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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-26 17:55:26
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I am trying to expose the unethical nature of doing reviews on research where machines with fake specs were used.
It will be interesting to see if this group of academics dare to question their peers behavior. Or cover for them as usual.
This is the conversation so far......
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-22 02:00:17
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A lot of the " shakers and fakers" are going to exposed this year. Good old fashioned time has proven some of my more controversial attacks on companies and individuals spot on.
(1) Companies that have made it a part of their official marketing strategy To scare the crap and money out of the elderly, vulnerable and disabled. Pivotal Vs Lineal etc..
(2) Companies promising "new": technology and models " that never existed.
(3) Companies promoting the ":anything goes" : mentality to something that is meant to be a DISCIPLINE.
This year I will be doing a number of videos parodying these unethical clowns and hopefully allow the consumer a more comical take on quite a serious subject.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-14 05:24:44
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I am also angry with the so called expert in the video who is instructing Mercola to do this fancy footwork. So glad I found this site before making a significant investment and starting an exercise program. Thanks again.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-13 22:20:22
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Regarding Dr Mercola....
His little video has made some impact alright. I have had a few people into my studio as a direct result of his marketing. And I even had one lady say he looked " ( and I quote ) " scared shitless " . The machine looked unstable and so did he.
The good thing for me is, every time clowns like that release a video. It clearly defines how serious we take this form of therapy and training. It is a no brainer for the consumer who are the experts, and who are the pretenders.
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Keith |
Posted On:2013-02-13 20:07:03
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Hi Lloyd, Di,
My neighbour asked me yesterday if I knew of Mercola as she had been advised to follow his teachings I suppose you would call it.
I told her that once he started punting powerplate that was the end of his credibility for me and that profit was his god.
Ive just seen the Mercola video. Even on my machine that would have meant smashed knees and damaged shoulder joints in very quick order.
I have put her through your safety programme on my machine and cant wait to show her this video by Mercola. It hurt just looking at it.
Thanks to Nancy G for the post.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-13 18:39:34
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Interesting article here.....
My aim is to have masses of vibration training ( vibration exercise ) research retracted due to incompetent researchers "forgetting" ( re not smart enough ) to get the platforms tested for accurate specs. Loaded and unloaded. Making the duplication of the research impossible.
I also wish to name and shame these fake experts, so they can never blight our industry again.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-13 18:24:31
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That type of machine is a Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
Moving around or lifting weights on the machine is what some companies call "acceleration training' . It may ( but not always ) slightly accelerate the results of what you are already doing.
The biggest problem with even giving a definite opinion on how effective it is. Is no company has been strict enough on its advised use. The only thing I can say for sure, is it is safe. .
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Gabriel. |
Posted On:2013-02-13 17:15:40
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Hello! I live in Brazil and I purchased a ProForm Activator V7. I'm liking the results, I practice bodybuilding and it has given me good results! It is placebo? The machine is worthless?
Thank you!
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-11 17:15:13
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Thank you, John. I will phone and ask them about their recommendations. I know that the vibration (lineal) is advertised to be 28 - 30 hz, the recommended range for training benefits, and cannot be adjusted. There are four built in programs. Using the Exervibe apparatus on alternating days without vibration is a good option.
BTW...they offer an ExerClimber and an ExerStepper. Both look good. The Climber offers additional options for exercising the upper body.
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John |
Posted On:2013-02-11 15:30:14
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NancyG,
Contact VersaClimber for specifics on the Exervibe use. Remember, vibration can be used for different purposes such as warmup, circulation, range of motion, etc. in addition to what appears to be your main concern of bone health. Used as a training method I would stick to every other day or twice a week. So, you could do vibration 2 or 3 days a week and a cardio workout on the inbetween days. There are many possibilities. One thing you do not want to do is overuse vibration and in my opinion this is easy to do because people do not seem to be aware of neural fatigue.
John T. Weatherly
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2013-02-11 13:21:57
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Watching the video of Dr Mercola on the machine is scary. The Powerplate isn’t a strong machine yet Dr Mercola can’t hold the positions that he’s recommending for fitness for elderly people. He looks like he’s never used a machine even though he’s been selling them for over a year.
But, I’m going to say I would never recommend elderly people try those poses on any machine.
Instead follow a SAFE, CONTROLLED program – The IVTRB SAFETY PROGRAM (http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs)
- The positions are held completely static (not moving) and are very balanced and supported. (even better on a Vibra-Train in a studio as we have side vibrating handlebars used for added support in squats BUT the program is great used with any machine)
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-11 07:36:50
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Thank you, Lloyd and John. Your comments are very helpful. It sounds as if the Exervibe, as well as a good lineal or pivotal platform, would be an excellent investment for overall fitness. It remains to be seen whether it can accomplish my goals regarding bone health since as far as I'm aware, no studies have been done with this machine with that particular focus.
Another question: how often, and for how long each time, would someone work out on the Exervibe if general fitness was their goal? I am in my 70s. Would I approach it similarly to a traditional vibration platform with brief workout sessions every other day? Would there be any restriction for how often or how long to use it? You have the option of using it with or without the vibration component. Thank you.
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John |
Posted On:2013-02-10 14:04:40
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NancyG,
I have corresponded with Lloyd for quite a few years now. His knowledge is vast. He knows more about the different vibration modalities than anybody I have encountered and I know quite of few researchers and other conditioning specialists. I have not had the opportunity to use his machines yet as he is in NZ but believe what he says. Vibration equipment I have used would be Vibraflex and some other platforms along with the Exervibe. It depends on your goals and needs. For older people looking for one machine that can do a lot, I agree with Lloyd that Exervibe is the top choice for a personal purchase. You can use it for vibration and as a climber. The VersaClimber by itself is a tremendous piece of equipment but add vibration on top of it like you get with Exervibe and you have a unique tool. And the equipment VersaClimber makes takes a beating. It is high quality.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-10 10:41:19
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Please note: The Exervibe is NOT considered by me as a "Vibration Training" product. It is a standard bit of exercise equipment with Vibration attached to it. Pure Vibration Training is a very particular and specific idea.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-10 10:26:48
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Which machine....
For pure bone health..... I Favor the Static Lineal Safety Program done on a Medium Energy Lineal unit .
Next favorite would be the HyperVibe ( similar static poses held )
The Exervibe is more a mix mash of ideas. But I like the idea of light vibration, mixed with climbing, mixed with cardio. So for "over-all" health. That would win out.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-10 10:18:08
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My elderly programs ...
We follow the IVTRB Safety Program principles at all times. Which range in poses from pure therapy to high performance power poses. But all have 2 things in common.
STABILITY and SIMPLICITY
Because it is about perfecting a posture over time, which allows you to move forward to a more challenging position or machine in the future. The more complicated and random a pose appears, the less likely you can ever achieve advancement.
Note: From my experience to date. The people who spend the most time talking techno jargon to the public and being all complicated. Are over compensating for lack of real knowledge. The kind of positions they promote really need to be done under the watchful eye of a Vibration Therapy Trainer.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-10 08:20:02
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I continue to research machines and platforms for home use. We have limited floor space. I have narrowed my choices to Hypervibe, the VersaClimber or Exervibe (lineal vibration) suggested by John Weatherly. All three are well made by reputable companies and appear to do what they claim.
Question: If you can afford any one of these and if bone health and general fitness in older age are your main goals, which of these would you, Lloyd or John, (or anyone else reading this who has experience with these) recommend?
Is the additional cost of the Exervibe ($5000 vs. $2000 for the VersaClimber or $2600 for the Hypervibe) worth it? I like the upper body and cardio aspects of the climbing apparatuses.
Tough decision for me since all are good machines. Thank you.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-10 08:07:41
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Thanks, Lloyd. Dr. Mercola has lost some credibility with his endorsement of Power Plate. Also, the positions he is demonstrating in the video would appear to be challenging for many elderly. He's having difficulty holding the poses and is still reasonably young and quite fit. Do you recommend poses like this for your elderly clients?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-09 23:40:10
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Dr. Keith DeOrio is mentioned in the article....?
This guy is famous for telling people this....
" two motors produced "detrimental effects on brain and body synchronization," effects that he was able to reverse at his clinic".
You know someone is a desperate fake when they bring out the brain damage argument. Scare tactic marketing at it's most disgusting and unforgivable.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-09 23:24:30
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As far as the program goes. It is what you would consider a Physio program. Note: The kinds of poses they are showing can only be done on a light machine.
Read this very old article of mine to understand the end goals of different programs and equipment....
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-09 23:14:31
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The research results are typical of any Medium Energy Lineal product used on that population. And I welcome any positive response Vibration Training can give a user.
But a few points to ponder....
(1) Power Plate research is mainly done on machines they do not sell to the public.
eg...... Research seldom quoted is from a machine Power Plate no longer produce.
"pepped" up machines supplied to researchers. The weaker ones sold to the public.
The below is the kind of trickery involved in gaining consumer confidence by people like Dr Mercola.... ( the below is from his own website ) But then he sells Power Plates. The first company recorded to sell fake machines and rip off thousands of people and businesses ??
Buyer Beware: Not All Acceleration Equipment are Created Equal...
There are many cheap machines out there so please understand that not all machines will provide identical benefits. In fact, cheap machines using faulty construction could cause harm. In my opinion, here's what you want to look for when shopping for Acceleration (or Whole Body Vibration) Training equipment:
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Solid steel construction. Avoid plastic platforms as they can and do break. Watch for sturdiness as you watch their demo video.
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Adequate weight limit. If it can't handle your weight, it can break or strain to run at a lower intensity level.
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Who is selling the equipment? Know the company and their reputation.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-02-09 12:59:25
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Lloyd, would you care to comment on this demonstration for the Power Plate? Notice the title of the video. Thank you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-02-05 14:37:11
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3 times a week is all you need to do Day on day off as a regular user.
Remember over training can be as bad for you as under training.
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Casey |
Posted On:2013-02-05 10:03:52
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Hi Lloyd,
How often is the maximum amount of times I can got a week, I am a weekly payer at my local studio and want to make full use of it without over doing it. I am also going to start doing weight training 2 times a week, when would be best times to do this
THanks
Casey
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Laura |
Posted On:2013-02-01 10:04:26
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Thanks Di and Lloyd your advice is much appreciated.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-31 16:10:39
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Hello Laura.....
We do not have a big issue with push up positioning and headaches, but that is because our platforms are elevated. This makes a massive difference in how controlled ( especially Woman ) feel in the push up position. It can really stress some people out and set them up for a headache by position #3.
Maybe getting a much thicker mat ( 10 cm + ) could help.
Otherwise all the advice Di Heap gave is relevant.
Note; We ended up selling 353 deals. And it has been insane if here all week.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2013-01-31 08:57:46
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Hi Laura
Just jumping in ahead of Lloyd here
Yes, some people tense their neck and shoulders which can bring on a headache. Training can elevate blood pressure (tense, unused to exercise, obese). This usually resolves after a few short sessions and using the methods you’ve already tried – eating a full meal or a banana before training and being adequately hydrated. Some people rush into the studio and others who walk a distance to the studio need to sit down and rest before their session.
These are the Steps I Try
A rest before training (and the usual, banana and hydration)
An aspirin just before the session (if the person is okay with that and it’s not contraindicated by other medication they are taking. Their doctor can advise on this)
Ensure their position is perfect including head down (not held up). In the squat also make sure they are balanced and not pulling back on the handlebars (water-skiing)
Short time periods – 30 seconds instead of 60 seconds, realising this is not going to give training results but I use it to get the person comfortable with the machine. I also stick with upright poses, with rest between, and leave out the pushup – the 2nd position (IVTRB Safety Program).
If they still get headache or you think they are really tensing up, I use a therapy pose – sitting them in a chair with their feet on the edge of the machine (put a mat on the machine first). Make sure they know this is not exercise; it’s just to get them used to the feel of the vibration. Do this for 2 sessions, trying just one minute at a time and repeating that a few times. Add in a few squats when they are ready – session 3 maybe.
I n the end though, vibration training isn’t for everyone
Look at this article : http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-41---50/headaches-when-vibration-training-reasons-and-cures
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Laura |
Posted On:2013-01-30 22:56:46
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Hi Lloyd
This is Laura from Vibrocise in the UK.
Interesting to hear you did a deal website we did this at one of the studios when we first opened and sold 500 deals its a real good way to introduce people to Vibration Training this was 2 years ago and we still have some of those customers with us today. We did a another deal site last year again and sold 200 so people are really interested in it.
I also just wanted to ask any studio owners if they have any customers that come in and after about the 2nd position on the safety programme get a really bad headache and have to stop the workout? We have been through the common causes like not being hydrated and made sure they have eaten so their blood sugar levels are ok. I am wondering would it be because there are to tense when holding the positions that this causes pressure to the head or would it be that this happens to some people and its not suitable for them? Please share any suggestions or experiences.
Thanks - p.s we use vibrogym pro’s in our studios.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-01-24 21:01:23
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Massive shift in exercise mindset. Towards Vibration Training
We have just run a daily deal, in direct competition with a well known boot camp company.
Deal was the same price, we had it spread over only 2 locations. They had it over 13 locations.
We sold 240 deals , they sold 115.
There is no way we could have competed with them for numbers this time last year. Let alone double their figure.
These deals are great for brand exposure, but I love the way they directly manage to gauge consumer perception of Vibration Training. Way more accurate than any survey a marketing company can give you.
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NancyG |
Posted On:2013-01-12 14:30:43
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Thank you, Lloyd. WBV it is.
And thank you, John. My husband and I will be spending several days in Orange County next week before we head to Los Angeles. I will see what I can learn about Exervibe. Good timing. Much appreciated.
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