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Kim Powell |
Posted On:2012-10-04 15:07:14
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I have a muscle wasting disease. I read in the muscular dystophy magazine that Loyd Shaw was kindly offering to give free workouts to people like me. I have been going 2 to 3 times a week for the last two and a half years and have gained muscle strength. When I started I could only complete a 20second squat but now I am doing the full program plus a few extra exercises to help my particular problems, such as weakness in my neck. I feel that Monty should come and see for himself before he makes any judgements. Come and see. Give it a try. I feel much better now, that is for sure.
Thanks Loyd I do really appreciate what you have done for me.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-10-04 13:25:00
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Well I’m issuing a challenge to Monty Betham to come into Vibra-Train Auckland City and do a full regular session. Are you up to it, Monty?
I watched “The Ridges” first episode where it was said that Monty was dismayed to hear that Jaime was doing Yoga and Vibra-Train for fitness and since then I’ve heard from several people that Monty dismisses Vibra-Train.
As a Vibra-Train instructor I see all sorts of people from the really unfit, morbidly obese (and those with disabilities) right through to people who are Olympic standard (some medal winners) and they all get a REAL workout and REAL results at Vibra-Train.
I’ve previously worked in a gym and brought to Vibra-Train other gym instructors and personal trainers, including those who had laughed and held the pig-headed opinion that no one could get fit from using a vibration machine. They soon changed their minds – one session was all it took.
I want to see the expression on your face, Monty, after a 2 minute SuperSquat. Come on, don’t be a meathead and make unqualified statements, come in a prove yourself!
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-10-04 01:18:28
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Just to make this perfectly clear. Vibra-Train is an anti-obesity campaign. Prevention and possible solution.
What I am waiting to see is if Monty Betham is man enough to stand by his disrespectful comments, or will he hide behind his family and charity.
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Petrina Sheppard |
Posted On:2012-10-03 22:34:22
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Hi I too like Debbie have been training in Muay Thai. I stopped competing a couple of years ago due to work and family committments. In the past I have trained to international level. I am a former NZ champion. Since stopping my kickboxing and gym training I started to fell quite tired and lethargic. I found it hard to get the motivation to go to the gym or do other exercise that I use to love to do. I went with Debbie to vibratrain and liked it as there is no excuse for not doing10mins exercise. I was concerned about my lack of fitness and not wanting to exercise. With vibratraining I have started to feel healthier and gain some strength to even do the odd kickboxing class again. With a busy lifestyle and working all day with special needs kids it is a good way to get stronger fitter and healthier a bit quicker without having to spend hours at the gym. It seems to help rehabilitate old injuries too. I would strongly recommend trying vibratrain.
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John |
Posted On:2012-10-03 22:14:21
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Wonderful to hear how VibraTrain has helped Debbie Malam after serious injuries. The time efficiency, as she mentioned in her post, is important for many as it will help with adherence.
John T. Weatherly
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Wayne Campbell |
Posted On:2012-10-03 21:37:08
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As a Vibra-Train studio owner I am very disappointed to say the least to hear that a well known celebrity and former professional athlete Monty Betham is actively criticising Lloyd Shaws work to help fight obesity and other health problems in New Zealand. I have been involved with Lloyd Shaw for over 8 years, in that time i have been astounded at his drive, persistence and dedication to giving up his time and money to achieve this. Much of the work he does in this area is done for free, and I cannot understand why anyone who truly has the health and welfare of other people at heart would do this? Surely the end result is the most important thing here? I can only question Monty Bentham’s real motivation if this is true.
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DebbieMalam |
Posted On:2012-10-02 21:18:22
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Vibratrain Supporter...
I am new to Vibratrain, have been doing Vibratrain now for the last two months. I come from a strong Muay Thai,Thai Boxing background, having concentrated on the fitness side of the sport as well as the competition for well into 20 years now.
A few years ago, I sufferred a serious injury, breaking my leg, ankle and foot, which meant having to go through 3 surgeries, having 11 screws, two rods and one plate put into my leg ankle and foot to stabilise it. This meant I lost 40 percent flexibility and lost basic movement.
As a result of lack of exercise, poor diet and injury, I plonked on a lot of weight, and my tone quickly faded.
Since doing Vibratrain for this short period of time, I have gained back flexability, strength and tone... I have lost 4kg without much effort at all..... my ankle does not ache or swell and I am noticing my body shape change.
I could easily find an excuse not to go to the gym and workout for an hour, or an hour and a half.. but there is no excuse for not having time to participate in a 10 minute or 12minute workout on the Vibratrain machine.
If there is a skeptic out there, I would recommend trying Vibratrain before making a judgement on it.... Results are what matters, if i had the choice to take up working out in a gym for an hour to an hour and a half every second day, and Vibratrain.... Vibratrain would win HANDS DOWN..... I highly recommend for all to give it a go.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-10-02 20:39:44
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Time to go on the attack......
It has been reported to me multiple times a well known trainer here in NZ called Monty Betham has been denigrating my work for the last few years. But cant obviously be bothered to even come in and see what Vibra-Train does and represents. ( Even though he works in the same city and could have dropped in anytime ).
Now considering I have been doing free work since 2004 in the area of people with either muscle wasting conditions, medical or obesity issues that would inhibited them from exercising ( in the normally prescribed way PTs are limited to ). I am sick of people like him trash talking my alternative program just because they cant understand it.
Now I only entered the fitness industry to address issues I was seeing in the Mortuary, issues in my opinion the Health & Fitness Industry and Medical fraternity, had completely failed to comprehend and account for in its "solutions" And this is not the first time I have faced this issue..
But a few points aggravate the situation .....
(1) He has influence and many people respect him and his opinion
(2) He is an athlete so fully understands how the "arm chair critic" annoys people with actual experience.
(3) This guy is meant to be on the same side as me fighting Obesity. He was involved in setting up a charity group in my city to fight obesity ( good motive for rubbishing my work maybe ? ) .
I have been told my request ( re challenge ) for him to come and put his money where his mouth is, has been sent to his "agent". But I am pretty sure he didn't ask his agent's permission before trash talking my work.
This is the "official" response so far, a complete unambiguous denial ...
" no one within our organisation let alone Monty has any negative thoughts whatsoever on Vibra-train or any other techniques or initiatives"..
Someone is full of BS. Either the people repeating to me Monty's comments or the official comment is a lie.
If it turns out to be the later I plan to use this situation to highlight the unethical and uneducated nature of some people out there. And highlight it is only a lack of effort that creates such ignorance.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-10-01 17:02:49
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Michael
Better than a Power Plate. But you will be pushing its limits unfortunately.
Power Plates Pro lost full function at anything over 40kg. Fit-Vibe Pro will fair much better .
Having said that, following a safety program on any device should give some results.
Just be very careful of your joint angles and maybe find something to take load through your arms during your squats.
Regarding CHCH and Power Plate. I have no idea why any business down there trusts them, with their history of dishonestly and selling shoddy equipment. Very strange situation
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Michael |
Posted On:2012-10-01 01:26:35
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Hi Lloyd
As I am 160kgs, I need a robust machine to train on.
I would love to work out at a Vibra-Train studio, but as I live in Chch, my options are limited (it seems like all we have here are Power-Plate studios for women)
What are your thoughts about the FitVibe Excel Pro machine ?
Cheers
--Michael
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-24 18:46:49
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Hello David, that is great news. Glad to see our advice and recommendations being taken seriously. Using Pivotal alongside Lineal. So often we get labeled as anti-competitive by dodgy industry people. As you are aware, this technology used properly has the ability to help a lot of people. Good work.
Body-Shaker really deserve to do well as a company. They never sold out.
Unfortunately rubber isolators change their composition over a period of time. No getting around that.( Eventually I think most companies will follow my lead and move away from rubber )
Weight restrictions.... Hopefully they become a thing of the past as the consumer and health professionals vote with their wallets towards bigger platforms with more power. ( and also hopefully expose companies using fake max weight limits in the process )
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David Novatnak, D.C. |
Posted On:2012-09-23 14:35:25
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Lloyd I want to thank you for your advice regarding the vibration machines. I live in the States about 100 miles from Philadelphia. Upon your recommendation, I purchased a Nitrofit Deluxe for my clinic. It has been in service now for 21 months with no problems. I know there even have been a few instances that my staff has put patients on it that exceed the weight limit.
I also bought a BodyShaker Pro and have it in service for 15 months. The BodyShaker arrived with a damaged adjustable foot. Martin replaced the part at no charge. About a year into use, the rubber isolators were also bottoming out. I think mainly because I put a patient on it that exceeded the weight limit, way over the weight limit. He just found out that he is over 500 pounds. Nonetheless, Martin also sent me a replacement set of rubber isolators at no charge. In my view, BodyShaker far surpassed my expectations of standing by their product.
After about 1 year of working out on the machines I was tested on a high-end body composition analyzer, I had 15% more muscle mass than average for my sex, weight, and age.
The two machines have been a very useful adjuct to my chiropractic practice.
I would also like to thank Philippa Church for her guidance she has given me before I purchased the BodyShaker.
I would definitely recommend these two products.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-16 12:03:11
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I wonder if Power Plate actually give people a script to follow once they realize they have been ripped off, and want to sell it on to some other sucker...
different sales up today on TradeMe...
"only reason for selling is because i don't have the space for it. "
" new home does not have the space!"
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-09-11 12:29:53
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To clarify the post below: A few nuts is NOT a meal
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-09-11 10:59:47
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Reminder to Instructors – If you are training people on High Energy Lineal Machines, such as Vibra-Train and BodyShaker, it is essential – Rule Number 1 – that your clients eat before they train.
Note: Eat means – a complete meal around an hour before the session OR foods that rapidly raise the blood sugar such as a banana, even a few squares of chocolate just before training.
Ask your clients “what did you eat?” – not “have you had something to eat?”
Refusal to eat adequately = no training session. Be very strict on this.
At Vibra-Train studios you will be praised, never reprimanded, if you send a customer away because they haven’t eaten. Many studios have cafes nearby so it’s the customer’s choice to get some food and come back later, or not.
Not eating before training can mean a client becomes hypoglycaemic during or after the session. This can mean just a little lightheaded and needing rest, some people totally pass out and this happens without warning. Also consider that many people jump into their car and head off to work or home immediately after their session; if their blood sugar is still dropping they could suddenly feel very unwell.
Even after eating well some people feel a little dizzy during or after training; especially after their first session which can be a lot more intense than expected. Keep some glucose sweets or barley sugars behind the front desk and offer these. They are also useful during the session for people who have felt unwell previously or whom you believe have not eaten adequately.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-08 01:22:42
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Not advised if you are following a real training program..
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Bk |
Posted On:2012-09-07 21:45:28
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Lloyd,
Is it ok if I do vibration training workout 4 or 5 days straight and then rest 2 or 3 days straight?
Thank you in advance.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-07 18:05:25
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It really does not help when idiots who obviously lack critical thinking processes get involved in studies.
Classic example is the study John is referring to....
Why do they insist on calling everything done a machine, no matter what the position " vibration exercise"
What they cant work out the notion of Physio Vs Training ?
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John |
Posted On:2012-09-07 03:06:45
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Probably around 5 years ago now I was speaking on the phone with a professor at the U of Oklahoma who had sent me a review article on vibration studies. I thanked the professor for emailing me the article but then told him the article did not differentiate between the different platforms used in the studies. The professor said "so the type of plaform or vibration device could influence the results." He agreed with me but it was the way he said it that made it almost "laughable" to me. Just think - these "expert researchers" in their "peer-reviewed" review article grouped all the studies together - no matter which or what type of platform was used. It is just bizarre. And besides that many of the studies included in the "review article" did not even test the platforms to see if they performed as advertised under loads before doing the "research." And these folks are PhD "research scientists" and it gets published as a review on the topic of vibration in a "peer-reviewed" journal.
John T. Weatherly
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John |
Posted On:2012-09-07 01:08:20
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The platforms obviously make a huge difference. I just saw a study by Elmantaser et al. published in the Sept 2012 J. Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact that was 16 weeks long and used men with an average of 33 years of age as subjects. The study looked at Galileo vs Juvent and the Galileo group showed significant increases in GH, decreases in cortisol and bone resorption. This is one of the very few studies I have seen comparing platforms directly.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-06 00:13:08
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I put up this vid 2 years ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpBDfPno7fc&list=UUdr50aEfipyQmlfzBouM7jg&index=12&feature=plcp
Lots of visits from engineers and my competition, but so far nothing .
How am I to release my new machines, if no one has copied my old ones yet.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-05 21:37:53
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Yes. Lots of pretenders and / or dishonest people involved at all levels of our industry. Let them have their false glory or ill gotten gains for now.
Great thing about time, is it strips and crumbles all castles built on sand.
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John |
Posted On:2012-09-05 12:18:51
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In regard to testing machines, it is amazing how all these studies were published in "peer-reviewed" journals prior to the International Society of Musculosketal and Neuronal Interactions making their recommendations for vibration research in 2010. I have corresponded with Lloyd for several years now and these recommendations are basically what he has been saying the whole time. To show you how smart some of these scientists are they did not even test platforms to see if the platforms operated accurately under loaded conditions prior to conducting research that was published in "peer-reviewed" journals. Just junk science is all many of these studies have been. Just curious how you can have "peer-review" on something new. If it is very new there cannot be many "experts" for the "peer-review" process to get published in scientific journals. In this instance, the "peer-review" process is an oxymoron.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-02 16:11:25
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As my company grows and I gain influence. I am going to be asking the harder questions in articles.
It is public record a Vibration Training company offered me a check to keep silent for a period of time on the fake specs issue. They had a 5 year contract in Asia where they could not change the design. It needed to be kept quite until that lapsed and they could upgrade the factory. We are talking big money here and tens of thousands of machines.
I turned it down and went public instead.
I am going to be asking the question. Who took the money to keep quite for that required period of time. Has any money changed hands between researchers and companies with a vested interest in keeping this subject quite.
I think it will be easy for the public to conclude a number of researchers were involved. Just have to follow the names and then the "sudden" recommendation to test machines by these same individuals.
Rough times ahead for anyone involved in the cover up of fake specs.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-09-02 11:04:35
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Thanks Lloyd. Glad I got the Google Advisory warning that would not let me onto the site. The risk was small as it said the site had not transfered any trojan code but still, someone had tried to hijack it. Maybe it was unrelated to the work we do but it shows we are a top website, popular.
Thanks to the IVTRB for providing this website and all the articles and this forum free of charge or any payment or commitment from anyone who reads it and uses the information. Im proud to share in contributing to this forum. I know it and the artickles have helped many people and saved others from buying the wrong machine for their needs or being ripped off by a lying marketer.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-02 10:36:01
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Someone attacked our site yesterday.
All getting fixed though.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-29 19:06:32
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Kate.....
You did the right thing. In any situation where there is uncontrolled bleeding ( no matter where it is located ) an increase in circulation is not ideal.
When it starts to fade by itself. Start on leg poses only. ( 30 secs ) . And massages are ok.
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Kate. |
Posted On:2012-08-29 14:10:59
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Hi Loyd,
I have a client whom has a burst blood vessel in her eye. Half of her eye is red dense blood. I sent her home today without doing her workout. I informed her I will get back to her as to when would be suitable to come back. Thank you for your time and knowledge Loyd.
From Kate. Bodygreen Vibration Training.
Mount Maunganui.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-26 17:33:21
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Jon
We try not to refer to Low Energy devices such as VibrPlate as "Lineal". They do their best to highjack these valid engineering terms to sell rubbish that just vibrates to the consumer as Vibration Training.
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Jon Hyams |
Posted On:2012-08-26 07:01:42
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Cindy,
Where did you find a Nitrofit Deluxe being sold that cheaply. Was it used or refurbished. Our policy gives you a 30 day money back gaurantee on any of our machines. We as a manufacturer only offer two years parts and labor. A lifetime warranty sounds a bit sketchy to me. Contact infowholebodyvibration.net and refference this blog site. I will be happy to send you to a store with floor models. Vibeplate and Nitrofit are completely diffrent types of machines . In other words vertical versus pivotal. I highly suggest that you try out both technologies. When it comes to buying a machine, you need to figure out what feels right to your body, your budget and your lifestyle. Another thing you need to be is realistic about your goals. I just had to explain to a 300lb person afraid of buyers remorse that he needs to be realistic about his expectations. He tried a Powerplate at a gym and probably was told that it would help him lose weight quickly. I told him that you are only as good as your commitment to your exercise regimen. If you plan to use it lightly for a week and expect results then save your money. It probably took years to gain all that weight. It will definitely take some time to lose it. Vibration machine or not, stick to a workout regimen, eat healthy and results will follow.
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