Hi Lloyd   sorry I meant to say in my last post.I live in NZ,down the bottom almost.

Proform ZL ,about a 1000 dollars through elitefitness,it is a new brand to them evidently and is on special

The others are  all on trade me,the aerobics  one i found through this forum on trade me...Body Green brand.

Thanks

Hi I have been reading your posts for what seems like days now while trying to decide on a reasonable machine for home use.

I have been using one locally a Fit X , I think,but they are no longer around.The lady who was taking the sessions has left to go home to England and I would like to get a similar one as I have been very happy with the results.

I would be very interested in your opinion on the following machines and whether you thought any were any good.

Proform ZL, Crazy Fit530, Vibrafit  or Aerobics Vibration.

If you have the time to reply I would really appreciate it.Thankyou.

Gabriel

I have known Lloyd for over 5 years now and have heard him say nothing but good things about the galileo platform, He may disagree with the marketers behind it but the platform itself is one of the best on the market. Only problem is last time i checked it is over priced for the average person.

The post by Jan in no way reflects the quality of the machine, but what it does show is the lack of education out there or the laziness of people not researching and following the poses that are recomended for a safe workout.

just my 2 cents worth....

Perhaps I am missing something. I see plenty of posts here looking for quality vibration training equipment. Yet, despite that, there is no mention of Galileo. That seems to be a pretty good example of your refusal to support them in my opinion. I am aware that they chose not to "fight the good fight" with you, but they spend an awful amount of time and effort to perfect their engineering and use their systems to perform proper research. Research that includes power training and athletic performance. Are those considered "therapy" benefits...I am unclear.  Instead, you recommend the Noblerex and Nitrofit.  I think the post below by Jan is a very accurate and fair review of both platforms. I get it though...how else can you convince others that pivotal equals therapy. Just recommend garbage pivotal.

That is neither here nor there though. I was honestly just trying to shed light on some good research. Of course, there is nothing in your post to discuss that subject. Why would we want to do that. Just a defensive response and of course, another opportunity to bash the Hypervibe. Thanks for your time.  

Hi Lloyd. I received my Noblerex K1 today.  I have to say I am unimpressed.  I guess I was expecting a miracle or something and all I got was a mild headache.  I am a very sedentary person and havent exercised in years, so I thought I might be a little sore or feel like I got a workout....well, I put the machine on its highest level and placed my feet at the farthest ends of the pivotal plate and just felt like I was being jiggled around a bit.  I did some of the dynamic poses they suggested.  I dont feel any different, really.  I hope I notice something more in time, or back it goes.  I am hoping for some back and shoulder pain relief and weight loss.  I will keep you posted.

While I am aware that you are not a fan of mine, I share your sentiment over this article on athletes. I have faced this type of rejection for the past several months while pursuing several local cycling associations despite some great testiminoials. Fortunately, in several months, a study out of Europe to be published in a leading sports medicine journal, should put an end to this challenge and offer elite and recreational athletes a strong potential training option that utilizes, AND REQUIRES, vibration training. The abstract indicates that in 5 weeks improvements were seen in "ventilatory threshold", "time to exhuastion", "slow twitch fiber hypertrophy", and "increased muscle mass" just to name a few.

Of course, this study used the Galileo platform, which you refuse to support. Either way, I think you will be pleased by the results. 

Mike and Di Heap

Thank you so much.....

Yes I am interested in muscle toning.  I am a somewhat crazy 58 year old man that likes a good workout.  Thank you Lloyd for the giudelines for a proper lineal workout   This is great information and I am glad you guys are out there trying to improve this entire industry  Much appreciated   indeed.

Mike do you mind telling me of the "one machine" that builds good quality muscle.....  Is it a dependable machine

My best to all

David

David

Based on experience (opening the first pivotal studio in the world), I would stick to lineal if it is muscle toning you are after. The

reason being is after about 6 months the body seems to plateau on a pivotal. If you want to do upper body work outs then

pivotal is more restricted. Just my personal opinion.

A high energy lineal should get harder as time goes on. As far as building muscle is concerned there is only one machine that I

have found that builds good quality Muscle, and no I don’t sell them but yes I do use one in my studio.

Also just my opinion...Oh and personal experience J Sorry for throwing the cat amongst the pigeons.

David

If you liked the intensity of muscle contraction using the small Hypergravity personal platform then the TrueVibe (U.K.) or the VibroGym Professional platforms would give an even better workout

But do a trial of a pivotal Nitrofit deluxe if you can – so you can feel the difference in the types of machines.  Even turned up to highest I personally don’t find pivotal machines give the strength of muscle contraction I’m used to  - some people prefer them though and get good training from them.

I may have figured out the twitter guy. Saw a page where it looked like there were a couple entries into that Wave giveaway contest, that just concluded. I think this was his entry. He didn't win.

Thank you all for the advice.

Lloyd,

The Hypergravity has only been in use for approx. 3 months in total.  I purchased it 2.5 years ago but it sat in a corner.... So it is essentially new.  As I mentioned I want to give this to unit to my father and try another machine and that is why I am writing.... Yes I do like the strong power of the Hypergravity unit  but have never used the Pivotal .  If they both seem to build muscle equally well then I may try pivotal ....

I

Mike M 

I agree that the Wave twitter person sounds a bit unusual.  He says he has found the Holy Grail of exercise machines.    He goes on to say he is very busy and the Wave gives him an hour worth of gym in just ten minutes, but yet he still goes to the gym and injures himself there.  Hmmmmm .....

David my suggestion would be a vibrogym if you could get one. check out the link below

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vibrogym-Professional-/200615300851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb59a8ef3

good work out, good history and made in the Netherlands.

I have been running 2 of them for the last 4 years and still use them beside our vibra train machine.

Mike ...

To answer your questions.

I purchased the Hypergravity Personal  2.5 years ago for my office staff.   I have just started using this machine a few months ago and have decided I really like WBV training and started researching. I am going to give this unit to my father and for me and my sons I will order another machine.  

So I am trying to figure out if I want a lineal or pivotal.  As I mentioned I have a   5,000 dollar budget and am interested in dependability.  My sons and myself all are in great shape and want to build health and muscle.

I hope this helps.

Reading again the article Mike M linked, about Hypervibe’s quivering exercise equipment and wondering about the “aptness appurtenance” that can “kindle the body in a accumulation of unique and profitable ways”

Well I am laughing out loud so much that customers are asking if I am okay.  Laughing is healthy but I’m afraid I’m going to have a sore stomach if I don’t stop soon.

David

Do you own the HyperGravity machine and if so why do you need to replace it?  

Without knowing more about you (do you or your boys have any health or fitness disabilities we need to know about?) - You need either a medium (or high) energy lineal machine OR a high-speed pivotal to give the sort of strength results you want.  I recommend you try out some machines before you buy using the list Mike M has put up.  Also, as you probably know, you need to consider where you will put the machine in your home. Have you read the articles – here’s one that might be helpful

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

@ David

You say you are using a hyper gravity machine...which one?

Do you own this or do you pay to use it at a studio somewhere?

How have you found the results?

How long have you been using it for?

I used to promote and distribute hyper gravity machines, but no longer do due to their brake down rate.

Well, like Lloyd said. That amount can get you the 2nd-nicest Wave, the Air Reflex, or the Contour Plus if you want to wait a bit. Or anything in the DKN range or the Nitrofit Deluxe. All are reliable and should give results.

Thank s to all who are helping me  Much appreciated

To help clarify,

My budget is 5,000 US dollars.  My boys are 17 and 27... I am 58 and want to keep muscle..... I am currently using a Hypergravity machine and I live in Texas, USA. 

Thank you again

Here's one for you, Lloyd. A hypervibe us link that, well, rather reads kind of funny.

http://yourslender.com/Fitness_Equipment/home-exercise-equipment-are-you-looking-for-the-best-in-vibration-training-join-hypervibes-training/

"Our quivering exercise machines", really?? "at a really in accord with price"? And what is "aptness appurtenance equipment"?

Congratulations, Patty. Maybe we can get a bit of a Wave group going here, I just wish someone else posting here had the Contour Plus. I understand the reason for the holdup with those is that the display has been redesigned and is being slow to be sent over. Wonder how it differs from the old one?

I did see a rather odd posting as I was searching for forums with Wave users. Here's a link. The guy actually says he has the Contour Plus. Tell me what you think. I may try to direct the author to this forum, if he's interested in posting over here...

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/a0cesp