Nicole J

Note: The reason people buy or use much bigger more powerful units is to cut down on time and have no real limitations.  

I consider the Lifeback2 to be a Therapy Unit but it does have some training benefits. Theres way more to it than the hertz value, yes its in how you use it.. But you need to give us some more information about yourself for any helpful comments.. Your current fitness level, age, abilities or lessened abilities, other concerns like overweight or any health problems. The Lifeback2 is a machine I recommend BUT I have no idea if its the right one for you without knowing more about you..

Hi I'm looking at purchasing the life back 2 from cardiotech. It has a 12 hertz but I'm worried this isn't a high enough hertz to make a difference. Do you think 12 hertz is effective for toning if used correctly

No decent Lineal units in the U.S. All overpriced plastic rubbish. Sorry.

Tman

I’ll list a few pages for you to read. Firstly program – you’ll find it similar on lineal or pivotal machines. Pivotal needs more adjustment/speed changes for each position, less speed for arms – despite what some sellers will tell you (to protect your shoulders mostly). Lloyd will explain this further. Your concern about 13mm amplitude is unfounded, it’s affected by your foot placement and by the speed of the machine. 13mm (at side edge of platform) is at the lowest, safe, therapy setting and you won’t get that amount unless feet are at the edge. The whole platform isn’t lifting up 13mm, it is pivoting side to side/up and down. 

PIVOTAL I really like the CV9 platform as it’s accessible from all sides and wide enough for comfort for all positions.  Most of my training is using Vibra-Train, in studio, commercial, lineal machines but I sometimes use the CV9. I’m a little biased toward it as I like it. It’s a robust machine with good company backup.  The Gravity Revolution has a very different look (similar to Hypervibe). It’s also a good machine. I have used one but only once. The centre console pole makes it limiting compared with CV9 but most machines have this style.

Programs: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs

LINEAL machines are different as the whole platform moves in an upward motion, just a little, maybe 4mm. It’s the force production and how well designed/controlled that force is (and the machine material, steel, plastic) that makes a difference between brands. Generally speaking a high or medium energy lineal machine is not suited for home use.  

Your home and Your Machine: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

Comfort: is subjective and often depends on what (lineal or pivotal) you tried first. Lineal machines of poorer quality will have an uncontrolled feel. Some better machines have a rough feel. A high quality high energy machine such as Vibra-Train (that I am fortunate to work with) has a smooth controlled platform with an intense force into the muscles (Commercial, you can’t buy these).  High Speed (and good quality) Pivotal machines also feel like hard work using training settings. Lower speed/therapy/balance settings can feel relaxing but as they involve proprioception (simple brain awareness of the body and its limbs in time and space) they can sometimes feel “odd” or unsettling. Lower quality machines can induce a “sea-sickness” feeling and also feel rough.

Note: The force and direction of that force production must be as the specs state to get a safe, effective workout. But, if it is a workout, not a massage – it is likely to be hard work.

Lineal and Pivotal Design (note this article explains pivotal as therapy platforms but the CV9 and Gravity Revolution are also training level) http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/lineal-design-pivotal-design

Check out the Nitrofit Deluxe Plus also – and if possible try before you buy

Thanks for the input.  I contacted Spicewellnes Calgary and they have an upgraded version of the CV9 and also recomended the Gravity Revolution if I wanted to spend a bit more.  Both these machines look like they are farily powerful.  Is 13mm too much on a pivotal.  

If I went with either of these two models, are there a lot of exercises I give up vs going with a linear machine.  I have heard they are not as comfortable to be on as a pivotal but maybe its just how the user is positioned that makes the biggest difference.  I know results can be seen with either type.  Are there many quality linear machines in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range available in the USA with enough power to really be effective.

I appreciate your help and for being an honest voice.

Important point :  No matter what unit you buy. HOW you use it defines your results.  

I'm located in the USA and thought I had settled on the hypervibe or a Genesis kenetic by vibra pro  http://www.vibraprofitness.com/edu-buyers-guide.php.  

Hypervibe has a lot of great reviews online and Then I read that hypervibe is on your blacklist.  Looking at vibra pro I discovered vibra pro kenetic has very little info from outside sources other than a site that appears to promote that brand.  I don't know what to make of this company but I've read several places that the whole spiral form which is supposed to be more advanced is just marketing and there is little benefit here.  The fact I can find only 1 other site that comments on this company concerns me a bit.  I did not see any mention of them on your site both good and bad.  They seem to have been in business a long time and I found a company selling their open box units for a good price.  Do you have any experience with vibra pro.

I then saw your Canadian recommended cv9 machine that looks very good as compared to hypervibe that I was also looking at.  It really looks like a great machine but not sure if I should be looking at a vertical vs pivotal.  My primary goal is strength  and performance enhancement but my wife primarily wants weight loss and lymph flush.  My wife and I are both under 180lbs.  It is truly amazing all the sites and review sites set up to promote brands with misinformation.  I've been reading up on vibration training for the  past to few weeks and it still hard to know what or who to trust.   I guess I would really like your guidance on which company and machine I can purchase in  United States would work best for us.  Was hoping to spend less than $3000.

thanks

 This from an old article...

An analogy of this would be like jumping off of a chair. ...... So how do you naturally land? With a bend in your legs or course. Now even though this may help, you will still get a large shock if you contract every muscle just before you hit the ground. So that is why your leg muscles naturally relax on impact.

Some trainers say that you “feel” it more if you contract your muscles while doing the squat. Of course you do, but just like you would feel it more jumping off a chair like that, it doesn’t mean its good for you.



http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-11---20/should-i-contract-my-muscles

Im thinking about muscle fiber alignment with the direction of force of vibrations. Also, what is better muscles relaxed or joints cocontracted. Any  thought on that? Thanks.

There are cheaper units around. If you want me to help you find something decent. 

By the way, I live in an apartment buiding in Europe so, for I have been reading  I think that maybe the Bodyshaker Junior is not a good idea. Am I wrong? Maybe a pivotal machine? Which one?

Thank you,

Hello,

Im over 40 years old, have started to develope varicose vains on my legs and I was thinking if vibration training could be good for me as I am thinking about getting a machine for home use.

Any advice?

Thank you,

One day all our work will be appreciated. As this disaster gets closer, and all the "experts" show everyone how useless they really are against such a massive problem. ( pun intended )

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11615688
 

 I was actually involved in the debate right in the beginning of our industry. Only a few companies globally making units. So I can give you the full run down.

Lineal = anything under 30 hz.         

Were frequencies bellow 30 HZ ever considered harmful?

But that was before he started with the highly unethical scaremongering marketing tactics. And attacking my work for no reason. And all the other underhanded stuff that is too long to list. I suppose greed is the root of all evil.    

Lloyd  unit gets delivered this Thursday so will let you know.  Any help you can give with regards to using it is most appreciated.

Regards to the other machine  finally got a tech out today, parts arrived last week, I left the package sealed for tech to open.  He was from a  local company that services Precor, Life Fitness and all of this other companies machines, in spite of my repeatedly being told that they do not have a commercial service contractor.  Another lie.  He still couldnt fix it, they sent a supposedly new mother board which is broken.  He cannot tell me how long this repair will last, he said he has repaired or installed about 10 mother boards in machines over the past couple of months, they keep burning out.  He took the bottom unit to bits, there is no fan at all inside, and the motor does sit on the right, where it has always felt significantly stronger throught the platform.  So still not fixed.  Tech cant understand why they werent contacted in the first place either, especially as he is repairing them for little old ladies and mine is in a business.   Should have got my money back when it was offered but stupid me, I wanted to give them one last chance.

Thanks Lloyd, thats about what I thought, which is fine for my little studio.  Ive bought it and theyre delivering it next week, will install it and test it for me and make sure its good to go. Parts and service is very close by too.  Like night and day compared with the lemon I bought previously LOL.  Ah well, live and learn.  Still waiting for it to be fixed by the way ROFLMAO.

They seem to be fine with intermittent use through a day. And results are decent but you have to double up on some poses and be super strict. And also make sure the Fq varies on each workout.  Using 43 hz as your starting and most comfortable setting. 

Hi there

an opportunity has arisen to purchase a CV100 demo directly from Cardio Tech at a good price.  Lloyd, I  know you said this machine wouldnt go all day like yours, but that it was decent.  Exactly how many sessions a day would be reasonable for this machine and what sort of results would it give with the Lineal Program

Thanks

A trainer in Arizona used vibration training to help a 99 year old lady become mobile again and dance at her 100^th birthday party. (Excuse the blatant advertising of the company who supplied the machine).

This story isn’t unusual, we see amazing therapy and training results every week; it is however a feel-good story given the circumstances and it shows, again, what can be done to get sedentary people moving again. Movement = Life

http://www.3gcardio.com/blog/2016/03/15/vibration-training-helps-arizona-woman-dance-at-her-100th-birthday-party/

 Good video to watch in regards to our one sided "convesation "  with a fake VT expert  ..

 David.

Yes. But not massage. Actually do a pose but take most of the weight off that foot.

I just twisted my foot, not ankle, is vibration any helpful in healing or removing hematoma in early stages?

 Just got back into studio. My tech guy had changed something on my email to upgrade it, that was blocking all emails until I did something.

Obviously forgetting I am not always at a computer Am onto it now.

HI Di

Its just bounced back again.  Address and hyphen were all correct.  Thats ok he has my email and phone number.

Thanks for your help

Deb, Lloyds not in the studio but will be later thius afternoon so will get back to you then.

Thanks Di

Doesnt seem to have bounced this time