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Drew Posted On:2016-02-14 08:14:35

Hi guys a few questions for you. Im in the UK and can buy the DKN XG10

Im around 110kg, I currently drive multidrop for a living and have lower back problems. I can get a lot of pain in the squat position if Im not careful. My aim is to relieve the back problem and increase my core strength and fitness over time.

Ive begun to read all your articles. Im confused with this one

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-1---10/vibration-training-and-precise-joint-angles

Is it best to actually place a chair in front of the machine to help build the strength required at the beginning

Any advice would be very welcome.

 

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-02-13 10:44:17

  David...

Yes any upper body positions need a mat. Maybe get a slightly harder mat from somewhere. ( your might have also gotten softer as per the age )
 
I have had contact with Body Shaker for over a decade. Tried to talk them into trying handle bars via a Physio guy who runs a studio with them. ...They did a prototype but no commercial release ? Pity because it would give the industry a good shake up over there.
 

Best to wear just socks.   

 
David Posted On:2016-02-12 20:28:45

One more question, What is the best type of footwear? I guess soft running shoes dampen the vibrations? Maybe barefoot?

 
David Posted On:2016-02-12 20:24:25

Thank you for all the info. Maybe the problem is also in the mat, because it is almost one inch thick. I think other companies have thinner mat. All exercises that have arms in contact with the plate I am doing through mat, is that correct?

I have seen some modifications of bodyshaker that has handle bars.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-02-12 16:56:32
Di Heap is correct in all her info.

The only thing I can add is to clarify the unit you have is not meant to transfer any real vibrations into the handle bars. Which is why it is not attached to the vibration plate. Any vibrations making it through the isolators and base plate  would not be strong enough to train on. Maybe some circulation at best.
 

Straps....... Pretty much waste of time for training. Again for stimulation alone. Unfortunatly no retail company has managed to ever develop high energy load bearing handle bars.   

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2016-02-11 11:19:15

David, I’ve followed your conversation with Lloyd. I work at Vibra-Train.

Your Push-Up – Check your position exactly with the Vibra-Train poster,  get someone to watch you. Chest must be right up over your hands and your body lowered toward the plate, not high which may be why you are feeling your forearms. But your machine platform size is smaller than optimal.

I’m not sure how you are doing the pullup – using straps?  Straps are useful for circulation but not great really for upper body work, unfortunately upper body work is limited with your machine.

Best advice is to follow the Safety Program exactly – perfect poses and you can do 2 minutes of each squat position – 1, 3 and the last one. You can repeat the Push-Up after you’ve completed the program – remember, perfect position is essential to get great results and maintain safety.  Also repeat the Tricep Dip if you wish – balanced program

Position 2 Advanced - The Full Push Up 

 

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7UMmb0j6A)

 
David Posted On:2016-02-10 20:16:17

How would I exercise my upper body? I do push up but feel it mostly in my forearms, I also do the static pull up position but of course the vibration is very weak in handle bar because it is attached to lower base. I guess the straps are also useless? Any recommendations? Thanks.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-02-05 15:19:07
Yes. Every second day is best.

If you truly are taking the muscle to super fatigue. The body has a lot more to recover from and process that you could comprehend. 

 
David Posted On:2016-02-05 02:16:27

3x per week?

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-02-04 20:38:15

 Both your questions answered in two older articles...

 

Note:  VibroGym are not perfectly Lineal. In fact no higher energy lineal retail company sells them. Which is why they wont attach vibration handle bars to the platform, because the errors would be there for all to see. 

Doubling up on a few poses would not be considered over-training. In fact our advanced program has 6 mins of squats in it.

 

 
David Posted On:2016-02-04 20:06:29

Another question regarding frequeny of trainings

How often is good, every second day?

Have you ever tried to do each exercise with more than one set?

 
David Posted On:2016-02-04 19:52:37

No problems with machine, I was just asking because vibrogym claims it has the most precise vertical vibrations, if vertical vibrations are good, than I guess any deviation from vertical goes to other two planes and that creates shearing forces on joints? So how precise is fitvibe compared to vibrogym.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-31 19:38:29

 Dear Leslie Buttermore

 
As per our visual review section ......

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews
 
The Euro Body Shaker is a Chinese built unit. They have a few models. ( which one were you looking at buying ? )  All low speed or low energy units.
 
Great for physio / therapy work and a little bit of strength and conditioning training IF you use a special program.
 

They are highly overpriced though at those trade shows and they offer rubbish support I would suggest you look on ebay etc....  first. I can guarantee we can help you get something that has the exact same function and we will support you for as long as you need it.  

 
 
leslie buttermore Posted On:2016-01-30 18:05:14

Could you give me any information on the "Euro Body Shaper" model 

I plan to buy one this weekend at a Home Show but after doing some

reading about these vibration machines, I am a little undecided.  I had

breast cancer a year ago.  I am 67 yrs. old, and need help to get back

my body from the effects of chemicals, etc.   I value your advice.

Thank you so much for your response.  I appreciate your time and

effort.   God Bless You.......

Kind Regards,

Leslie 

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-29 15:12:54

 Technically , yes they should produce similar forces.

 
But if the isolators harden, they may reduce the force being allowed to be transmitted into you by the plate.
 
You can usually telling if the shore hardness of the isolators has changed enough to degrade the machines performance by putting the machine of high, and let it start and stop without you on it. If the plate moves on started up or stop. You have an issue.
 

If that is the case. Tell me.   

 
David Posted On:2016-01-27 20:56:03

Lloyd, do you know if old vibrogym has more precise vertical vibration than old fitvibe medical, in other words is there any difference in the quality of vibrations between those two? I guess they both develop similar force?

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-22 16:40:50

Correct

 
David Posted On:2016-01-21 21:32:40

So G should be the same?

 
David Posted On:2016-01-21 21:15:59

But what is difference in the sense of mechanical output, after all from what I know those are just wobbling plates, so if two plates are performing with the same frequency and are also the same size, I guess the amplitude is also the same.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-20 16:29:00

 Yes. Globus do have a good record. Check out this older site that had some basic engineering tests so you can directly compare some of the different brands in Europe.

http://www.vibrationtrainingdevice.com/comparison.htm

 
David Posted On:2016-01-19 22:10:22

What would be best pivotal machine in Europe? Galileo is very expensive and cheap plates go only to 14 HZ, I have one. Muscle contrasction suppose to start from 20 HZ on pivotal machines. I see globus has plates that goes to 30 HZ, if that is true.

So i wanna know what would be the difference between globus and galileo, I mean, from what i know, the mass of the machine here is not important  only frequency and amplitude, which you get from wider stance.  I would like to try combine pivotal with lineal training or therapy.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-19 19:26:01
My email is  lloyd@vibra-train.com
 
That article is mainly based on physio units. No real training machines were used in any of the research cited.
 
So the title is misleading. But the info is accurate.
 
 
Jane Posted On:2016-01-19 16:09:55

My husband just sent me this LOL

 

  http://coach.ninemsn.com.au/2016/01/18/16/04/is-vibration-training-effective

 

    

 

 
Jane Posted On:2016-01-19 14:37:06

Hi Lloyd, thanks for the reply. Well I dont want to go through that again  what Im going through now.   Would be happy to discuss the other matter privately.  I am in Australia.  Can I email you

Thanks and kind regards

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-19 14:26:57
Jane ....
 
Basically that company cant lie in bed straight and the owner is an off the scale nutter. Multiple breakdown issues where the customer is blamed and abused. So if it ever breaks....... all i can say is good luck.
 
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-31---36/the-history-of-our-industry-you-need-to-know

 
What country are you in, so we might be able to find you something suitable ? What country are you in 
 
 
PS..... What was the name of the Pro Pivotal unit ?  Was the situation resolved ? 

  
 
Jane Posted On:2016-01-19 11:44:31

Hi there, I see Hyper Gravity is on your blacklist, I just wondered why... 

Theres a person selling a Hyper Gravity Olympic Professional used machine quite locally and Im wondering if this is worth pursuing or not.  Having already just been burnt by a brand new and supposed Pro Pivotal Machine LOL.  Once bitten twice shy.  Looking for something for quality muscle and fat loss to complement a personal training program.

Thanks a lot for your advice.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-18 18:09:13

 Only safe way of doing this is simply placing all your body weight through your heels during your squats.

 
Try doing a squat with most of your foot off the machine, so you cant engage the ball of your foot. . 
 
I know isolating sounds like a good idea, but in VT the actual poses place too much shearing stress on the joints. So I never recommend or promote them. Sorry.
 
Be careful if you go online to find some poses, they will probably be attached by some PT who has no understanding of the forces you are dealing with.  
 
 
David Posted On:2016-01-18 05:45:50

How would I best target hamstrings with vibration training? Have you ve done any experimenting or are you strict to your safety program? I mean with squats I just feel quads too much.

Is there a way to target specific musce with vibration training safely? Can you lay on back with mat underneath? Or just putting arms or legs on machine? Thanks for answering.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-01-09 16:37:41

 Short answer...

 
From all my research into tank crews from 60 years worth of material.( Who receive well beyond any ISO 2631  precautions ) There seem to only be long term positive effects.
 
But yes. Positioning and direct transference into the tailbone up into the head seems to cause some issues in some cases. ( hence sitting upright on the machines is a banned pose )
 

Otherwise normal contraindication would suffice........ Eg.... Brain tumor. Brain injury, clot or recent brain bleed. Recent eye surgery or damaged / detached retina.  .   . 

 
David Posted On:2016-01-08 23:30:07

I have a question regarding vibration transmiting to head, for example in squat position there is stll some vibration feeling in head and neck, could that be dangerous on long term and are there any limitations regarding age or other conditions for vibration training.

 
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