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Dean Mistura |
Posted On:2012-06-15 09:18:02
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New machine from Bodyshaker
As announced by Lloyd some time ago, one physio in collaboration with one major European company have been working on developing a machine that include vibration hand bars. And that is exactly what we were involved in for past, almost two years from initial idea until working commercial machine is produced. First pictures of it you can find on:
http://www.dobrevibracije.hr/#
Not to go in details, it is sufficient to say that all of us included in this project have had some serious headache and sleepless nights to report, that are probably integral part of any project such as this one. But, looking on end result, and seeing my customers exercising on it, all the effort is well worth it.
Also, a passion in people from Bodyshaker, their determination to improve existing design, and work with physio from some small country with crazy idea, is something that can not be bought. Thanks guys. Hope this investment of yours will prove to be excellent one.
The new design is allowing us more specific workout for our athletes, as well as easier exercising for sedentary patients. It also provide an opportunity to treat some of disorders of shoulder grid. I know that is something usual for you guys in NZ, since you have Vibra-train, but it is something completely new for all the rest of us.
In addition, We opened new, now third, vibration studio in our city. This one is integral part of my physiotherapy clinic, which means more patients will benefit from this technology.
As always, I have to thank you all here, for answering my questions,and being there for support. Especially thanks to you Lloyd. Without your help, none of this would be possible.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-06-14 22:24:20
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Very poor an Italian based company does not offer direct engineering support in France ? One of Europe's biggest economies. Unfortunately you are not alone....
Repost from 20/02/2011 regarding companies using the term "commercial " as a marketing tool........
The cost of reconditioning your large Power Plate Pro machine....
It has just come to light that it can cost $4000 per machine to replace all the wearable parts ( only replaced a few parts, nothing major like the motors ) . And this was not a hard worked unit by most studio standards. Anyone purchasing a machine should ask for a redeemable quote ( past the warranty date ) for all parts that might need replacing. And get it in writing, Power Plate are famous for reneging or even outright denying verbal deals. And get the quote from Power Plate head office, as in my country Power Plate have failed and relaunched 4 times, each owner not honoring the lasts promises.
If you have only 1 machine, this might be affordable. But imagine having 4 or more machines, as a business you would be staring down the barrel of a $16,000 bill to keep them looking tidy and running.
Note: The person is now trying to sell the machine for $6000 with no takers. You do the math's.
And Power Plate are not the only ones.....
Some companies are charging $800 for a single set of isolators ( the rubber bits that act like a car suspension system for the plate ) . If these are not replaced the machine becomes uncontrollable or stops vibrating properly.
Note: These companies simply deliberately made parts that break so they can fleece you later. And guess what, you can only use the exact parts they sell. Nothing else will work. Unfortunately the industry is not big enough to make producing generic parts profitable yet. So you really are stuck with the problem.
I hope this is a wake-up call to those who thought my warnings about companies just putting the label "commercial" on anything that moved was not scare mongering or an anti-competitive sales pitch. It is real and an ongoing concern.
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Anne Zilstorff |
Posted On:2012-06-14 19:32:44
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Ref Globus vibration machines
Please take a look at my blog - http://physioplate.blogspot.fr - before you decide which machine you want to buy.
As you can read I have and still have big problems with my expensive machine Euro 4 900 from Globus because
they do not noy have a after sale service in at least France.
If I had known that Globus does not offer any sales service,ex reperation I had never bought a machine from Globus.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-06-11 17:31:40
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My New Article – Advice to Vibration Training Instructors Part 1 - Get Tough!
http://www.vibeplus.com/2012/06/11/advice-to-vibration-training-instructors-get-tough-part-1/
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-06-09 09:49:16
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The OTO flabelos machine has been in our country for over 5 years. It never got popular.
It is a Medium Speed Pivotal . Not bad, but not great either. Used correctly it can give some results.
But they are toys compared to what we use in the studios
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nishal_v@yahoo.com |
Posted On:2012-06-09 06:43:40
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Respected Sir,
I wish that you compare the OTO flabelos with yours as the manufacturer is claiming that its the ulitimate whole body virbration machine. Many people are buying this brand and they are giving powerful feedback
Regards,
nishal
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-06-05 10:21:03
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Mike M ....
(1) Her back is "meant" to be straight, as you can see me try to correct her during the pose. But some people find it very difficult to hold perfect pose for a full minute. But you should "aim" for that.
(2) The half-plank is far more achievable and places much less stress on the lower back ( it is the one a mainly do ) .
(3) Shoulder angle.... also has to do with shoulder safety. So I really do advise you never bring your weight over your shoulder joint into that "hammering" position. .
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Mike M. |
Posted On:2012-06-05 08:42:58
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvixUS0F9eg
This is your own full plank video on youtube. The young lady in the video has at least 25 degrees or so of bend at the hips. Look at her back - it's parallel to the floor. The difference between doing it that way and the way I tried it (no bend at hips, and 110 degrees at the shoulder) is about 10X in intensity. That's what I meant - I can't do it that way and not contract the abs. I can barely do it that way at all. Doing it the way shown in the video is fairly easy but I wonder if it is working the abs enough. I also wonder if its similar enough since I reckon your machine is at least 6" - 1 foot higher off the floor than mine.
I was doing it earlier with straight body and 90 degrees at the shoulder; I see now that this was incorrect per the video. It does work the abs but not much difference from what's in the video.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-06-04 17:44:21
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Mike M...
" Pelvic stability , any other pose aiming to hit support ( secondary ) muscle
groups ..
This is where we try get the body to rebalance itself bringing into play
support muscle groups. This can be done because there is no direct response
available or it would be unsafe to do so.
Common misconception... The biggest mistake I see with these poses is when
the customer complains because it does not feel as intense as a direct
response pose, you must tell them "IT IS NOT MEANT TO". These are far more
subtle in nature and should never be confused with just hammering a large
muscle into submission. "
Note: I only do the half plank myself most of the time. I have little reason to work my back or abs hard out.
(my body was in a straight line not bent at the hips like you guys)
A couple of points and questions.....
Do not confuse the glute muscle for a bend in the hips. Everyone usually looks like they are bent at the hips in that pose. But the instructions state........
" Look down towards your knee area then drop your pelvis towards the ground enough so your back is straight".
" I also tried doing it with the 110 degree arm angle and my body straight and that was really hard!"..... what angle were you using before ?
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Mike M. |
Posted On:2012-06-04 08:19:49
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I did not mean to imply that everyone should try the pose that I described. Anyway I would probably not classify it as vibration training, it's more therapy than training I would say. I'd say if someone were much larger than I am (I weigh 225) they might need help doing it or maybe just avoid it altogether. It has definitely done a world of good for my back pain though.
It is interesting how some poses seem to help some people with problems but don't help others and other poses help those others with the same or similar problems. For instance I had been doing the plank for a while and while it seems to strengthen my core a bit it did little for my back problems. In point of fact I was re-watching the plank and mini-plank videos on here and I was doing it a bit differently than you guys (my body was in a straight line not bent at the hips like you guys) and when I tried it the way you show I don't feel it as much is the abs area especially when I do as Lloyd said and relax my abs (which I can't do if my body is straight like I was doing before). I also tried doing it with the 110 degree arm angle and my body straight and that was really hard! Like I can only do 15 seconds and it made me sore! I almost feel like I might be on to something there. So I was wondering - is the plank supposed to be really difficult, and if so, how can you do it with relaxed abs?
I also have a Wave machine which is a bit different than the machine in the video - I think the platform's a bit lower to the ground - which may change things up a bit. How to deal with that?
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-06-03 22:30:30
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I hope that all hotel gyms will soon have vibration machines. I have a sore back from traveling and then walking a lot. I could cure it in 3 minutes if the technology was available. 3 x 60 second squats or a 3 minute therapy back massage = relaxed lower back. As long as the machine is quality ( won't break down in 3 months) the brand name or type - pivotal or lineal really doesn't matter for this type of use - therapy / mild training.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-30 23:32:02
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Nicky.
I will call you tomorrow. Nice to get a response.
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Nicky |
Posted On:2012-05-30 22:30:08
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Hi I am answering to your thread on Trade Me for 10 Fibro Sufferers to come to the CBD
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-30 21:14:40
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A logical question regarding the new article.
A number of Vibration Training companies claim to sell "medical devices". But their machines can not accommodate the disabled, obese. or those carrying a range of injuries. So who exactly is meant to use it.
The average weighted healthy person ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-29 14:31:34
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Industry failing the Obese, Disabled and Health Professionals?
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John |
Posted On:2012-05-28 14:07:20
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This is phenomenal news from Lloyd. I agree that trust must lead the way. I also think it is great to name and shame publicly the con artists along with the "brought and paid for" researchers.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-27 11:16:29
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Flashback....
A selection of the 3000 consumer and industry peoples comments that were deleted by third parties, will be republished in article format. Unlike the academic paper and papers to come, all the names and brands will be published. Completely uncensored. With the most frequently asked questions and most controversial subjects getting their own article.
The great thing about this whole project is..
(a) The questions / situations are real. From real people. They are not "made up F&Qs from a marketing department. Some are questions no company seems to want to be asked.
(b) We can clearly show you, the consumer, why so much effort was put in to delete this work from the internet.
(c) No-one was forced to play a part. It is all voluntary behavior. With some amazing examples of genuinely well meaning people pitted against fakers and "get the sale at any cost" marketers. Like any industry it has a history. And this is part of ours.
(d) The industry is so young, we have the luxury of time to fix any of the damage that has been done. Some players will just become a bad memory while other have decided to move forward.
(e) The whole thing has been recorded by an unbiased third party for academic purposes. So it is going to be impossible to explain away by saying we are "anti-competitive" .
I truly believe the way to engage the consumer online in the future is through building trust. Which takes years of effort by highly passionate participants. Something dishonest or lazy people do not have the fortitude to do. No amount of "brought and paid for" researchers, Google optimization , celebrity endorsements, fake experts or flashy adverts will change that.
PS.......
It is funny to think our community was accused of not being professional, academic or smart enough from some parties who deemed themselves "experts". But our work and our ideas are now part of academia.
The beginning of the University News article states ' A hard-hitting paper on customer engagement......,"
"Hard hitting" is exactly what the world wants and needs. It is something our industry definitely needs to reach its potential. But not just hard hitting for the sake of it. It also needs solutions offered in the same breath.
Which is what we are all about.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-26 15:37:54
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Important Forum News....
The paper written on our online community work ( Online Consumer Engagement by Professor Rod Brodie, Linda Hollebeek, Biljana Juric and Ana Ilic ) has been shortlisted for an IBM award for the best article in the Journal of Services Research in 2012.
Our global work to form the IVTRB and its support network and directly engage the consumer will become more recognized as time goes by. And with it the people who made it happen. Ana Llic has been following all our work from day one, across 3 sites. A huge amount of data. And more work will be released on that in the future.
From our side this recognition will be used to warn the consumer about unethical / unsafe practices in our industry. From both manufacturers, marketers, academics and those who tried to delete our work for their own commercial interests.
I want both the positive and negative sides of this industry to be available for public discussion as part of online educational / engagement experience.
An important part of knowing who to trust in the online world .
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-24 21:45:01
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I do NOT recommend anyone copying the position that MikeM is using to give relief from piriformis or sciatic pain. Unless you are working with a Physical Therapist who recommends it - in my opinion the risks outweigh the benefits!
The IVTRB has given (free of charge) a SAFE, EFFECTIVE program that gives results of increased strength and more, along with dealing with many of the common body imbalances, and aches and pains. Here’s a link to a poster that shows the Safety Program. It’s essential to be in exact, perfect position and as simple as the poses look, they take some time to master (even in studios with an instructor) so follow the instructions carefully; getting someone to watch over you is helpful.
The Poster showing the Poses: http://www.vibeplus.com/2011/04/12/safety-program-for-use-with-lineal-vibration-machines/
Step by Step Instructions: http://howigetfit.com/2011/04/09/the-ivtrb-lineal-vibration-machine-safety-program/
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-24 19:17:31
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Mike M.
You are benefitting from the targeted vibration along with the stretch that you would do anyway. In my opinion, too much risk of twisting suddenly or moving in a jerking rather than smooth motion – but its working for you.
Do you do the Full Plank – exactly as the on the IVTRB poster? – I mean totally, exactly; not like on the floor with the arms flat and body over shoulders But with arms angled forward and up with fingers interlocked, body (plank) back with feet heels back ; underarm to body angle of 110 degrees
I started Vibration Training with piriformis syndrome/medial glutes injury that gave pain right down my whole leg to ankle, unable to sit in car for more than 10 mins, unable to sleep on that side. The Full Plank position, followed by the gentle forward stretch (with mat on platform), fixed it – it took a while, about 6 weeks which is quite long time but I’d had Osteopath and Physio treatment for a year with no real results. Very safe and very effective.
Now I do the Full Plank just once a week to stretch the glutes/hip area, and do the Mini- Plank (knees on floor,trunk stretched out) twice a week. The Mini-Plank is very effective at pulling the tummy in.
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Mike M. |
Posted On:2012-05-24 14:18:57
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I have recently discovered a new movement or position which has helped my back problem. I'll try to describe it as best I can. I think I saw a clip showing it on youtube but I can't seem to find it again so maybe I'm wrong. It is for anyone who (like me) has piriformis syndrome, sciatica, or other lower back problems caused by hamstring or hip problems. It is a variation on a stretch I used to do for it with some success but vibration seems to make it work so much better (for me) that the result has amazed me. Any way here goes:
Facing toward the vibration platform, turn right 90 degrees (to do the right hip). Cross the right leg in front of the left and rest it on the platform while standing on the floor with the left foot. Hold onto something to keep your balance. While the machine runs (I prefer a low speed on lineal like 30 Hz or the highest setting on a cheap pivotal) lean some weight onto the platform and bend both legs which is kind of a sideways lunge/squat (legs crossed). You will feel the right hip opening up with a good stretch in the hip and piriformis area. You may only be able to go down a few inches and you may only be able to rest the outer edge of your foot on the platform. This is a dynamic move - go up and down with it.
You can substitute the left side for right when you want to switch sides - turn left 90 degrees and cross the left leg in front of the right.
This move plus straight lunges has my back feeling the best it has in years.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-22 09:00:42
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Ward
A Vibration Training studio can request you ask your doctor to approve using the Vibration Machine. It is recommended to check with a medical person before beginning any new form of exercise.
Your doctor might not know much about Vibration exercise but he knows you, will check you are well, and can recommend light exercise or regular training.
The staff at the studio need to know about your current health – tell them if you are taking any medication to control epilepsy or if you are completely better. You haven’t told us your age, weight, current fitness level, any high or low blood pressure – the trainer will talk to you about all that.
It is unlikely that vibration would affect you – just a few people get headache or dizzy feeling. Make sure you eat before your session and also that you’ve had water/ adequate hydration. This gives you a raised level of blood sugar = energy for your workout, and helps prevent any dizzy feeling.
Once you have the doctor’s note if the studio accepts you, they will start you off gently and progress to harder exercise when you are used to the motion of the machines.
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ward |
Posted On:2012-05-22 08:10:45
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why if I suffered from epilepsy in the past ie last fit was at least 2005 I was told that I needed to get a doctors note to say that I can use the vibration plate can using the plate bring on an epileptic fit
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-21 22:03:01
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Flashback...
Someone asked me today if Power Plate really was as bad as I make out. Well here is a post from 2005 to show you the kind of thing I have witnessed.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: Power-Plates first real victim !!!
Power-Plate's first real victim.
Firstly i would like to send my sympathies to the poor woman who recently purchased a Power-Plate franchise in Royal Oak . After only 6 weeks of operation she is already gone. I have no idea how they talked her out of her money ( about 150k ) , but they did .
Now she is probably sitting at home wondering what went wrong while the Power-Plate owners are on an overseas holiday for Christmas. And yes they really are .
I was rung up by one of her friends and told this , and i was also told that after the money was paid , she was delivered the machines , and with hardly any training told to open and everything would be great. They offered no real support , and in a specialized industry like ours you really need it. Or you have no chance.
So what did she really get for her money.
Plastic Machines ( 3 )
Plastic advice ( lots )
I have sent her a message saying i will do everything in my power to help her get her money back. If she bought into the business on the pretext that the machines had won multiple awards , had years of university tests and tons of celebrity endorsements then she has a good case. I hope she isn't scared off by their size and acts now.
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John |
Posted On:2012-05-20 23:21:51
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Thianks Lloyd. Looking forward to the 10 year results in 2016. I have always felt the anti-aging or older crowd was the biggest market for vibration training even if it does not stop gray hair.
John T. Weatherly
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Posted On:2012-05-20 15:16:19
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New article ......
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-19 22:17:59
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To prove my passion and sincerity in forwarding our industry, I have just had the complete plans for both my machines, and the 3 types of vibration transfer systems I invented published on engineering websites ( US and Australia based websites ) .
This will help our industry move in a better direction at a faster pace, and stop unscrupulous companies trying to patent something they did not invent ( as we have seem before with Power Plate ).
I will be releasing further details on this subject soon .
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-19 09:49:27
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Carlos...
It even has the fake specs ( "Frequency Range 50-60Hz." ) which is not even close to the truth. More like 15hz maz speed.
But that does not mean it wont work to some degree if used properly.....
My main concerns with a family using these machines are sloppy poses, trying to run it at top speed "just because" and it breaking down very quickly with no support or real warranty ( never heard of one getting fixed yet ) .
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Carlos |
Posted On:2012-05-19 00:57:51
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Good am. New to the forum and the world of vibration training and exercise. I am looking for a nonbiased opinion on the
Confidence Slim Full Body Vibration Platform Fitness Machine
Please advise. I am looking for in use only for my family.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-18 22:28:56
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(1) Fq ranging from ......... 15hz - 25hz
(2) Amplitude set at ......... 0.5 mm.
(3) Max g-force exerted..... 1.26g
(4) 60 second poses
(5) Squat pose done at exact 110 Degree angle
As predicted, once precise angles are used ( instead of random amateurish poses, as mentioned as a deciding factor in inconsistent research results in the past ) the specs become almost secondary. All plates no matter what their specs or action will give some positive benefits.
What level of benefit will be the only question left eventually.
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