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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-08-02 17:47:30
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To Lloyd Shaw From Murray Seaton..
Hi Lloyd,
Much appreciated for letting me come try out your machines, as mentioned, they are without doubt the most powerful lineal units I have ever tried. I also do appreciate where you are coming from, saw some more insight into your passion, and see that you think outside the square..
It was a shame that we couldn't match up the machines, and that what I saw in the data was the most powerful lineal machine I have ever experienced, also producing the highest g's I have ever experienced (with the exception of HG which does so at ineffective frequency).
As for where that leaves my thoughts on platform mass, I'd be lying if I said anything has changed at this time, as I've still seen nothing to contradict my beliefs. Hopefully I've demonstrated that it is not a subject I am trying to hide from.
I think we can both agree that:
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frequency is not everything, more is not better
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amplitude is not everything, more is not better
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g force is not everything, more is not better
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you've built lineal platforms miles ahead of anything else out there
What I do believe is that greater g force plays a large role in the exertion factor in WBV, and whilst I may not have seen anything to share your beliefs on platform mass, I assume we both agree that g force output is still a significant factor.
I'd like to visit you again some time in the future when our new Galaxy model is ready. I'm very interested in exploring the effects of lineals VS pivotals, not for a competition or commercial reasons, just as a curious mind. Platform mass philosophy aside, to date comparisons have not been useful since they really haven't been able to match freq/disp/acc output, and lineals certainly give you more of a workout in the 40-45Hz frequency range. We'll be able to dial up those kind of settings on the Galaxy model, and a true freq/disp/acc match can be made. Perhaps we can run some more platform mass tests when that time comes.
Kind Regards, MURRAY SEATON murray@hypervibe.com.au
www.hypervibe.com.au
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-08-02 17:16:07
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I have been asked about this subject more than a few times this month. So HyperVibe must be out there talking this machine up again.
The history to date....
In 2008 -- > 2009. Murray Seaton and HyperVibes website has promised it will deliver a ....
Commercial model Whole Body Vibration machine is still under development and will arrive late 2009.
The commercial unit will feature:
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All steel construction
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Larger motor to handle heavy use
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Larger platform
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Greater range of frequency
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3 year onsite warranty
The commercial unit will suit all commercial purposes, from small clinical practices through to large gyms.
Note... I got told on no uncertain terms I would be proven a lair in 2009 when I questioned Murray Seaton on this claim. My skepticism only came from an earlier claim before that the machines from China he was currently selling, were designed in Australia by his "team of experts"
" You claim we are not researchers, developers or designers. Where is your evidence? I have explained we made developments to the home model we are currently selling. I consider myself and others on our team well researched. I am also currently working on our commercial unit, designed, yes thats right, designed absolutely from scratch. It will be out later this year or early in the new year, and you will be forced to admit you were lying."
By the end of 2009 HyperVibe failed to deliver the commercial unit for Gyms and WBV studios as promised.
Move forward to 14 / 05 / 2011....... Machine as described as being near completion in 2009 still not released. Another promise of a "commercial " unit is being made again ( Galaxy unit , for release 2011 is the new claim ) .
Now this statement from Murray Seaton of HyperVibe from a direct question regarding how far away their new machine is ....
Murray Seaton says:
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2013-08-02 08:40:02
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You’re looking for a machine that doesn’t exist, Scott
It was promised by Hypervibe with a launch date of around 3 years ago, which has been deferred over and over and still hasn’t happened. If you’d checked out their website you see its still “under development”
If you give some details of exactly what you are looking for and why - someone will help you find a suitable machine
OR contact Jon Hyams – his email address is in a post 5 below this one. He’s a recommended distributor of Vibration Machines and will advise you and source a suitable machine for your needs.
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Scott |
Posted On:2013-08-01 17:20:45
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Does anyone know about a machine Galaxy by hypervibe. Can not find one to try. I am in Cal.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-29 19:17:57
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Drew...
Sorry no High Energy Lineal units yet in the US. One company tried a few years ago but they cracked apart.
DKN XG 10 is about the best you will get that comes with a warranty you can trust.
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Drew |
Posted On:2013-07-29 16:50:38
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Hello Lloyd,
I have been reading through this website trying to learn as much as I can about vibration training. You have a plethora of information here. My question is do you have recommendations on high energy lineal machines which can be obtained in the USA for use with your safe program.
Appreciate any additional guidance.
Thanks
Drew
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-28 16:47:35
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Tammy....
NitroFit is a well know company, with a good product, and a good reputation. It is a safe bet.
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JonHyams |
Posted On:2013-07-28 14:03:08
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Tammy,
Lloyd is right pick a machine that is right for you and your budget. Don't let anyone try and talk you into one machine over another. Try vertical and try pivotal. See what feels right on your body and go from there. I own Nitrofit which I suggest you look into as a more affordable alternative to Hypervibe. Our Nitrofit Deluxe is very similar in design and function but tuned down to more comfortable frequencies. Depending on what you are looking to use your machine for you may not need so much power. If you try several products and decide to go with ours, please Email me at jon@wholebodyvibration.net. I will be happy to give you more Information as well as give you a discount code to order a machine even cheaper online.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-26 19:50:29
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Tammy ..
Hopefully someone gets back to help you out. We do not sell machines, only give advice on the type of units available. At least that stops any confusion on that front.
Be aware Pivotal and Lineal are polar opposites. So give both a test following a safety program. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE SALESPERSON. They are often uneducated and have tricks to try and make their unit seem better.
Eg... Try a basic squat and push-up pose and massage on both types. That will give you a good idea of the differences.
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jenkins_tammy@bellsouth.net |
Posted On:2013-07-26 03:16:45
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After reading all this Im more confused than ever, Im trying to find some real and honest opinions on what are considered the top 5 machines.. I live in Fort Lauderdale FL and find it really odd that there seems to no where to go and test WBV machines for home use.. Im a normal female 5 5" 118 pounds so all Im really wanting to do is tone and maybe build a little.... I was thinking about the Hyervibe because thats all I seem to read good things about when reseaching the internet.. If anyone can point me to a better or as good machine that does not cost 2,600 that would be great and maybe some place where I can actually try before I buy.. Feel free to email me if you can be of help.. not sure if Im allowed to put my email address on here but Ill try, looks like you cant well I put it in the "Your Name" field.. Any way thanks for any help in advance.. Tammy
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-23 15:00:04
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Gary...
Initially your condition was a strict contraindication to Vibration Training / Therapy. Purely because we were all being cautious. But people treating themselves at home did it anyway ( Cheap Pivotal or Lineal units ) .
I have only had about 40 people give me feedback over 10 years, and getting precise info is like getting blood out of a stone ( eg.. what did you buy " I don't know" What did you do " I cant remember " but this is what has been concluded to date....
Pivotal units on a lower speed seemed to give relief and not cause inflammation. Once the unit was turned up over 9hz it caused inflammation the next day. Which as you know can lead in bone spurs and fusion of the joints. I think this is because the side-ways action on the joints is a bit too much for such a sensitive condition.
Note: Most of these people were just standing lock legged on the machine. No safety program was being followed.
Lineal machines..... Straight on the product seemed to cause inflammation at any Fq no matter how good or bad the pose was done. . Even on weaker units. But once on a foam mat used and proper angles held. No issues were reported.
Because of this info I have allowed about 3 similar cases as part of my sponsorship program. We always use a foam mat and the cellulite massage is not allowed. No inflammation reported over a 5 year period.
I think your best bet would be to use inflammation as your indicator. Try two poses . #1 & #2 on the safety program. 30 seconds of each. Use a foam mat at all times. Even if you feel good, stop there.
Wait a few days and any irritation should be obvious. Then please get back to us.
Please note: There is no solid research on this. So you are essentially experimenting on yourself.
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Gary |
Posted On:2013-07-23 07:56:25
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Hi lioyd i suffer with ankylosing spondylitis,my local gym has vibrostation lineal units useing your safety program.ive not had a chance to speak to the instructer yet but do you think it is safe for me to do this form of exercisse.thanks in advance gary
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-17 00:17:14
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LizaRae
FTI... Read the post 16 below.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-17 00:15:33
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LizaRae
Where in the world are you located ?
In my studio you would get free treatment overseen by trainer, on a specialized unit And this kind of thing will be available globally by the time I have finished my work.
But in the mean time. I need to know where you are to best advise you. ( and no I will not be selling you anything I make money off ).
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LizaRae |
Posted On:2013-07-16 19:49:57
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Help LIke many other severely overweight and unfit people I need advice before I even consider any sort of excercise, particularly when it involves the purchase of an expensive piece of equipment. I have bought things in the past, opened the box and found a leaflet saying I should not use this without a doctors advice, or should not use it at all, a foot spa. Can you advise me on the suitablitiy of vibration therapy exercise for a 69 year old obese lady with diabetic neuropathy which makes my feet so painful that walking is difficult, arrythmia, angina, kidney damage due to the diabetes. I have a venous return problem in my legs and am told not to massage them. I have broken both ankles at different times, the left one being particulary painful from time to time. I have been unable to find any exercixse classes for larger ladies and gyms are full of skinny people so I would be embarrassed to go and work out in one. I would swim but the local pool does not have a fat ladies session and what fat lady wants to don a swimsuit and go in a pool with kids Why is it that those of us who really need help with fitness training cannot get it. My doctor is a dead loss, I know what constitutes a healthy diet and am trying to stick to it, but being fairly immobile the weight does not come off, so what happens, I get discouraged, think blow this, and have a bar of chocolate. People tell me go for a walk but my feet are so painflul this is not an option. Anyone out there got any solutions It would be of particular interest if anyone had had the same sort of problems a s most of the fitness instructors Ihave talked to have never been anything but 150 percent fit and have no idea what it is to be plagued by illness or disability.Sorry, boys and girls, unless you have been there you do not know. Reading about it in a a textbook is not a good training.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-16 18:31:58
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John..
From what I have seen over the years. the NSCA has become a marketing vehicle. Hence the encroachment by PTs It's demise under the pretense it was set up was inevitable.
No-one with a scientific mind will miss it.
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John |
Posted On:2013-07-15 08:31:39
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I spoke earlier today with someone who attended the NSCA Conference in Vegas. It appears it is fading away. This person said it seems more for personal trainers now instead of for strength and conditioning coaches and training athletes. The NSCA has gotten away from the foundation it was started on which was for strength and conditioning coaches who worked with competitive athletes and not personal trainers working with the general population.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-07 18:50:46
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And the CrossFit instructor of the year goes to.....
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-07-07 09:53:33
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Selling out to Power Plate is going to come back and haunt the NSCA
Fake machines', fake trainers, fake academic experts. All fading away as predicted.
But it all had to play out like this. Remember I was at the Power Plate meeting in 2004 when they outlined the 10 year plan to dupe everybody. But they needed "soft targets" ( people with little critical thinking resistance ) This list included some athletic institutions. a certain celebrity endorsement reliant male / female demographic and people with non- specific medical afflictions.
It was made very clear these people where to be targets because they were less likely to ask for outside help and advice. Even if they became suspicious.
Got to give them credit for picking their victims wisely.
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John |
Posted On:2013-07-06 11:13:54
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I just checked the exhibitors list for the NSCA Conference in Vegas next week and Power Plate does not appear to be showing up. Hmmm, Power Plate had been a corporate partner or "sponsor" for the NSCA. So, apparently Power Plate North America is in trouble like Power Plate in other parts of the world or else the NSCA finally got wise and dumped Power Plate.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-06-29 12:52:55
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Off Topic, but industry related ...
Now to the topic.... Which is how fitness industry / marketers high-jack disciplines with a good history.. Water them down, make them unsafe or ineffective and destroy their previously good reputation.
Pilates
Zumba
Boot Camp
Kettle Bells
Now..... CrossFit.
Here is a good article about some of the negative things going on in CrossFit right now.....
But this is my main point, which I also made about Pilates...... A question to the real CrossFit instructors of the world....
When a bunch of quite obviously dangerous idiots, who are not "experts" in a discipline you hold dear. Decide your industry is the 'next big thing" What do you do ?.
(a) Make it very clear publically you do not endorse these armatures. And do your best to warn the public about your concerns.
(b) Sell out and ride the wave of popularity.
Now before you say that riding the wave is what everyone naturally does. Other disciplines and real experts have said no in the past. The classic case being the popularity wave of Karate after the movie Karate Kid came out in the 80s. Lots of yahoos decided overnight to become Karate instructors, set up fake "classes" in the local town halls or gyms. But the Karate community came out swinging and contacting local councils or other influential parties got then closed down. On top of that they actually used pure intimidation to get the job done.
Anti-competitive .... ( which of course what the fake experts cried ) ... NO.
Protective of their discipline... Yes.
To any of the Cross Fit instructors out there that sold out. Start finding a new job. Because my prediction is you have all played a part in the destruction of a discipline thousands of years old..
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2013-06-26 13:16:59
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Casey, I checked things out for you.
Revibe, Alberta is operating again as a vibration training studio. If you are near them give them a call.
BUT – be aware – as Lloyd said, in the past they trained people in their studio using LINEAL, Vibrogym machines.
Then they started selling PIVOTAL, Hypervibe machines directly to the public and through trade shows and fairs and at that time they started telling people that Lineal machines were very dangerous (they’re not – it was simply marketing talk). On the Hypervibe website it makes claims about Lineal versus Pivotal – pushing Pivotal as the only safe option (again, simply marketing. You are very welcome to contact me if want to discuss this).
NOW: When you go to see the machines please ask them (given what they have said anti – lineal machines)
WHY DO THEY HAVE LINEAL, VIBROGYM MACHINES IN THEIR NEW STUDIO?
(I’ve seen a picture showing both pivotal Hypervibe and lineal Vibrogym machines in the room, with the Vibrogym turned on. Based on their reply you can decide if you trust them and want to buy off them.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-06-25 14:51:47
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Mellow...
The DKN units are Medium Energy Lineal.. But better quality than say a Power Plate. We have been recommending DKN for years.
You want to go for the XG-10 . You will outgrow the other too quickly.
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Mellow |
Posted On:2013-06-25 08:18:58
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So from what I can tell, the Galileo machines are very good. I read somewhere that the DKN Technology machines are also very good, but not as expensive. What do you know about these, and what do you know about the different models XG10, XG5 Pro, and the XG3. I am planning on using it for a good workout and stretching benefits, not therapy.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-06-24 14:16:06
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Peter...
Having a link to vibrationtraining.net and Gabriel Ettenson's studio on you site is not a good look. You may want to take it off in case someone thinks you are actually involved with them.
They are both neck deep in some pretty unethical behavior.
Casey..... The Galileo units found at MotionHeath.ca are top notch.
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Peter |
Posted On:2013-06-24 00:43:06
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Hello Lloyd
Might I be of assistance to Casey here in Canada should she need direction to studios. Feel free to reach out via our site MotionHeath.ca
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-06-22 18:06:46
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Casey..
Was / is ? owned by Deb and Dan Pelletier .Launched in 2007 . I do not know if it still runs as a studio, or just a showroom. You would need to contact them directly for that info.
My opinion is based on experience...
I had a good relationship with them and did my best to help them, until they hooked up with a sales based company and started putting money before everything else.
Eg.... (1) Started scare monger marketing tactics, basically telling people Lineal machines ( they sell Pivotal now ) may give you brain damage or blind you.( they used an experiment where monkeys were tortured to death to "prove" their point. Not joking ) Even though they successfully ran a studio full of Lineal machines for years. And both used them with no issues And they freely took advice from studios that had been operating since 2003 ??
I emailed them on this point. Zero reply.
Note: They eventually stopped. But only after 9 companies signed a petition, online statement and articles slamming them. My opinion is they only changed behavior because it was effecting sales. Not because of ethics.
(2) Started to promote unsafe / insane instructions ( lets try a 10 minute push up and see what happens ) As you can see below they still promote this via SEO advertising.
I emailed them on this very concerning point on 28/11/2010. I got this response ....
" .. article has been requested to be pulled and amended accordingly. It is being corrected. "
3 years later and it is still up. I think it is safe to say they don't care.
(3) Supports a fake consumer protection website that is infamous for plagiarizing other peoples work, and deleting warranty issues from companies paying for advertising on the site.
I personally have serious issues with anyone who "changes their mind" like their underpants, depending on where the money is coming from. These types of people in my opinion do nothing but cause confusion and mistrust in an already confusing and 99% dodgy industry.
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CASEY |
Posted On:2013-06-22 14:54:33
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Sorry dont know what happened to my message. Was reading online about Revibe studio in Canada. What do you know about them
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2013-06-21 21:56:53
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I know you are right. The fact is though the Politically Correct BS has gotten in the way for too long. And none wants to be responsible for offending someone now.
A much more honest and stronger message needs to be sent, but here is the problem. Too much blame and not enough real world alternative solutions. Same problem at both ends of the spectrum really.
All I can say is. I am prepared to make a lot of enemies to be a part of the cure. Vibration Training being only one part of that cure.
" See me now, or see me later ".... A message from your friendly Mortician.
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Jon H. |
Posted On:2013-06-21 20:30:09
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Lloyd,
I like the comment about the obesity epidmic. Unfortunately we live in a strange time where people expect to be helped without thinking twice about helping themselves. Most government systems and programs are designed to protect people from themselves. In a country likes the United States we tend to take the ready... fire... aim approach. We are now reeling from the side effects caused by the additives and hormones in our foods. All of which have been allowed by the FDA"food and drug Admin".
The problem is big business spending money to keep the decision makers at bay. They can afford to fight a bill against their products that allows them to continue using harmful ingredients to produce cheaper products. Think of this anology.... Samsung has no problem paying Apple a billion dollars for a patent infringement which allowed them to make 10 billion dollars. Its cheaper for big brand food companies to pay out the cancer law suits than it is to produce better quality foods. The big fat obese picture of course is wieghing out evils that eat at thier bottom line ....NO PUNS INTENDED THERE.....okay okay one more .....here it comes.. The only people CUTTING THE FAT are the food companies looking for bigger profits. The fat being truly healthy ingredients that increase product costs.
Just like the vibration world there is so much misinformation and deceptive marketing that lead the average consumer to beleive that they can continue eating crappy products. There also comes a point where socio economic factors play into this. If you are on a tight budget then you buy cheaper food. In my country... USA.. the cheap stuff is grocery store junk and fast food. Its become such a problem that the U.S. government is now limiting the amount of junk food that can be purchased with government subsidized food stamps . In some many words they realized that they were indirectly promoting obesity by subsizing food cards for those on welfare. Quite frankly I am amazed that they just realized that their programs would backfire on them.
Heres a thought. What if we decided to limit health insurance contingent on body weight proportionate to ones average size give or take a few kilos. Be it socialized healthcare or privatized. If we told people that they will have to come out of pocket more if they dont meet certain health criteria on thier own. Its simple really stay in better shape or pay more or possibly be uninsurable. We all know that obesity leads to a myriad of illnesses. It eventually becomes a burden on the health care system and drives the cost up for everyone else. I am frankly sick of paying for someones healthcare who cant figure out how to eat sensibly . They should all be singled out and grouped in a separate plan that forces them to compensate for thier hazardous eating habits.
What do you think
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