Thank you Lloyd. I guess like everything you want everything.  I have seen what the health station has done for my friend and I've read about the hyper vibe,  I guess I don't want to just keep reading and do nothing.  I see elite fitness sell hyper vibe which I could try in store however do you know who the supplier , retailer, for cv9. I want to feel good on the inside and out and do something with stress and have good sleeps.  Get rid of stress weight and feel toned and healthy.  Would I be wasting my time with the vm2

Hello Lloyd. Wow I'm addicted to reading all this information so I'm clear.  I'm based in Christchurch is there a vibra train here.  You were kind enough to give me advice member name trendy. My friend has a health station platinum and she has been getting positive results.  I'm also aware of the many gimmicks that get sold so you can get quite disheartened when all its been is the wrong information.  What interests me is the circulation as I have a poor immune system and losing some weight and toning.  Basically what most people want.  How would the health station compare to the vm2. Or would both do what I am looking for.  Appreciate your advice, I feel your mission to saving lives and helping people feel better about themselves is very humbling. Thank you Rachel 

mellow (and disheartenedUS)

You need to match up the program you intend to use and the money you want to spend - to the machine you want to buy. Will the machine be suitable for the program – eg, platform size

You get what you pay for – is very often true when it comes to home vibration machines.  A cheaper or lower spec machine can give strength/fitness results only if you are very specific with the program.  I’ve even had people email me videos showing their poses – expecting me to congratulate them when they are so far from accurate pose, I want to cry.

DisheartenedUS

Please go back to TZone and ask them to clarify the real frequencies the machines operate at and get back to us.

The Aerobic Golf Brochure says:

On the HD Digital Console display picture:  One-Touch Quick Speeds – 25, 50, 75, 100 Vibration Frequency

Under Features:  oscillates up to 30 times per second

Seeing as frequency for vibration machines is defined as the “number of times per second” one of these statements is misleading.

I will also be emailing them to gauge their response.

OK, so what machine is the most reasonably priced in the US that will do the job.  It will be just me for home use, so really dont want to spend a huge amount on it.

I apologize for another post, but I learned that TZone has a couple of newer machines, Aerobic Plus and Aerobic Golf  Sports, that I am interested in as well.  So, any feedback you may have on these would be appreciated too.

Lloyd....thank you your response.  I reached out to CardioTech to see if they had plans of making the CV9 machine available in the US.  They responded and said they did not, but recommended a company in the US by the name of TZone.  I lam currently reading about TZones VT20 machine.  I would appreciate any feedback that you may have about this machine.  Thanks for your time.

OK, so maybethe RS 2000 isnt for me, because I am a female in my late 50s  and not too overweight.  I dont want to use it for "therapy", but rather for toning.  I do pilates reformer workouts, play tennis, walk.  I want something that can tone my arms and overall body.  Because of my age, my arms are starting to look loose and getting saggy.  I am in the US.  Is there a machine for under 1,000 dollars that can do that for me

I have read thru a good bit of information on this site and have come to the conclusion that, if I want a decent quality vibration machine for home use in the United States, that I am screwed.  Is this correct.....thanks.

Machine types - Take a look here:
 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/machine-reviews

And read this article also:
 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-31---36/general-consumer-warning-about-cheap-pivotals

In my opinion the small unit RS2000 is okay – for that type of portable machine. 

NOTE: These machines are not the same as High Speed Pivotal, or High or Medium Energy Lineal machines.

For people with low mobility, they can be good for helping blood circulation and keeping the leg muscles relaxed (and even helping bone density). This type of unit should be in every older persons home and hospitals.

For people with full mobility, they can be used for pre-exercise warm up and post-exercise cool down.  Also good for therapy, especially of knees when used with the proper safety program. The increased blood circulation promotes healing and the slightly enhanced body metabolism promotes that "feel good" sensation that improves mood and positivity.  

The RS3000 is the handlebar version, also useful for people who have limited mobility who can stand on the machine at low speed to help balance and proprioception.  Also by using the Pivotal Machine Safety Program the machine can give some simple fitness benefits for some people (particularly those who haven’t followed any form of exercise).

Two factors you need to look at:

1.       What do you want the machine for? What are your goals and what is your starting situation – age, weight, mobility, current fitness. This category of machines degrade in  performance at higher user weight.

2.     Are you happy to pay the price asked for the machine? – in New Zealand these machines can be bought online for 1/10 of the price on that website.  Many are available on auction sites, ebay, trademe etc – look at the machine type, not the name. They come from the same factory, no matter what name is on the handlebar (there are some exceptions but few).

Pivotal Machine Safety Program: 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/uploads/pdfs/Pivotal-Safe-Strength-Poster.pdf

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs/pivotal-program

So are the Rock Solid machines, RS 2000 and RS 3000, good functional machines even though the specs are overstated.  I just want a machine that does what it needs to do.

Thanks

Lis

What franchise? In my opinion – be careful believing what you are told by salespeople, check it all out as you are doing.

I understand that Hypervibe has changed its distributorships often, now supported by Elite Fitness (which doesn’t have the best reputation in this industry).  You would be dealing with the real  company offshore for any problem. 

Hypergravity HQ is a New Zealand company, ask them more questions if you want to. They are new but we are developing a good relationship with them and it’s a good machine.  I’m hoping to get one in the studio here soon.

The brochure calls it  Gravity Evolution Frequency to 30hz amplitud to 13mm 1000 Wmotor 

The main issue with them is that nowhere on their brochure is a  business address, only a email and 0800 number  so Im concerned about aftersales service. I  assume  these machines need belts replaced adjusted from time to time. 

Today I saw the Hypervibe  Performance machine at Elite Fitness  which is the same price and seems a similar quality   and spec with the advantage of a visible franchise behind it. 

I saw the Gravity HQ machine at the Wgtn Home Show today  do you have any comments about it  they are asking  3k for it, so Im assuming that its better than the basic cheapies ones  gravityhq.co.nz  but Im not finding much online pro or con them 

When a machine says it is triangular oscillation, what does that mean.  I have only heard you talk about linear and pivotal.

I have been doing a lot of reading about vibration training, because I have seen a special dealChicken for a Rock Solid RS3000.  I can not tell if it is a good deal or a scam company.  Can you please help

Great analogy Lloyd! Makes a lot of sense. 

Really appreciate all the thoughtful responses here. It's all really helpful.

Lloyd is away in the mortuary today , so I will give you my opinion Jon

18 Hz in correct position has an undeniable training effect.  It is hard work, even for athletes we have put up on the pivotal  machine we have that goes to 22Hz. What we found is backing it off high speed seems to allow a deeper workout and more control.

But my marker in this industry has been what I get to witness. As Lloyd said, people who have been using the very high speeds for many years and had access to a Galileo, seem no fitter, more cut or stronger than anyone else. And when they came here, had to be corrected on every position.

So even though on paper it seems to be super important to use higher speeds, other factors, like holding perfect form, obviously play a much greater part.