David.....    Remind yourself that 3.2kn is roghly 320 kg of force. So it is still a good bang for your buck to work against..

It is simply not possible to produce a much higher force without spending some big bucks in manufacturing. And on top of that it increases the risks of breakdowns.  

David...  Using the XG 10 at your weight will be fine. You will just need to account for the lowering of power by adding in a couple of extra poses. And hold really good angles It will still kill you. 

To measure the KN force of any Lineal machine, you need a vibration engineer to do it.  You can not do this on a Pivotal machine, it is missing this spec because of its fixed axis. Aka..... it has no ineria.

You should never really compare Lineal with Pivotal. They are quite seperate systems with different pros and cons. Some of my articles and videos discuss and clarify these.       

What can I expect from DKN xg 10 that gives force 3,2 KN at my 80 kg?

I have seen on one italian site that some guy measured G accelerations. According to his measurements DKN xg10 is only really strong at frequency 45 Hz.. Is this the frequency where the 3.2 KN comes from?

How do you measure force of vibration plates? I have a cheap pivotal plate at home and I was able to measure the frequency with android app, G could be measured too I think, but how would I measure force?

Jacob    It is not that 3.9kn of force will be innefective. It is that it is 100 per cent effective up to 62kg. At your weight of 72 it will only be losing a small amoun of effectiveness. Nothing to worry about. 

It is when it is used for obesity work it becomes a serious limitation.

FYI   3.9kn is the highest level produced in Europe . So you are getting the best that is available. Go for it while you still can find one.

Justine     Yes good for training. But prcise positions must be held for that goal. Essentially if you have not reached fatigue in 60 seconds. It is not a strenght and conditioning position.

I try to find out which Vibration Training unit to buy in Denmark for fitness training, and have so far only tried the Power Plate plastic versions (not impressed). However I have just received a good offer on the Power Plate Classic refurbished, and from what I can understand from Lloyds posts this one should be producing 3.9kn of force. I weight 72 kg and from what I read 3.9Kn should be ineffective at 62 kg body weight and above? However the recommended BodyShaker from "where to buy a machine in Europe" on the vibration-training-advice website is also producing 3.9Kn of force. Can you please clarify on this and maybe point me in a better direction?  And how much force should a machine be able to produce for my weight before it has any real strengthbuilding qualitites? Btw Thanks a lot for sharing all your knowledge in this very interesting field...

I have seen the gravity revolution machine for sale.  Are these any good for strength training,  as opposed to strictly therapeutic...  

Is G Force the most important factor  No KN force is even more important.

I would go for the Lineal XG 10 . has an output of both 3.2 kn, over 300 kg of force and 11 g.  Galileo will not even release its KN force value. Because it is missing this piece of the design puzzle.    

Which vibration would be better for ankle scar tissue break up, lineal or pivotal, for example DKn xg 10 with 11G or  Galileo Fitness with 15 G max., last one seems to be stronger, is a G force the most important factor? Thanks.

Yes. Usual for the platform to move a fair bit on retail machines.   

Power Plate units have a rougher vibration because of the plastic. Powerful and smooth is better.

Moving on the platform will not have worn out the unit. It just means they wasted alot of their own time.  

Thanks for info, I have tried that used xg10, it was supposed to be 5 years in use in studio for loosing weight for man

Is it normal tha the platform wobbles, an creaks a little. I mean it tilts when you go toward edge and also the engine changed the sound a bit.

I have to say it wasnt that much powerfull feel as powerplate 5, but i think the vibrations felt much better or smoother. Anyway the seller wanted 1000 EUR and is claiming it hasnt been used a lot.

I have concerns, because everyone in our country is moving on this platforms, they dont hold static poses. I think machine like that sooner wears down.

2K US if used at a physio practice or professional setting with instructor.

1k   if used by the public at a gym and marked. 

A unit like that does not really deppreciate too much. Unless damaged.

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Thanks, but I was hoping you tell me how much value of the full price this plate would have after 5 years of use, just approximatelly.

Sorry for delay in response, someone tried to hack the page, again...

David....

The DKN XG 10 units have no common breakdown issues Iam aware of. I would contact DKN directly to check for prices on replacement parts.  

Thank you very much for your quick answer. I have one more question. I came across a DKN xg10 unit selling in our country, the unit suppose to be 5 years old and has been used commercially, but not a lot. What would be the fair price for this unit and what to look for when buying this particular unit? I have concerncs buying old machine if anything breaks too soon.

As I have stated in the past and predicted science would prove in time. Supplements and foods are useless for building bone density without proper bone stimulation.

 http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/72545451/increasing-calcium-intake-unlikely-to-prevent-fractures-new-studies-suggest

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-21---30/vibration-training-and-bone-density

Brilliant for breaking up scar tissue. Faster than any other treatment I have seen. ( lots of sporty mates, lots of injuries and surgeries ) 

Yes squat is best. With perfect form. ( as per the safety program on this site )

Hello,

has anyone tried using vibration training for breaking scar tissue? i have had ankle arthroscopy and now 4 months after surgery i still have internal scar tissue from surgery limiting my ankle plantar and dorsiflexion. I was wondering if vibration training would break scar and promote faster healing. Would a squat pose be suficient for that? Thanks for answer.

HyperVibe just cant seem to help themselves crossing over that line.         

Hello,

I have recieved recently my high energy lineal vibration machine from BodyShaker. I am aware of the 10 poses, to hold each for one full minute while running the machine at 40 Hz. However I have 2 elderly people, 1 overweight person as well as 2 normal people who are going to be using the machine, all of them have lack of fitness in common.

So how do I go about starting to get them into the vibration training? Do I get them to do 30 sec poses instead of the full minute? Should the vibration frequency be reduced instead? Are there any additional precautions i need to take when the older 2 are using it

Thanks in advance for your time.

Consumer Warning....
 

Fred Jones to Share His Ten Year Experience with Whole Body Vibration Machines in New Manual

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2662647

http://www.scribd.com/doc/274301824/Vibration-Machines-Core-Technology-and-Rip-Offs

In reality Fred Jones has a history of selling anything to anyone. And being involved and supporting companies selling machines with fake specs and using scare tactics to market their products.

His actual knowledge could fill the back of a postage stamp.

Just for educations sake, the truth about this sorry saga in our industry below....
 

The first platforms used were driven by speakers and not small motors with counterweights for good reason, Dr Clinton Rubin had done studios on tennis players arms back in 1981. Trying to figure out the exact cause for a 27% increase in bone mass on the playing arm.

Dr Rubin had a theory, and that was bones also responded to noise not just force ( the idea had actually come from two places, purring in animals and bone phones ( early phone prototypes that transmitted sound through the skeletal system )

Idea was simple. If noise traveled so well through bone. Maybe a biological response was possible just with sound like vibrations.

The idea worked , with more mice tests done than any other. A single “Rubin Device” was used during these tests. .

Results. Bone density increase. Loss of body fat ( mice only ) Muscle mass increase ( mice only )

Human tests done straight after on the same devices showed none of the dramatic positive effects. And the best that was found was a slowing down or slight increase in lower limb / spine MBD.

On top of that engineering issues like overheating of the devices was of real concern. ( first recommendation was 20 mins , but that got taken down to 10 mins )

The reason for the multi level failure was simple for designers of VT machines to see. The platforms had not been re-engineered to take the mass of a human. The dampening effect was skewing all results and leading to the failure of the devices themselves. And after 10 mins speakers being restricted in movement often burn out the amp.

Also the contentions issue of focusing solely on Fq as the reason behind the previous animal results. eg... looking for a "magic " Fqs. ( every year they change this magic Fq though )

In simple terms the platforms felt very strong for the mice, but not when a person stood on it.......

Eg…… Test platform specs used on mice had not been directly unscaled to an average human equivalent ( 1.70m tall @ 75kg ) would mean 30hz / 28mm amplitude in human terms.

Important point...... Rubin had stolen the 30hz Fq idea from a Pivotal company called Galileo and another called NEMES by a guy called Dr Bosco. 

The contentious issues being this. At 30hz / 28mm these animals were on some extremely serious Vibration Training platforms. Far exceeding anything we build for humans today .

Note: This was pointed out to Rubin's team a number of times. By proper bio-mechanical engineers  They refused to respond. We found out why shortly....
Dr Clinton Rubin in the mean time had released articles and media statements saying anything other than his 30hz / 0.3g would be very damaging to humans. ( he has never retracted this even though subsequent research globally has debunked it )

They compounded their unethical behavior by telling people that simply standing on the machine will increase total body bone mass. Which is a total fabrication and belies all mechanical principles. The dampening effect past the knee is over 90%.


Anyway. Hope you all enjoy reading and watching our industry evolve. Unethical academics and marketers are holding us back. But I have every faith that will just become part of our history.


 

Thanks Lloyd, have been in touch with Gravity HQ.

For a good all round workout on any of these devices.... follow our Pivotal program on this site .....

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs  

Have been researching vibration plates available in NZ and thought I had found a good contender in the Hypervibe Performance but then I found mention of it in your forum and in the blacklist. I get the distinct impression that you’re not keen on them (or at least the company)!. Are you saying that the machine itself is not a great device or is it just the marketing hype and company that puts it on the Blacklist?

I see that Gravity HQ is on your favourites but I can’t seem to find a price for it or why you rate it. Have emailed them.

Are there any other machines that are available in NZ that you would recommend for a mid-50’s male with osteoporosis (I understand that vibration plates have benefits for building bone density) looking for a general fitness workout?

Thanks in anticipation.

To Dr. Gary Gray, FAFS, PT,CEO and Founder of the world-renown Gray Institute.

https://www.grayinstitute.com/

The machine itself...... a standard Pivotal unit. That can give results. But you need to be following a strict program like the one we have on this site. If the machine lasts long enough that is.  

DOB 17 Feb 1970

A letter I sent I now regret.

 
Rt Hon John Key, Prime Minister Dear Prime Minister I require your guidance in regards to placing a restraining order on a recent business associate as he is constantly harassing me from New Zealand and I am currently in Perth. His name is Lloyd Shaw- of Vibratrain NZ LTD, 7/192 Victoria St, Auckland City - tel 09- 3096874, email: lloyd@vibra-train.co.nz.

 I do have serious fears for my safety as Lloyd Shaw has a particular set of skills in his background that worry me if he turns up here in Perth As I am not a citizen here in Australia, I am a New Zealand citizen I need help to cover this process from here in Perth and advice. Can your office please point me in the right direction whether I contact the police in New Zealand or police here in Australia

Walter Matthews
+61 432214480
51 Melbourne Loop, Clarkson,

That is great to hear Di.  Keep reporting on this important work.

John T. Weatherly