My comments are now up on vibrationtraining.net. I will have to wait until my return to N.Z. to see what my spam comment was that has been deleted. I think I said Lloyd Shaw had no ulterior motive or scare tactics in the design of machine or safety program. I do try to avoid use of brand names but it's not really possible and wild generalisations have to be challenged with specifics.

Why have I commented at all? - It's not that I want to take on these guys as they might baffle me with superior academic physio knowledge but I know the machines I work with and I would be seriously wrong if I didn't challenge the advice to move on all platforms and their obvious lack of knowledge.

Static, non movement positions are the best, safest and most effective way to train on high energy machines including BodyShaker and VibroGym and Vibra-Train.

Even when a person comes into the studio just to see what we do, If I get them to place one foot onto the machine I make sure their leg is straight in line with the platform, not on an angle - that's protection for their knee EVEN when it's just 10-20 seconds to feel the vibration.  Over protective? Maybe in this 10 second test BUT I let it be the first lesson the person learns - that every movement around and on the machines is deliberate and careful.

Lloyd
 I work with patients in my private practice for over a 15 years now. I'm also a co owner of a medical fitness, so I deal with urban legends and „experts“ advices on daily basis within a field of physiotherapy and rehabilitation. And, believe me, It's hard to surprise me after all this years. But this stuff that surrounds vibration training is nothing less than amazing.
A year ago, in time that I wanted to open my first studio, I try to read and learn as much as I can about this field of training and therapy. When I came across your work, I really thought you are exaggerating about what is done on daily basis. I don't think that any more. Now I know.
 

One of our new customers came today with interesting story. She said that during her training on Powerplate she was running on the machine. Now, for you that didn't get it (as I didn't first time I've heard it, so I ask her to repeat), yes, she was not only allowed, but encouraged to make moves with her feet, and body, on the machine that vibrates, like she was running.
Now, we all now that vibration training is not aerobic one, and we are not pretend , nor want it to be so. For those who want cardio, there is plenty of opportunities indoor or outdoor. But to try to make vibration training act like a aerobic one in this way is not just lack of  knowledge, or experience, It's just plain stupid.

No wander vibration training has such a bad reputation in some arias.

 

I think the proof of using the various brands and types of vibration machines is going to be - in the results. It would be interesting to know what other training, if any, the owners, promoters of the various machines do and if they actually train on their machines and to see pictures. Its not that we are all perfect but results should show.

Blaire

Why is it so hard for you to believe Lloyd designed and built his machines without any help...

I have tried every high force lineal machine on the market and nothing compares to a VibraTrain machine, that is why after 3 and a half years in business as Lloyds compitition we choose to become a part of them.

Trust me if you ever get the opportunity to meet Lloyd Shaw and spend some time with him it will become clear that he is in a league on his own. 

Interesting read. How many people helped you design and build your machines Lloyd because its a bit tough to believe you did it all by yourself. You make it sound as though you single handedly made design breakthroughs that no one since can copy. How is that.     

Lloyd
Yes, she followed safety program to the letter.
I have to say, that when we opened the first studio, after a month or so, some of our customers wanted new exercises, because they see it on internet, or done it on Powerplate, or they „feel“ that they need specific exercise for butt muscles (you all faced those people, I suppose). I was tempted to indulge them, back then, but choose to stick to safety program instead (thanks to your  support, and information provided by community on this site). The result was to loose some of  customers at the time, but gain many more in time to come.
Last example was tennis coach who came to my physio clinic for help with his knee problem, which he developed after only one session on Poverplate. Sufficient to say, he did jumping on the machine on his first training (?!?)

The important issue as I see it is not to generalise!

There’s a huge difference between lineal and pivotal movement for a start. Then differing machine qualities, sizes and more.

 You can’t expect to do exactly the same program on every type, anymore than you can expect to be able to run on any surface – grass, mud, stones, coals, water (oh hold on a minute, there was this one man 2000 years ago *laughs* )

Cynthia.....

The bigger unit gives you better results. Mainly because the platform is bigger and you can do more. But you will get results with the smaller unit. Just more limited.

Lloyd, thanks again for your support.

And this one is cheaper. So, I will have my machine soon...

Lloyd, it have the same benefits than an expensive one?

So, for my personal use i need the Nitrofit personal ??.

Thanks again. Best regards

Cynthia

Our swimming champion, Sanja Jovanović, recently won several titles on last European Swimming short Course Championship, which held place in Eidhoven, Holland. Now, these are not the first European titles for this strong young lady, but they are special ones, I think.

Three months before this championship, she started to train again, after a long pause. Because of that pause, and some remaining health problems, her coach was worried about the way she is entering a full impact training. In consultation with myself, and my colleague who works in one of our vibration training studios, we combined vibration with swimming training.
The results were:
-Much shorter time needed to reach top level training than expected
-Avoidance of delayed muscle soreness
-Resolution of some of remaining health problems

So, is the role of vibration training in physical preparation of professional athletes  only warm up, recovery, and muscle strength gain? Not by far, judging at least by this example.

 

I enjoyed the recent article on Fake Experts and would like to share thoughts about researchers.  The International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published a review paper this year on recommendations for reporting vibration studies.  These recommendations include pilot studies on equipment to make sure the equipment operates according to what manufacturers claim BEFORE conducting a research study.  These seems so obvious you would have thought all these PhDs would do this as just a standard check as common sense.  Well, they did not do this.  The body of research literature on vibration has been contaminated because of this.

Ever since I have been corresponding with Lloyd, which has probably been around 5 years or more now, he has emphasized how different the various vibration plates can be.  Some are good, some bad, some do not perform as the manufacturer states, etc.  Well, the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions state vibration plates can perform differently with different loads or body weights, with movement or external resistance such as weights or cables, etc.  Lloyd has been saying this all along.

In the last year, a former mentor of mine, Dr. Mike Stone, who is also a former Head of Sport Physiology for the United States Olympic Committee, told me he and his colleagues had looked at Power Plate with different loads.  Power Plate lost a mm of amplitude with an 85 kg load and really bogged down at 100 Kg and above according to Stone.  Lloyd has been saying the same thing for years.

Several years ago, Dr. William Kraemer, who is Editor in Chief of JSCR, sent me a mesage saying he thought there was so much that could be done with vibration as an exercise modality.  Kraemer, in this message, mentioned a student he had who had done a study which he thought validated a particular vibration platform as a warmup modality for athletes.  Dr. Kraemer qualified his remarks in parenthesis saying I THINK.  So, Kraemer was not completely sure of this himself.   Now, people like Drs. Stone and Kraemer are individuals I respect.  Do not take this the wrong way.  In fact, I have tremendous respect for Dr. Stone and know him well.  The point is a large number of studies have been published in JSCR on vibration in the last few years and they are invalid according to the recommendations of the International Society of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions published earlier this year.  Dr. Kraemer, as Editor in Chief of JSCR, and his panel of associate editors who all have doctorates, missed the boat by allowing all these studies on vibration to be published in JSCR.  Other journals did the same thing as JSCR.  The research literature is contaminated.

Again, Lloyd has been saying this all along.  I think Lloyd is a REAL EXPERT.

John Weatherly

That old forum at http://www.diet-blog.com/05/good_vibrations.php makes very interesting reading.

It’s so easy to spot the marketers; Dan Fivey’s name comes up almost right away with links to the machines he wanted to sell but with no involvement in answering basic questions. 

Some things don’t change – some people don’t change

In contrast Lloyd was giving out free info back then just as he does now – to people on the other side of the world who have no access to his brand of machines.