Hi Lloyd,

As I mentioned on my blog in response to your comment, to clarify, my post was by no means intended to market or sell the equipment I discussed. It was simply to give a review of a class I have been participating in. I am not an expert on vibration training and all information that I posted was based on what has been claimed by Flexi-Sports, the makers of the equipment I talked about. If you are concerned about false marketing claims, I would recommend getting in touch with them rather than accusing me of trying to pass "a stick"off as vibration training.

Great job Lloyd, you are in excellent shape!! I can't wait to see the results of your report.

I will look forward to the publication.  Dr. Bill Sands, who used to be with the USOC, had an interesting article published for the NSCA in their NSCA Connect email message.  The article is about how coaches argue over which program is best - their own or one designed by somebody else etc.  Sands even stated in the article there is a scarcity of evidence on transfer of training to actual sports performance for athletes.  If this is not evidence that so-called sports science basically does not exist - at least here in the U.S. - then I do not know what is.  Sands stated artificial lab and performance tests often have little or no relation to sports performance.  Since transfer of training to improved sports performance is the main thing for athletes - it is interesting to have a former USOC Sport Scientist write an article saying there is very little evidence for certain training programs having a high transfer to actual performance in sports.  Considering how many hours athletes train, the idea of training - I would hope - is that it will transfer to improved performance in the sport.  It leads me to wonder how inefficient many training programs could be for improving specific sports performance.  Improved sports performance is the best test.  The only way to test if vibration only training on high quality equipment improves sport performance would be to have athletes in a specific sport train with either vibration only and practice of their sport and compare it to another group that does conventional resistance training, plyos, etc  along with their sport practice.  Certain sports activities such as pitching a baseball do not require a lot of 1RM strength - a baseball only weighs 5-5 and a quarter ounces.  Perhaps baseball pitchers, for example, could save a lot of time by using vibration training - eliminating conventional resistance training - and just practicing the sport, concentrating on sleep and recovery etc.  Nobody really knows what is best for these types of athletes.  It is guessing as the Sands article more or less just came out and stated.

John T. Weatherly

Thanks again,

 Guess my choice will come down to affordability, back up support  and   good detailed guide on how to get the most  out the machine safely.    

Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for the link to the article. I have been reading the report available via Hypervibe and  found the referencing to  Hertz and  G  force  on the different machine helpful, but wasnt sure if   the report is a bit misleading. I noted on your website you have links to  Cardiotech , their commerical machine looks good but not sure how thier  VT12 compares.  A friend of mine has the commercial deluxe from Amazing super health , and enjoys this.  Your reinforecment on the importance of tecnique is much appreciated as this is true for any exercise or exercise machine. I am not really in a position to tray different models which makes choice difficult.

its great to know some one liek youreslf is  passionate about your business and the health  safety  and support  to  consumers 

HI,

 I know you cant recommend one brand against another. I  have narrowed my choice down between two machines. One has a lower amplitude of plate height movement  while the other has a higher plate  movement. Also the G force is different, the higher plate  movement   giving higher G force. I have a bad lower back and weak ankles , knees ,  so my question is.. which machine would cause the least amount of strain on my joints.  I am wanting the machine for toning, strength and enhance  my exercise  , I currently jog, run, circuit train, swim, yoga. I have read somewhere that the higher amount of plate of plate movement the more side to side movement to the joints thus potentially causing  damage, especially to knees and lower back area. Is this true. 

Is there a pose that I can use on the Wave to work the lats? How about the three deltoid heads and the rotator cuff?

The one I came up with for lats is, very similar to plank but on the knees, rest the forearms on the plate with the arms almost straight, head between the elbows, kind of looks like you're praying. Just wanted to see if that's ok and if there's another one.

Mike M

Yes, I found some info about your roller. I have something similar with rigid fingers.  I could never use it on Vibra-Train machines and wouldn’t need to.

Same advice – make sure you don’t get bruising. The other comments are general to your (and anyone else who reads this) training sessions.  Have you tried bare feet or socks on a mat?  – it’s quite different and forces your feet and legs to rebalance and stabilise. 

Di, I use it like a regular foam roller. When you foam roll, mostly you just roll over the roller with things like the legs and hips with your body weight. The roller presses into the muscle giving a massage. The Rumble Roller also has rubber "fingers" which are spaced about 2 inches apart and press into the muscle like the paired thumbs of a skilled masseuse. Adding the vibration to that by rolling over the Wave seems to speed up the process, at least to me. Hope that helps you picture what I'm talking about. Not a workout this time, but massage.

 Hi Dawn,

I understand your interest from a nursing perspective.  For me it started 3 ½ yrs ago with Lloyd’s website!  I would be happy to speak with you.  I have some research documents and experience with clients in a couple of the areas you were questioning.

Feel free to get in touch!

MikeM

The sounds interesting.  Watch for bruising –this appears as tiny red dots (not black areas like regular bruise).  If you get bruising you need to back off a little.

Also remember your rest and recovery times – do not over-train.

Hold perfect position for the duration of each pose– my standard mantra (especially at the start of a new year when I watch over every customer carefully).  I’m wondering how you are managing to hold poses correctly while using the roller – if I’m understanding you, you are using it while using your machine.

Remember Lloyd’s comment – do your vibration machine workouts in socks on a hard foam mat. It isn’t easier; in fact it makes your body work harder by providing a slightly unstable surface.  The mat density – rubber mat – needs to be firm but not rigid like exercise mat flooring, make sure you can press fingers into it a little. We get our mats from a specialist rubber goods shop, not a sports supplier.

I want to share something I discovered re:the trigger point problem. I started using a new item called the Rumble Roller in combination with the Wave and it seems to work well on trigger points. What I do is use the "fingers" that the RR has to apply a vibrating deep tissue massage to the muscles where the trigger points are. Worth a try if you also have this problem.

I would like to ask how many HZ and low or high amplitude needs someone for exercise,strengh

and also for massage.thank you.

Hi Kathleen

Hi Llyod,

Do you have any or know of any DVDs that show good work outs with a vibration machine.  I have watched what you have on you tube which is helpful, however I would like something that i can watch or listen to whilst training.  I have a cardio tech machine however havent used it as i find the instructional poster really hard to follow...  Thanks...

ps Would love to see one of your studios set up in Brisbane or the Gold Coast.  Keep up the good work..

I live in Ohio, not far from Indiana.  Thank you again for your help

DawnUSA

If you contact Brenda (details below) she will advise you how to use a machine with the conditions you listed. I immediately thought of her when I read your post.  I have had contact with Brenda for some years now.  In my opinion the PowerPlate machine is not suitable for you. Knowing what is available in USA I would recommend HyperVibe pivotal machine – Brenda can access one for you for less than $5000. You have not told us where you are located – but Brenda can help regardless of this

Thank you very much for the information.  As far as personal machines are concerned, are you able to recommend one that I can find in the US.  The power plate was the first vibration machine that I had ever heard about.  They cost around 5,000.  Is it possible to get a good personal machine for that price...sorry my question mark is stuck.

Much of the vibration research is invalid as we have covered here in prior posts.  The scientists finally started catching up to Lloyd by publishing a paper about guidelines for vibration research in the fall of 2010.  You may want to google International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions Guidelines for Vibration Research.  Having said this, more research comes out all the time that appears to validate vibration as an exercise modality.  For example, go to www.nlm.nih.gov, click on PubMed, and use either vibration training or vibration exercise as search terms.  Abstracts of studies can be read.  In some cases, the full text of the articles are available.  But, the research literature has been contaminated by poor research studies that did not even check to see if the platforms performed as stated by the manufacturers before conducting and publishing studies.  How stuff like this gets published in peer-reviewed journals is beyond me.  It shows how lazy and incompetent some researchers have been.  These are the types that accept gifted equipment to do studies on etc.  It also shows how the peer-review system can be flawed when all of these supposedly intelligent researchers let this stuff slide by.  They all "missed the elephant in the room" as Lloyd has said.  Money talks and Venus walks.  Some of these people have been "married to the money."  No morals or ethics.

John T. Weatherly