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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-06 00:13:08
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I put up this vid 2 years ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpBDfPno7fc&list=UUdr50aEfipyQmlfzBouM7jg&index=12&feature=plcp
Lots of visits from engineers and my competition, but so far nothing .
How am I to release my new machines, if no one has copied my old ones yet.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-05 21:37:53
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Yes. Lots of pretenders and / or dishonest people involved at all levels of our industry. Let them have their false glory or ill gotten gains for now.
Great thing about time, is it strips and crumbles all castles built on sand.
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John |
Posted On:2012-09-05 12:18:51
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In regard to testing machines, it is amazing how all these studies were published in "peer-reviewed" journals prior to the International Society of Musculosketal and Neuronal Interactions making their recommendations for vibration research in 2010. I have corresponded with Lloyd for several years now and these recommendations are basically what he has been saying the whole time. To show you how smart some of these scientists are they did not even test platforms to see if the platforms operated accurately under loaded conditions prior to conducting research that was published in "peer-reviewed" journals. Just junk science is all many of these studies have been. Just curious how you can have "peer-review" on something new. If it is very new there cannot be many "experts" for the "peer-review" process to get published in scientific journals. In this instance, the "peer-review" process is an oxymoron.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-02 16:11:25
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As my company grows and I gain influence. I am going to be asking the harder questions in articles.
It is public record a Vibration Training company offered me a check to keep silent for a period of time on the fake specs issue. They had a 5 year contract in Asia where they could not change the design. It needed to be kept quite until that lapsed and they could upgrade the factory. We are talking big money here and tens of thousands of machines.
I turned it down and went public instead.
I am going to be asking the question. Who took the money to keep quite for that required period of time. Has any money changed hands between researchers and companies with a vested interest in keeping this subject quite.
I think it will be easy for the public to conclude a number of researchers were involved. Just have to follow the names and then the "sudden" recommendation to test machines by these same individuals.
Rough times ahead for anyone involved in the cover up of fake specs.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-09-02 11:04:35
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Thanks Lloyd. Glad I got the Google Advisory warning that would not let me onto the site. The risk was small as it said the site had not transfered any trojan code but still, someone had tried to hijack it. Maybe it was unrelated to the work we do but it shows we are a top website, popular.
Thanks to the IVTRB for providing this website and all the articles and this forum free of charge or any payment or commitment from anyone who reads it and uses the information. Im proud to share in contributing to this forum. I know it and the artickles have helped many people and saved others from buying the wrong machine for their needs or being ripped off by a lying marketer.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-09-02 10:36:01
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Someone attacked our site yesterday.
All getting fixed though.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-29 19:06:32
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Kate.....
You did the right thing. In any situation where there is uncontrolled bleeding ( no matter where it is located ) an increase in circulation is not ideal.
When it starts to fade by itself. Start on leg poses only. ( 30 secs ) . And massages are ok.
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Kate. |
Posted On:2012-08-29 14:10:59
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Hi Loyd,
I have a client whom has a burst blood vessel in her eye. Half of her eye is red dense blood. I sent her home today without doing her workout. I informed her I will get back to her as to when would be suitable to come back. Thank you for your time and knowledge Loyd.
From Kate. Bodygreen Vibration Training.
Mount Maunganui.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-26 17:33:21
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Jon
We try not to refer to Low Energy devices such as VibrPlate as "Lineal". They do their best to highjack these valid engineering terms to sell rubbish that just vibrates to the consumer as Vibration Training.
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Jon Hyams |
Posted On:2012-08-26 07:01:42
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Cindy,
Where did you find a Nitrofit Deluxe being sold that cheaply. Was it used or refurbished. Our policy gives you a 30 day money back gaurantee on any of our machines. We as a manufacturer only offer two years parts and labor. A lifetime warranty sounds a bit sketchy to me. Contact infowholebodyvibration.net and refference this blog site. I will be happy to send you to a store with floor models. Vibeplate and Nitrofit are completely diffrent types of machines . In other words vertical versus pivotal. I highly suggest that you try out both technologies. When it comes to buying a machine, you need to figure out what feels right to your body, your budget and your lifestyle. Another thing you need to be is realistic about your goals. I just had to explain to a 300lb person afraid of buyers remorse that he needs to be realistic about his expectations. He tried a Powerplate at a gym and probably was told that it would help him lose weight quickly. I told him that you are only as good as your commitment to your exercise regimen. If you plan to use it lightly for a week and expect results then save your money. It probably took years to gain all that weight. It will definitely take some time to lose it. Vibration machine or not, stick to a workout regimen, eat healthy and results will follow.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-21 20:01:40
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It’s been pointed out that my last post only has one good result of using Vibra-Train machines for four years - three of which I have been the Instructor.
Not correct! - this older couple have BOTH kept good weight only varying by a few Kg - her 1 Kg more, him about 3Kg more after 2 1/2 years. Their muscle mass and muscle quality have both remained really, really good. Remember they are older people, she in 70’s, he’s late 60’s. She has maintained in every way which equals a reasonable gain for a younger person as she is working against increasing age and the “normal” decline in muscle strength. She’s proving its not so “normal” and can be held back if you work with your body using good nutrition and a great program of resistance exercise = Vibra-Train. No cardio being done.
Her husband has a greater than “average” fat percentage both at 2 1/2 years ago and more so now, more than what is really good for him. He has excellent muscle mass and quality. He’s kept strong = a good result
BUT as I said, you can’t out-train a bad habit like eating too many chocolate cookies. I’m proud to be his instructor, but he must address his continued (and worsened) desire for cakes and cookies in excess quantities. I can’t let him do more Vibra-Train, that will not help - in fact it could cause him to become hungrier and it could break down muscle. That’s called OverTraining.
His wife is onto him - so unless he takes to hiding the cookies in his “Man Cave” (Car Garage) he’s going to be making small, positive changes.
This is honest result reporting.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-20 14:39:31
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More Excellent Results from Vibration Training using High-Energy Lineal Machines
An older couple have been coming to Vibra-Train for over four years. The past 3 years they’ve been coming to Auckland City studio twice a week regularly and I’ve trained them and watched their progress.
They both follow the standard IVTRB Program (http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lineal-program) and both work-out hard, holding all the positions perfectly, correcting if necessary. Have a great attitude - they shame some of my younger customers. Their diet is great and they have an avid interest in health and fitness.
They both did a Body Composition Analysis (BCA) test 2 ½ years ago in February, 2010 and only recently did a follow-up test, August, 2012.
The lady, now aged 72 ½ (70 at previous) test has maintained all her test results. Her weight at age 70 was 55.7Kg and now at age 72 ½ is 56.5Kg. Her Bone, Muscle, and Fat amounts and percentage of body weight have remained constant. Her muscle quality is proportionate and normal and her wellness score is 78/100 – where 80 is considered to be very, very good,(my own score is less).
Maintaining results at her age is equivalent to a younger person making huge gains. I’m very happy for her.
The man is a little younger. His latest Body Comp results show a higher than “average” fat score. It was up a little last time and this time it’s higher. His muscle mass and other results have remained very good. The reason for the increase in body fat??? – his wife tells me he has developed a strong addiction to chocolate biscuits. You can’t out-train bad eating habits.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-16 19:10:49
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Sorry you need to be more specific.
Which type of machine are you using for what poses.
When you are using the Pivotal. What speeds do you have it set on.
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Leonid |
Posted On:2012-08-16 03:48:19
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Lloyd Shaw:
WARM-UP, BASIC SQUAT, SEATED ABDOMINAL THERAPY.
And lying across his back on the vibration platform.
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Dean Mistura |
Posted On:2012-08-15 23:32:52
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Safety program on 2012. Olympic games in London
As official physiotherapist of our national sailing team for many years now, I understand that recovery after competition is a crucial point on great sport events such as Olympic games. For that matter, in colaboration between National Sailing federation, Bodyshaker, and myself it was agreed to have pro unit for vibration training in Olympic village in Waymouth (where Olympic regatta took place).
The idea was simple. During first part of recovery, immediately after sailing, introduce vibration to athlete in order to decrease muscle tension, speed up rehidration, and overall recovery. Intervention lasted for 5-7 minutes, and it was modified safety program.
To call it successful introduction would be underestimation.
Muscle soreness? No problem. Just 5 minutes of vibration, and it is almost gone.
Fatigue? Seven minutes of vibration, and it is significantly decreased.
Tendon tension? Also not a problem. It needed just 5 minutes of vibration to be completely resolved.
Quick stretching? Pain relieve, especially for the knees and lower back region, as a result of overuse? I've done it all with vibration during past four weeks.
All sports physios know that time is crucial part of overall equation for pro athletes treatment during competition. All those effects from vibration I can achieve with other interventions, such as massage, manipulations, physiotherapy in general, passive stretching, mobilization techniques, warm, or cold baths... But every one of them is time consuming for the athlete, thus interfering with natural recovery processes, or it induce a new physical stress to a body, or it is extremely unpleasant (ice baths, for example). To have simple and quick solution is a great advantage, and this time we had that.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-15 22:47:50
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Leonid...
Can you point out the poses you are doing.
Vibration Training done properly should decrease muscle pain over time. So we have to figure out what is going wrong.
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Leonid |
Posted On:2012-08-15 19:29:28
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Thank you for your answers!
Di Heap:
Obviously DKN XG10 buy me early.
Lloyd Shaw:
Thank you for your site.
I have 2 Chinese vibration plat
1. Body Sculpture BM1500 - Pivotal
2. PVB1000 - wooden - lineal
Do in 1 minute on each platform three exercises:
Stand, sit, squat
In addition PVB1000 lay back.
The total does not exceed 7 minutes.
Exercise three times a week.
(To be honest, and 5 minutes is a lot to me)
The next day, sore back muscles, thighs, calves.
I make almost 2 months.
I want to start to remove the muscle pain.
Thanks for any advice!
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-13 21:49:01
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Barbara... check out this article regarding pain.
Regarding the Vitality Step......
Here is a good clue to what it is, from the website .... "your body involuntary relaxes and contracts its muscles up to 50 times per second "
To vibrate that fast ( 50 hz ) it must be a Lineal , and being that small it must be a lower energy unit.
( similar unit .... http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPT-Vibratone-Whole-Body-Vibration-Machine-AB-756-/400315063374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d34a31c4e )
Or it is a Pivotal being sold with fake specs.
If you want a Low Speed Pivotal.( Which it sounds exactly like you do ) get one off Ebay for $300 .
There are other options, but I think the side handle bars will come in very handy, considering your back issues.
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Barbara |
Posted On:2012-08-13 17:48:04
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Thank you for responding to my post. I would love to hear from Lloyd. I have a chance to get a close to wholesale price on Vital Step. Obviously if it is not a good machine than even good deals are bad. I am interested in pivotal machine because I have nerve damage due a 13 year old fusion at L5 S1 and the 5 other surgeries that that one surgery caused. I have weak abductors so I was thinking sideways motion would be beneficial.
I have been a Feldenkrais teacher for over 13 years. I know some of the neuroscientific studies around vibration and pain. I have read a bit about the effect that attending to balance can have on ingrained habit patterns.
I heard about Vibrational training a few years ago way before there were inexpernsive models under 2000. I am including the website that shows the machine. I have not been able to visually identify it among the many that you rate. I have found a picture at www.stressstopinc. You would have to search the site for Vitality Step. For some reason I cannot enter any slashes or other such punctuation commonly found in web addresses.
I need to know by Tuesday am, PDT, USA. I am suspicious because I never can find the actual manufacturer info. I only find distributor sites. I would be so appreciative if Lloyd did have a chance to get back to me. This site is so informative.
I am 62 years old, still rock climbing and hiking. Have knee replacement and 6 back surgeries. I am trying to improve strength and flexibility in my knees. I do have chronic pain. This is actually one of the habits I hope to addres using the machine to challenge balance. I need lateral strength as well as just flexors and extensors
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-13 16:03:18
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Barbara...
Sorry we don't really list or discuss generic machines much. Mainly because they are not a "brand" in the sense you think of them as.
Eg... The machine you listed can not be found even on Google. So I would say 99% with certainty it is just a machine from China with a made up name stuck on it. With about 250 companies doing this, and changing the names each time they get a bad review. It would be impossible ( and a waste of time ) to try to name them.
A description, someone with no engineering background can understand is a much better option and protects the consumer from any "tricky" sales pitch.
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Note: We do often talk about actual brands quite a bit.
Leonid ...
The soreness you mention using the machine you have is not good. It might mean you are overtraining or doing incorrect or unsafe poses , fqs etc....
Can you clarify to us...
(a ) What program you are doing at present.
(b ) And what you are trying to achieve.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-13 09:16:09
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Leonid
Read the machine reviews here:
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
The DKN Machines have a lineal (upright) vibration, very different from the BM1500 Pivotal machine you are using now.
If you have a sore body from using the Body Sculpture BM1500 machine I suggest you wait longer before buying a DKN lineal machine.
You can follow the IVTRB Safety Program here: Click on Pivotal for your machine
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-08-13 08:53:04
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Barbara
I haven’t heard of Vital Step pivotal machine (Lloyd might answer you later).
You can look up the machine reviews here and compare it to one of the pictures to see what type of machine it is
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
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Leonid |
Posted On:2012-08-13 06:10:41
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Hello!
I'm not a sports person. I am 50 years old. To engage in regular physical activity can not - tough. Already have a Body Sculpture BM1500. After a month of training was a huge relief - was able to return to work after two years of hiatus. After 3 minutes of Body Sculpture BM1500 sore body, the load enough (have been doing this month). On your advice I want to buy DKN XG10. The question is not whether it will be very strong for me? Maybe better to buy DKN XG5? Or stop until there is a change from training at the Body Sculpture BM1500?
Forgive me for my English, and Google.
Thank you!
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Barbara |
Posted On:2012-08-13 06:07:31
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Do you know anything about the Vital Step I believe it is a pivotal machine
It would be nice to be able to do a "search" in your comment section. This would help look up an answer to a question, especially one about a specific brand or machine.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-11 18:13:35
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Olympic vid...
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-05 11:25:27
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Cindy...
This is a Pivotal machine ( as per the review ) .But they do quote the specs as 8hz - 30hz on the PDF brochure. It would be very wise to email them and ask specifically if this is accurate or an exaggeration ( fake specs ) .
If they are not accurate, then don't buy. If this is the case , check out a company called HyperVibe, they also sell Pivotal platforms ( but unfortunately if the salesperson is Gabriel Ettenson, I can not recommend you deal with him )
As for the price. You can do quite a bit with these types of machines. And if you followed a proper program, you will be fighting the Osteo on every level. So look at the warranty etc... and see if it is worth it. As it will probably last you a very long time.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-05 09:09:35
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Me again. Correction on that price. I had a bad feeling the guy quoted me on the personal model vs the deluxe even though I I was very clear what I wanted. Yep, I was right to think "too good to be true" the price is really USD1,820.
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Cindy |
Posted On:2012-08-05 07:30:51
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Hi Lloyd,
Thanks again for the advise. I found a nitrofit deluxe for USD994 with a lifetime warranty on the parts. The company is located within 100 miles of me but does not have a showroom so I can not try it out first. They have a two week return and six month exchange. Would this be a good choice. Thanks.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-04 21:04:47
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This is at the top of every page on this site.....
3 Rules to remember
1. Any Vibration does not = Vibration Training
2. Light Vibration = Therapy
3. Heavy Vibration = Training
Now understanding that, and matching it up to this article ( which you would have hopefully already read )
The next question is how many levels do you want to fight the Osteoporosis on ? The more levels, the more you are asking of the machine. Which will of course dictate the price.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-08-04 20:49:08
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Cindy...
Putting up brands would be pointless. As they just change the name all the time.( And sorry we cant put up every machine ever built. )
The descriptions are the key. Kind of like the difference between a bicycle, motor car and truck. All "have wheels" ( what a dishonest marketer or salesperson would say ), but are clearly not made for the same tasks. Once you get the "idea", you cant be ripped off or but the wrong product.
Eg......
Low Energy / Low Amplitude Lineal
These units have no real amplitude and are basically stable platforms that can be used for everything from Osteoporosis treatment, weight lifting to Pilates/Yoga type movements. They will range in size from a bathroom scale to the size of a small bed. Usually low profile and almost silent due to small motors needed to drive such a device (smaller than a coke can). Some medical devices fit into this category so they may be more expensive due to controlled electronics, but usually are cheap to build.
Does that not describe the VibePlate perfectly. No matter what the brand name or claimed specs are.
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