine is my only work out.

I have access to a recently purchased Merax pivot type machine. The specifications of the machine are here

http://www.merax.com/products/VM/ms005405BAA.html

it has 10 programs that cycle up and down through 150 vibration levels. All of the programs last 15 minutes and change speed every 60 seconds. After reading about your safety program for pivotal machines, i am wondering if the Merax is safe at the higher speeds and if standing on it for the 15 minute program is the best way to use it. The Merax has a 1.5 hp motor and 1.3 cm pivot. When set at 150, the highest speed, it will rattle my teeth! However i can bend my knees and move my feet closer together in a bit of a squat, and not have the head shake at all. I can also set the time and speed level manually.

I am a 44 year old woman. My mother also wants to use it. She is 69. Can you recommend speed settings for the safety exercises and any general use guidelines to get us started. We would obviously work up to 15 minutes. How often should we use it.... Thanks

http://www.spicewellnesscalgary.ca/WBV-Machines.page