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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-13 09:16:09
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Leonid
Read the machine reviews here:
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
The DKN Machines have a lineal (upright) vibration, very different from the BM1500 Pivotal machine you are using now.
If you have a sore body from using the Body Sculpture BM1500 machine I suggest you wait longer before buying a DKN lineal machine.
You can follow the IVTRB Safety Program here: Click on Pivotal for your machine
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-13 08:53:04
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Barbara
I haven’t heard of Vital Step pivotal machine (Lloyd might answer you later).
You can look up the machine reviews here and compare it to one of the pictures to see what type of machine it is
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
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Leonid |
Posted On:2012-08-13 06:10:41
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Hello!
I'm not a sports person. I am 50 years old. To engage in regular physical activity can not - tough. Already have a Body Sculpture BM1500. After a month of training was a huge relief - was able to return to work after two years of hiatus. After 3 minutes of Body Sculpture BM1500 sore body, the load enough (have been doing this month). On your advice I want to buy DKN XG10. The question is not whether it will be very strong for me? Maybe better to buy DKN XG5? Or stop until there is a change from training at the Body Sculpture BM1500?
Forgive me for my English, and Google.
Thank you!
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Barbara |
Posted On:2012-08-13 06:07:31
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Do you know anything about the Vital Step I believe it is a pivotal machine
It would be nice to be able to do a "search" in your comment section. This would help look up an answer to a question, especially one about a specific brand or machine.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-11 18:13:35
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Olympic vid...
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-05 11:25:27
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Cindy...
This is a Pivotal machine ( as per the review ) .But they do quote the specs as 8hz - 30hz on the PDF brochure. It would be very wise to email them and ask specifically if this is accurate or an exaggeration ( fake specs ) .
If they are not accurate, then don't buy. If this is the case , check out a company called HyperVibe, they also sell Pivotal platforms ( but unfortunately if the salesperson is Gabriel Ettenson, I can not recommend you deal with him )
As for the price. You can do quite a bit with these types of machines. And if you followed a proper program, you will be fighting the Osteo on every level. So look at the warranty etc... and see if it is worth it. As it will probably last you a very long time.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-05 09:09:35
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Me again. Correction on that price. I had a bad feeling the guy quoted me on the personal model vs the deluxe even though I I was very clear what I wanted. Yep, I was right to think "too good to be true" the price is really USD1,820.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-05 07:30:51
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Hi Lloyd,
Thanks again for the advise. I found a nitrofit deluxe for USD994 with a lifetime warranty on the parts. The company is located within 100 miles of me but does not have a showroom so I can not try it out first. They have a two week return and six month exchange. Would this be a good choice. Thanks.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-04 21:04:47
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This is at the top of every page on this site.....
3 Rules to remember
1. Any Vibration does not = Vibration Training
2. Light Vibration = Therapy
3. Heavy Vibration = Training
Now understanding that, and matching it up to this article ( which you would have hopefully already read )
The next question is how many levels do you want to fight the Osteoporosis on ? The more levels, the more you are asking of the machine. Which will of course dictate the price.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-04 20:49:08
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Cindy...
Putting up brands would be pointless. As they just change the name all the time.( And sorry we cant put up every machine ever built. )
The descriptions are the key. Kind of like the difference between a bicycle, motor car and truck. All "have wheels" ( what a dishonest marketer or salesperson would say ), but are clearly not made for the same tasks. Once you get the "idea", you cant be ripped off or but the wrong product.
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Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
These units have no real amplitude and are basically stable platforms that can be used for everything from Osteoporosis treatment, weight lifting to Pilates/Yoga type movements. They will range in size from a bathroom scale to the size of a small bed. Usually low profile and almost silent due to small motors needed to drive such a device (smaller than a coke can). Some medical devices fit into this category so they may be more expensive due to controlled electronics, but usually are cheap to build.
Does that not describe the VibePlate perfectly. No matter what the brand name or claimed specs are.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-04 12:05:44
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Hi Lloyd,
Thank you for such a quick reply. When I look at your machine review page I could not tell what machines, by brand, fall under each category, and none of the pictures seemed close enough to the vibeplate. And of course the specs they provide make it seem better than it in reality it apparently is. Thanks for this advise, I will take it. Can you tell me your opinion what is the best to buy in this price range in the USA, i.e. approx USD2,000
Thanks again.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-04 09:55:32
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Cindy...
As you can see the VibePlate falls into Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
So if you are going to use it as a pure therapy product, I see no problem buying it. But the price is a complete rip off, as it is a very low powered cheap product.
Eg..... The ProForm Activator V7 ( Google it , ) often goes for under $500 and comes with hand weights ) The ProForm Activator 3 is approx. $300
The smallest and similar powered unit at VibePlate is $1999 ????
My take on VibePlate in general is a company out to make as much money as possible before the consumer wises up.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-04 08:03:43
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Hi Lloyd,
I found your website to be the best place to gain information on vibration training and machines. Many other sites have passed along links to yours. I am just an end user looking for a machine to combat bone density issues from aging, as this runs in my family. I live in Southern California, USA, am a complete newbie, and was wondering if you have an opinion on the brand VibePlate. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your time.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-02 10:49:34
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Vibra-Train Auckland City and Vibra-Train Howick (and many of our other studios) have recently run deals on a “daily deal” website – the sort where you pay about 1/3 of the price if you buy on that website, on the day the deal is active.
Here are some of the comments that newbies have posted onto the deal website:
· Totally different experience and it’s harder that I thought but I love it!
· Staff is friendly and corrects your poses precisely to make sure clients get the most benefits.
· Fantastic! Glennis is encouraging, patient and positive.
· Good Trainers. Good Support.
· I told all my friends and now they want to go. Please do another deal.
· ..... was an excellent trainer and very knowledgeable.
· Awesome. Only 10 mins long, it’s supervised and I feel it in my quads.
· The best exercise ever. 15 mins and you feel like you’ve done an hour in the gym, full body workout. Highly recommend it.
These comments were never asked for by us. They were on the merchant site when I marked off the vouchers.
It says a lot really – we are very strict about poses being held correctly for the time duration. We don’t tolerate laziness or people moaning that it’s too hard – we just get on with it and encourage/insist they complete the full safety program. Hard Work = Great Results.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-27 14:18:23
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An old "predictive" article John. But enough Personal Trainers are now using Vibration Training ( real machines not toys ) as a successful core business strategy they are managing to be truly independent.
As in the rest of the world, basically old boys clubs run the gyms, strangling all competition and forcing PTs to pay a fee to belong to them to get a job. ( basically a bribe as the qualification means nothing. You can buy a cert online ) .
I am hoping their stories are inspirational. and eye opening
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John |
Posted On:2012-07-26 00:02:10
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Thats a fine article and I will look forward to the follow-up article. One thing that I do not believe universities in the U.S. and organizations such as the NSCA do is provide students factual data and realistic information about jobs in the field and the job market. You have all these schools that all need students. What they fail to tell people is there are not many good jobs in the exercise field. As you stated, many who do work in the field may "wise-up" and get a real job about the time they get married and want to own a home. There are not many "good jobs" in the exercise field. I would like to see data from universities and organizations such as the NSCA on how many students who obtained degrees in exercise science or so-called sport science are actually working in the field and making a decent living. They do not seem to like to share this type of data.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-25 18:28:13
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A new to the fitness industry personal trainer will be doing a follow up article on this older article soon......
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-07-20 00:00:17
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Shannon
Think about it. Do you believe what they say on the website. Do you believe a small machine like that oscillates up to 30Hz when Premier Speed Pivotal Workout Machines like the two in the article I linked to, deliberately have top speeds of 22Hz and 28Hz.
And If it could go to 30Hz how does that cause your muscles to contract at 50Hz, add in also that one foot is up when the other is down, side to side movement.
Then think about whats happening when when you simply stand on the machine. Theres rebalancing going on, it gets the blood moving too BUT theres minimal exercise involved. True Vibration Training is NOT simply standing on tiny seesaw motion machine. Read the link below , NO SUCH THING AS A BAD MACHINE and read my article, linked a few posts below.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-19 19:10:38
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Read this carefully...
If a company or salesperson is doing anything "dodgy". Time has shown us the consumer will end up paying the price. This industry is not new anymore, and anyone being dodgy is doing so out of plain dishonesty.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-19 18:58:24
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The company is using well known fake specifications to sell its product. So they are either idiots or liars.
Based on that, I would not buy off them.
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shannon |
Posted On:2012-07-19 16:19:53
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wondering if anyone has experience with this machine www.whole hyphen bodyvibration.net
would you recommend it
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-07-19 08:04:14
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I work in a specialised Vibration Training Studio where we provide fully supervised Workouts and Therapy sessions BUT what if you prefer to buy a machine to use at home or in your office? - There are two I recommend – both are pivotal platforms. They are both also suitable for small gyms (or Personal Trainer studios) and for larger Vibration Training Studios that have a mix of Lineal and Pivotal machines.
http://www.vibeplus.com/?p=2855
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-17 18:02:29
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Power Plate still acting unethically deliberately misleading consumers....
" Power Plate South Africa whom I dealt with when I bought it stated on the invoice it was imported from Power Plate Holland. "
" Someone came to help me tilt it today and it says the following underneath: Designed in the European Union, Manufactured in China"
Never trust anyone from Power Plate. They actually seem incapable of telling the truth.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-15 10:47:54
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Had someone come into my studio today asking if I could fix a well known brand for him. It has been in a gym for only 9 months, but the warranty did not cover the damage that had been done to it. Unfortunately there was nothing I could do.
Anyone looking at using this type of equipment in a high use, maybe high abuse situation. Really needs to follow my advice from this older video.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-14 10:38:41
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DK Daniels .....
Easy choice..... HyperVibe
VibraTrim have been selling machine with fake specifications for years AND used highly unethical scare tactic marketing to push their machines. I wouldnt trust anything they say.
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DK Daniels |
Posted On:2012-07-14 07:58:23
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I am 57 and have just started looking at Vibration machines in the last month. Ihad no idea what Iwas getting myself into. SO many choices and so many decisions. I am a diabetic and mostly am looking for cirulation to start but also want to tone myself up. Just bought an eliptical machine and went from 240 to to 220 and my blood sugar is doing great.
I had narrowed it to either the Hypervibe going to 27Hz and the Vibratrim which is a spiral, each rep talks bad about the other only to confuse me. Can anyone tell me if they have a spiral type and why you choose that over say pivital, it would help he out considerable. I allways went to consumer.org before making any gym type equipment decision but they have not done anything on Vibration machines.
I first seen a machine at a home show a few months ago but the two machines Ive looked at on the web Ihave not been able to step on and get a hands on view in the St. Louis area.
Many Thanks
DK
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John |
Posted On:2012-07-13 02:46:55
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Interesting article dealing with cheating, ethics, etc. and the Olympics by former USOC Heads of Sports Physiology and Biomechanics Drs. Mike Stone and Bill Sands at www.sportscienceed.com. Kind of reminds me of the vibration area. It is also interesting that Sands will be joining Stone at ETSU. In spite of many calling themselves "sports scientists" in the U.S., these "sports scientists" are few and far between. ETSU is the ONLY university in the U.S. that I am aware of where scientists and students actually interact and work with athletes and coaches in the athletic department. Yet, there are all these people at universities that like to call themselves "sports scientists" but do not do anything with athletes at their own universities.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-11 18:41:17
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I.V.T.R.B. Training Program.
This is what we stand for. Nice simple practical advice.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-07 11:36:36
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To give everyone an idea of how well our industry is being perceived here in N.Z. and the caliber of people wanting to be involved.
We recently advertised for a part time position at a studio. We had Physios, a gymnastic coach, someone who had worked with disabled people for years, and other assorted highly qualifies fitness industry professional. Even a Psychologist looking toward obesity work.
All just wanting to be "involved".
I have been working on the triggers, that create the tipping points for this industry to be taken seriously since we launched. My pilot program in N.Z. took all of this into account. The triggers are varied and very important. Thousands of free sessions and money spent on projects that have no direct benefit to my company.
Even helping other companies, individual, and other studios ( globally ) lead by example.
It is quite simple. We took it seriously, and the world will follow.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-07-07 10:19:37
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John...
Don't worry. Their incompetence will be a part of our industries written history, name and shame. The internet has changed the game and part of the IVTRBs job is to get the issue some attention.
And why does it need to be brought to the consumers attention. Simply because for far too long researchers have gotten away with sloppy or sometime ulterior motive driven research. Going to any lengths to make the research "valuable". All the while pumping themselves up to be "intellectuals"
People think it is just drug companies that do it, but they are wrong.
In my opinion, if we are to get good solid research done. The kind that blows all the skeptics right of the water with only one paper ( yes that can be done if the study is flawless ). Those clowns and leaches can not be allowed anywhere near the industry. Ever again.
Note: I have made my goals on this subject quite public already, and the academic community are fully aware of my plans. Most are just hoping I am full of hot air and try to shrug it off ( they obviously don't do their homework on that point either ). To be fair I have stated if a public apology is made, I will leave it at that. If not, I am going after them.
Interesting feedback...... Because of my outspoken opinion, I have been approached by other like minded real academics, who want to be involved in the real science of Vibration Training. Good sign we are not alone.
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