This article is to explain exactly why its so hard to hold a static pose on a High Energy Vibration Training device. Because it may seem obvious, but its not until you break down the reality of what you are doing, does it make sense why someone would move around so much when you ask them to stay bloody still.

To start out I have to tell you that there is no such thing as "holding your pose" on a true Vibration Training platform. You are instead in a fight to "correct your position"  for every second you are on the plate. ..


How to explain this to someone else is .....

If I asked you to run a mile , in a squash court , you would have to run back and forth like an idiot instead of in a straight line . If someone walked past and gave you a quick glance , it would appear you are going nowhere fast , but looks can be deceiving. Its totally irrelevant how the distance is covered , just that it is.

  Any High Energy Platform will be lifting your feet clear off the deck in the top part of the upward thrust. So you kind of just slightly leave the ground , hence becoming weightless, which allows your muscles to completely relax , completing the "stretch reflex" , sounds great but only one problem. Have you ever tried to jump up and down exactly on the same spot ? its actually physically impossible. There will ALWAYS be some variation in the place you land. And that’s not just your feet but all your limbs cant go back to exactly the same spot as before.

Or....

Try running in a perfectly straight line , you cant cant you , it’s a constant process of correction. If you allowed you body to "drift" to the left or right without correction you will end up running in a big curve. Even half an inch in each step out and in 100 meters you end up nowhere near your target.


Well times all those small variations in each limb by 43 a second. And it doesn’t take much to make an arm, leg, elbow or knee to appear to magically move about 2 inches in 10 seconds.


  And if that was not bad enough, you are fighting fatigue the entire time , which makes the constant "correction process" of putting your limbs back into position harder the longer you try and hold the pose. Almost an impossible task near the end of a minute for most people.


So you put all the above together and you start to understand how someone right in front of you ( our yourself ) can get so out of pose you have to turn the machine off to correct them. Here are a few of my favorites ... 

(a)    Knees coming together in squat.

(b)   Elbows tucking back towards ribs in push up.

(c)  Chest dropping in push up while your rear end starts to stick out the back , making it look like you are a devotee to some middle eastern religion.

(c)  Legs straightening quickly and chest/head dropping down in squat , making it look like you are trying to stick you own head up your backside ( I think attitude and pose is actually promoted by Power Plate )
 

Why is it important to know the above, because upstanding the causes of something does help you counter it yourself  and stops you getting complacent about the forces we are dealing with. Education always makes you safer.

Interesting comment but  Riddle me this

Why is it that if allowed at higher speeds, I have  to correct Vibration Training Instructors – ones that have access to machines each day and can practise all day long if they want (within safe, allowable parameters of course).

Many platforms simply throw you off.  Rubber matting or similar, permanently attached as part of the design of the platform, sometimes helps but, like the type of shoes worn, not always.

In this industry we make the the positions -- and speed and amplitude when using a pivotal machine-- safe, suitable and beneficial for the 99%.  There will always be 1% who can go faster or harder but are they holding the position PERFECTLY?  That’s the rule at Vibra Train where I work , SAFE, Hard Training in PERFECT positions to get the VERY BEST RESULTS. 

Most people cannot hold correct form on a pivotal above 22Hz!

The machines I mostly train on are set at 43Hz and I hold perfect position so obviously its nothing to do with my muscle not keeping up.

Dhyana of GravityHQ

Hi everyone,

I would like to give a comment on Di’s observation of feet slipping around at the higher speeds.

Having taught vibration on a pivotal machine for 10 years (various machines) my experience is that if your feet start sliding, then your muscle is not keeping up with the plate and this creates an out-of-sync movement making the feet slide.

This only happens if your muscle is not ready for that particular pose at that particular speed YET and as Di says is more likely to happen at the higher speeds.

I have had 90 year olds squatting at 22hz perfectly on their first go, and 20 year olds only able to get to 17hz at a squat before their feet move or they lose form.  It is not your shoes, or your age, or sex, or how muscle bound or “fit” you are.  The fact is if your nervous system doesn’t pass on messages fast enough to your muscle, it will simply not keep up.

However, that is not the end of the story.

The solution is to drop the speed a few notches, until you can perform the move in correct form without your feet moving. Then over the next week (with a minimum of 3 sessions in between) increase the speed one speed at a time.

You will notice that if you give a few sessions on each level, you will soon be able to achieve good form in the higher speeds without your feet sliding.

This is how the body adapts, and with repetition your muscle will adapt to this naturally.

You will also be pleasantly surprised how quickly this can happen.

NOTE- there is no point sliding around trying force yourself to do things at the high speeds straight away.  Life is not in a rush, start where your body is at RIGHT NOW and build from there.

SO TEST, AND MEASURE PEOPLE, it’s your body, listen to what it tells you about where it is at in any form of training and act according to that.

I hope this helps some of you using high level machine like the Revolution at home.

Keep moving and have fun

Dhyana

No issues. I am the easiest person to get hold of. Email me at lloyd@vibra-train.com

Will show you around and give you a rundown on the industry in general. A bit of experience certainly helps with good decision making. 

Live in Colorado, but will be in Auckland next April. Would love to visit with someone like Lloyd orsomeone well versed in

types of Vibro machines...so I can make a responsible purchase when I return to US.  

Body Shaker..... Reason.

The guy behind Body Shaker is old school passionate engineer type.

The guy now behind VibroGym would sell his mother for $5 .

Hi Lloyd and everybody!

Good day! I currently own a pivotal machine and I am thinking of purchasing a lineal machine. I’ve narrowed my search to two brands, BodyShaker and VibroGym. I just want to get an opinion on which of the two would you recommend. Thank you in advance and any feedback is appreciated.

Info for buyers of High-Speed Pivotal Home Vibration Machines – my experience:

I’ve tried many pivotal platforms – the larger, high-speed ones I’ve trialled are:
Cardiotech - CV9 ,  the  Hypervibe - Performance ,  and the newer  Gravity – Revolution  (Also tried several Healthstation machines at Sports Shows but never for long enough to make a true assessment – the salespeople keep talking and demonstrating instead of letting me try out properly)

Hypervibe – Performance:  I was new to high-speed pivotals, very tired and had a knee injury when I first tried the Hypervibe - Performance and I found it challenging and different  (at high speed, jarring on my injury. In fact, lower speed could have helped it).  The trainer set it to maximum speed to try to impress me - I was impressed but still I said at the time that it was no match for the Vibra-Train Lineal machine I was training on regularly in studio.  I’ve had a few very short trials since and concluded it’s a good enough home machine.  My husband (fit, athlete) did some advanced poses (suggested and guided by the instructor) and he could not hold them correctly or safely but was still let to complete them (not good!) He was very sore the next day. This was suggested to be a good response, movement as with a pivotal machine can make you feel a bit achy but no one should have pain.

Intending buyers of this brand must ask – where is the machine made? Was it honestly designed from scratch, in Australia by a team of experts (ask for their names and contact them). Is a mat provided (it’s needed for some positions)? What backup is provided? Can I phone the machine designer/company owner if I can’t get a problem sorted? What on-going support is provided to guide me in using the machine?  How easy is it to access this support or do I have to pay extra for it.  When will this support end?

Ask similar questions about any brand of vibration machine you try. Ask who actually designed the machine and if you can contact them about it if you wanted to.
For years Hypervibe has been promising a full commercial version suitable for gyms. We’ve waited and waited and so far every promised deadline and release date has come and gone.

Cardiotech CV9:  The next large, high speed pivotal I tried was the Cardiotech CV9.  I have one of these in the studio where I work.  The platform is very large, a lot larger than the Hypervibe- Performance and it’s accessible on all sides, with a single corner column going up to the control panel. Powerful motor.  I’ve used this machine many times, following the recommended Pivotal training program. http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs.  I find this machine very suitable for training (building fitness and strength).  Cardiotech is an Australian fitness goods company. This machine was designed locally and has trusted, full local back-up.

The limitations are only those similar to All pivotal machines – you must set the machine speed selectively for different poses (ie. Legs can generally cope with higher speed pivotal than arms). This is an attractive looking machine that wouldn’t look totally out of place in your study or lounge.  (Note:  in the Vibra-Train studio where I work the CV9 is used for therapy, manly for people who have problems with balance. We use the Vibra-Train lineal machines for fitness training ).  

Currently the Cardiotech CV9 is my choice of high-speed pivotal but I might yet be swayed by

Gravity – Revolution: The latest High Speed Pivotal on the market.  This machine is locally designed. It also has a large platform - essential for positions such as push-up.  The motor is the most powerful of the 3 I’ve reviewed.  Also the machine weight is high at 60Kg. The speed range is wide – from 5Hz (therapy and relaxation) right through to 30Hz (high fitness training). Personally I haven’t been able to hold pose correctly on a pivotal machine above 22Hz, slipping can become a major problem but I’m told it is possible on this machine with its non-slip platform. I have tried it but only for a limited time. I’m planning to do a full session quite soon.  I can already recommend this machine, and it has full local back-up plus full access to help with poses and program and any specific needs you have. This machine is readily available in New Zealand.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR (a few suggestions) - Accurate Specs (ask who designed it and where it’s made and to who controls the manufacture and testing), Program guide, specific to any injury or needs you have (someone to actually contact not just a sheet of exercises. Ongoing guidance, an actual person not a vague email address), Platform size (bigger is better. Try it), Weight of the machine (not essential but currently a machine that is higher in weight is generally more stable). Think of a 70Kg person in a squat position holding the machine handlebars. If they lean back, out of balance, will the machine topple over?, Speed range and amplitude (this may be more or less important depending on what the machine is to be used for- therapy and/or training - but if wanting serious fitness training on a pivotal machine it must reach a true 18Hz (22hz is considered optimal). At the lower end 6Hz is a useful tool for balance therapy, proprioception, circulation and relaxation. Don’t underrate these uses), Maximum user weight (not a problem with the 3 machines reviewed but be sure to ask). ABOVE ALL ELSE: Try out the machine before you buy. If buying online make sure you know someone with that machine or you have a written guarantee of money back is not happy with your purchase.

See the article by Fisher titled "A Critical Commentary on the Practical Application of Resistance Training Studies" at www.trainology.org.  It is the current issue 2013, 2, pages 10 to 12.  This is how studes on resistance training were published in"peer reviewed journals" and did not even describe training programs in detail, etc.  They have messed up the literature and information given on conventional resistance training in journals and did the same thing with vibration training.  And these are "peer reviewed journals" that have done this.  It really must be "publish or perish."

John T. Weatherly

Interesting comment from reviewers on Vibration Training for athletes from this article... ( 2013 )

http://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/2013/02/06/vibration-training-athletes/


The reviewers concluded, “It is unlikely that vibration exercise alone using the currently available technologies can benefit athletes.” They noted however that this could change as technologies develop and the build quality of commercially available machines improves.


Despite this they quote some research from academics who used fake platforms and then covered it up. Still submitting their papers for peer review and publishing. Publish or perish no matter the cost to science.

The fact is by covering up the engineering issues, the academics themselves have denied athletes the chance to use a decent product all this time. That was already built in 2004

This article here could be directly referring to all the fake Vibration Training papers submitted by so called exercise  experts..... 

http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2013/oct/04/open-access-journals-fake-paper

This being our precise issue......

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-industry-the-theory-and-trainers-tips/articles-11---20-2/fake-specs-the-true-timeline-of-discovery

Standout comments from The Guardian I have slightly changed to suit our industries shameful situation.


"Any reviewer with more than a high-school knowledge of physics and the ability to understand basic logic should have spotted these paper's shortcomings immediately. Its experiments are so hopelessly flawed that the results are meaningless."


"In the event that we do find that members did not practice appropriate peer review or independent engineering reports , we will attempt to  take action that may include asking them to give back the grant money they took. And the "experts" status they have taken fraudulently.  "

Everyone in the industry agrees with this Lloyd,

except for the man in question.

hopefully people see through his online "guff" and we can pull the Vibration training industry together so consumers can get information that is true and importantly information that is unified.

it can be so confusing for customers and we all want to avoid that.

cheers

dhyana

GravityHQ 

I would like to state for the consumer. I strongly disagree with the company HyperVibe  using these terms in their marketing.
  

" Designed in Australia by an electrical engineer " 

" designed in Australia by a team of health and fitness experts "

" A product of Australia "

 " Origin: Imported (Australia) "


I urge the consumer to get written clarification on what these terms actually mean before you purchase a machine.
 
Note; As far as I am aware, Mr Murray Seaton is in charge of all marketing decisions. So he would be the one to ask.   


(1) When was this machine released and by whom. Did you design it from scratch or modify an existing model. How many parts did you modify from the original. Where did the original come from ?  


(2) What does a "product of Australia mean ? Is this the same as "Made in Australia "


(3)  What does " Origin Imported Australia mean ?   


If you feel as though you have been misled through implied claims that may or may not be illegal in your country. Go with your instincts. 

Note: These purchases are similar in price to a small car and pertain to a device you are about use on your body. Some of you may have health concerns. You have a right to some straight answers.

hi everyone

We just had a terrific show at the Auckland ASB Showgrounds and met so many lovely people who were very surprised at how much better they felt, and how their joints and back muscles felt revived after a short session on the Gravity Revolution with us.

Next stop Napier Home show this Friday, Saturday and Sunday…

So many people ask the question “does it tone and burn fat” and will it help me get rid of my belly fat?

In a short answer I will say “yes, if used correctly, fat loss  and body tone is inevitable when using any high quality Premium Speed Pivotal vibration training product. ”

BUT, this comes with consistent and correct use, and by consistent I mean at least 3 ten minute sessions a week for training and 3-6 ten minute sessions on circulation or posture (in lower speeds – below 13Hz).  This can include sitting, which will help with cellulite in the thighs and lower lymph drainage.

DON’T LEAVE IT IN A CORNER OF THE GARAGE TO BE FORGOTTEN!

Put your machine in the lounge or somewhere easy to see it and use it, this will help you get more from it.

And don’t worry, every machine purchase comes with membership to a site that covers every training, fat burn or joint rehabilitation need you can think of, all designed by leading world Vibration training Physio, Jasper Sidhu.

Happy Vibrations to everyone

Dhyana

info@gravityhq.co.nz

Message from Lloyd Shaw

Hi everyone,

We are showing off our fantastic machine to the public at the Auckland Homeshow, ASB stadium every day until Sunday.

The show is open until 9pm except on Sunday, so we would love to see you.

Being on the stand all day yesterday demonstrating to one person after the next, it reminded me of how important it is to remember to BREATHE as you do your vibration session!

You would be surprised how many people hold their breath during a pose.

So the tip of the day, for linear or pivotal users is to

1.      Breathe in as you move into position SLOWLY and with good form

2.      Breathe steadily as you hold the pose

3.      Breathe out as you SLOWLY rise out of the held position.

4.      And Breathe gently and deeply as you relax in standing position if you are not moving at all.

When you Breathe, focus on moving your diaphragm lower and expanding your belly muscles, (not sucking them in) and the breath will allow more oxygen to flow and will distress they body as well.

I hope that helps and we will talk soon

Dhyana

info@gravityhq.co.nz

Dhyana – GravityHQ

Buying or trying at an expo or show demonstration…

Have you ever been to an expo or demonstration of a vibration machine where the salesperson just whacked the speed up high just to let you “feel” the HZ, with your knees locked and your feet at shoulder width?

It is a common scenario, and it has become a problem for Vibration training as a whole because it leaves the person who has just had this inflicted on them, feeling that the whole thing is a farce and not to be taken seriously.

Expos and shows are a perfect environment to have a look at a machine you would not otherwise have seen, but there are some tips to getting the best and safest session when you are being introduced to pivotal vibration.

1.      Ask the person guiding you how long they have been doing this, and what their background is in the industry.

You will soon hear from their language if they know what they are talking about

2.      Tell the sales person or trainer of any previous injuries, knees, hips, ankles, back, and let them know if you have any long term issues like diabetes or heart conditions.

Don’t worry – it probably doesn’t mean that you can’t get on it; however, letting us know will make sure that your instruction for your trial session is specifically suited to your needs and is not generic garble. 

#everyone involved with the Revolution at a stand has had experience in fitness or health, or has done specific vibration training certification)

3.      Stand with your feet under your hips – NOT YOUR SHOULDERS – this way, if you are trying a machine where you go to a higher speed than you are ready for, you are less likely to hurt yourself.

REMEMBER – on a pivotal machine, the wider your feet are, the more your body will move.  This is great to know and each position has its purpose, but on a first trial, when uncertain, opt for safety, and narrow the stance when going higher in speeds

Actually as a side note – making a customer go wider in the stance can be used as a cover up for a weaker machine because the body wobbles more.  This wobble makes people feel like they are exercising.  Actually, unless you are getting above 15 Hz you are not really getting “exercise” and it is in the higher speeds that (17-30 Hz) where the super training and amazing toning results are happening.

4.      Just because it feels weird – doesn’t mean it is bad.  Actually if this is your first go on a premium speed pivotal machine, it is meant to feel weird…especially up above the 15 Hz speeds.  Enjoy the new sensations and keep the salesperson appraised of how you are feeling so they can adjust the speed for accordingly, or talk you through it.

# IF you don’t tell them – how can they help you?  And that is why we are here.

5.      Follow your intuition - your gut feeling about the person in front of you is often correct and you should “feel” confident in their knowledge.  If you don’t, then walk away. 

6.      Don’t buy it if there is no post- sale training support – it’s not just about having a great machine at home, it is also about having the best advice on how YOU INDIVIDUALLY can get the best from having one at home.

So I hope this information helps you have a safe and informative trial at the next expo or shop that you see a machine at, and if you see us there, pop over to say hello, we would love to meet you.

Cheers

Dhyana

info@gravityhq.co.nz

A statement released by GravityHQ in response to Murray Seatons of HyperVibe contradictory conversations to multiple parties. ( what is the truth. And does anyone working for him now trust him ? )   

Dhyana of GravityHQ

Co-developer of the Gravity Revolution (built “from scratch” –NZ owned and designed Premium speed Whole Body Vibration (pivotal) machine)

Wow, this is somewhat of a back-peddle for this guy when you consider that a huge component of Murray Seaton’s online marketing is completely designed specifically to tell people that his Hypervibe is better than any others because of the High G’s and the High Hz and that any machines without these specs are not worth purchasing.

This is the type of marketing that Lloyd is trying to eradicate.

It is the type of marketing that is driven to create a fear in you, the consumer, and to undermine other products and businesses rather than focus on their own benefits.

It is the type of marketing that has damaged the Vibration industry for home users in the last couple of years and created negative view of many manufacturers who are in fact truly committed to customer satisfaction and results.

Ask yourself this… can a report that is claimed to be independent – but which actually was funded by Hypervibe – ever be truly independent?

Especially if the owner or representatives of that company are actually present at many or all of the testing: how does this influence the outcomes?

This is a skilled but out-dated Marketing ploy to try and build up a sense of credibility in the market by putting other businesses products down.

Lloyd, you speak of integrity being lost if the Galaxy does not show itself soon. Well, I believe that integrity has held very little place with this person or this company for some years now.

His effort to smooth over the fact he has been at loggerheads with you for years by responding to your post is easy to see through, and I am fairly convinced that the only reason he has posted it is to calm the waters that you just stirred up by telling the truth about his history.

The readers would get an interesting answer if they asked Murray (or the company he did this to) if he ever put machine specifications on his so called “independent” comparison report without actually testing the machine, and was forced to retract that machine from the report to avoid court proceedings.

Keep waiting for the Galaxy everyone; we all hope it is going to be a great machine. BUT for all of you who want a professional level machine that actually is ready for you (and genuinely affordable) – I truly encourage have a look at Our Gravity Revolution.

You can ask Lloyd if the Gravity Revolution up to his standard – he has tried it in his own studio. Lloyd has first-hand experience of it and would quickly tell you if the specs and quality were not up to standard.

(That’s what we love about him. He Keeps everyone honest and will challenge you all to do the same to him.)

The nearest competition to the Gravity Revolution is shared in the specs comparison below. So compare the apples with the apples, and make your decision just on facts.

Pivotally speaking, there is not another machine around as good as ours, and after years in the Vibration industry (and personally decades in the health/fitness industry) we are so proud to bring it to the market for you all.

We understand that having great specs is NOT the end of the story, and know that great training support is paramount for getting the individual results you need – so we incorporated this kind of support into your purchase so you always have somewhere to turn for the correct information and techniques.

PEOPLE, Linear and Pivotal are NOT THE SAME (so techniques of use vary greatly)! But both are terrific when they work and when they are worked correctly.

I look forward, like Lloyd, to a future in this industry where the customer ends up the winner because they are getting the results they hoped for when they use their vibration machine.

No doubt you will hear from me soon

Cheers

Dhyana

www.gravityhq.co.nz

You’re looking for a machine that doesn’t exist, Scott

It was promised by Hypervibe with a launch date of around 3 years ago, which has been deferred over and over and still hasn’t happened.  If you’d checked out their website you see its still “under development”

If you give some details of exactly what you are looking for and why - someone will help you find a suitable machine

 OR contact Jon Hyams – his email address is in a post 5 below this one.  He’s a recommended distributor of Vibration Machines and will advise you and source a suitable machine for your needs.

Does anyone know about a machine Galaxy by hypervibe. Can not find one to try. I am in Cal.

Hello Lloyd,

I have been reading through this website trying to learn as much as I can about vibration training.  You have a plethora of information here.  My question is do you have recommendations on high energy lineal machines which can be obtained in the USA for use with your safe program.

Appreciate any additional guidance.

Thanks

Drew

Tammy, 

Lloyd is right pick a machine that is right for you and your budget. Don't let anyone try and talk you into one machine over another. Try vertical and try pivotal. See what feels right on your body and go from there. I own Nitrofit which I suggest you look into as a more affordable alternative to Hypervibe.  Our Nitrofit Deluxe is very similar in design and function but tuned down to more comfortable frequencies. Depending on what you are looking to use your machine for you may not need so much power. If you try several products and decide to go with ours, please Email me at jon@wholebodyvibration.net. I will be happy to give you more Information as well as give you a discount code to order a machine even cheaper online. 

After reading all this Im more confused than ever, Im trying to find some real and honest opinions on what are considered the top 5 machines.. I live in Fort Lauderdale FL and find it really odd that there seems to no where to go and test WBV machines for home use.. Im a normal female 5 5" 118 pounds so all Im really wanting to do is tone and maybe build a little.... I was thinking about the Hyervibe because thats all I seem to read good things about when reseaching the internet.. If anyone can point me to a better or as good machine that does not cost 2,600 that would be great and maybe some place where I can actually try before I buy.. Feel free to email me if you can be of help.. not sure if Im allowed to put my email address on here but Ill try, looks like you cant well I put it in the "Your Name" field.. Any way thanks for any help in advance.. Tammy