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Laura |
Posted On:2011-05-20 00:41:20
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So what about home models ....Ive been searching for quite some time now without making a purchase as I have read all these very well written articles. Im very leery. Im willing to pay for quality but there are SO many mixed reviews and Id really like something not made cheaply in China. Id love some suggestions as Ive looked in your favourites but they all seem to be commercial. Suggestions would be SOO appreciated ...
This industry is confusing hte hell out of me. Here, in Ontario, we have Tzone as the most popular but Ive nary heard anything great about the make and model of the machine themselves.
Thanks for ANY input,
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John |
Posted On:2011-05-19 01:18:14
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Thanks for sharing this very important work Lloyd. Vibration training 15 min three times a week significantly increased bone mineral density and lower body strength in this year long study on postmenopausal women. This was a good study looking at both pivotal and lineal vibration equipment compared to the typical wellness type of exercises prescribed for this population. Vibration training was superior to the typical wellness type of prescription for this population. I think the impact of this study is potentially huge. It was in the journal Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise.
John Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-18 21:53:52
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More research showing both Pivotal and Lineal training to be safe and effective at increasing bone density.
108 postmenopausal women with an average age of 65 tested over a period of 12 months.
Please note : No negative effects recorded. How does any company touting one system is safer than the other explain that. I will tell you one thing, if any group was going to tell you something was wrong, it was going to be a group of postmenopausal woman.
On all the tests both Pivotal and Lineal scored similar results. And both systems were tested up against a control group doing low-intensity gymnastics sessions ( probably similar to floor Pilates ) . Vibration Training came out on top of the recommended "traditional" form of exercise for older Woman.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-15 11:24:52
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And just in case anyone thought that Power Plate people had gotten any more honest..
..... where was it made?
Machine made in England.
Bet they will come back and do the old "we were confused" BS . It is like they put all their people through some special training course on how NEVER to tell the truth.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-13 12:39:02
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Yes you are correct. Just got updated address now....
Mount / Papamoa address .....
73 Corinth Grove
Ph 07 542 1188 or 021 350 649
By appointment.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-12 22:05:35
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No unless someone has not informed me , you have 2 locations down there now ...
Tauranga:
Unit 8, Brook Street
Fraser Cove
Tauranga
Phone: 07 576 9881
or 021 2063679
Opening Hours:
Monday, Wednesday & Friday
8.00am - 2.00pm
Tuesday & Thursday
9.00am - 12pm & 4.30pm - 6.30pm
Saturday 9.00am - 12.00pm
Tauranga, Mt Maunganui:
233a Oceanbeach Rd
Mount Maunganui
Phone: 07 574 2804
or 021 350649
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-08 17:10:46
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Well in the wake of Vibration machines in Europe breaking down, companies deliberately outmoding products, and not supplying spare parts ( trying to force a new sale )
This company is about to launch giving the consumer a chance to keep their investments going.
You can see in this vid here the refurbishment and spare parts poster in the background. Note the new TrueVibe the guy is on.....
This is a great thing, because it will kill the sales on new Power Plates, as it will be cheaper to refurbish. And with Power Plate failing to accomplish anything new in the last 8 years. Why would you upgrade to the next latest pricy model ?
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-07 01:11:40
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-06 17:16:12
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If it is this unit...
They have been in NZ for years and were not a success at gyms here. They are a cheaper version of the Power Plate. So a Medium Energy Lineal machine ( at best )
They are not something I would pay to use and they are NOT considered gym quality machinesby us. I would not be able to get anyone on it if it was at my studio.
So if it comes free with your membership then no harm using it, but if they try to charge extra. Flag it.
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DebW |
Posted On:2011-05-06 16:23:12
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Hi again I should say the model is FMVB499
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DebW |
Posted On:2011-05-06 16:22:00
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Hi there
You helped me out a while ago avoid buying a cheap machine. Im now looking to perhaps become a foundation member of a conventional gym that will also have vibration platoforms. The one they are using is a Freemotion Vertex from HF Industries. I cant find any info on this machine in your reviews and was wondering if you have any feedback on it. I would post a link to their website but cant paste in this forum. Any feedback would be appreciated if you know of this machine or company. Thanks, Deb
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-06 13:05:05
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Oh yes. There are a whole host of "experts" who have tried to sell books etc... on this industry. With even the best only having 10% of what is already online for free. And if you look at their background, they have minimal experience with multiple types of machines.
I think those books and papers they are aimed at the lazy trainer market, who likes to believe if they have "read a book", they are now themselves "experts".
I cant remember how many times I have been asked to write a book. And I always said the industry was not mature enough for it yet.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-05-06 08:14:41
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Probably old news, but i was poking around on another site to do with vibration training and clicked on a link to vibo whole body vibration programmes, with a guy by the name of Glenn Ruscoe on it.
Now nothing gets me pissed more than people charging for info to do with this industry..
Glenn Ruscoe is charging for information on what to look for in a home machine, training dvd’s, personal users guide etc.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t all that information on this site for free???
Just goes to show peoples priority's and motivations for being involved in this industry....I personally know of countless occasions when Lloyd Shaw has used his own time and petrol to drive a good 30 minutes to help people who did not know how to work there Chinese bought home machine, for no cost or benefit to him.
Where does Glenn Ruscoe get off pretending to be an expert and charging for info????
I know he will be reading this, so an explanation would be appreciated.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-05-02 18:32:00
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Important message...
When coming to this site, please make sure you use Google to search under "vibration training", find the link, then go the site. This helps our Google ranking, as going through favorites does not.
I know its a hassle but please take the time to do this every visit if you are trying to support this sites climb to #1.
Note: Works even better if you are logged onto Google at the time ( your gmail account )
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-30 15:11:58
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Repost from 20/02/2011 regarding companies using the term "commercial " as a marketing tool........
The cost of reconditioning your large Power Plate Pro machine....
It has just come to light that it can cost $4000 per machine to replace all the wearable parts ( only replaced a few parts, nothing major like the motors ) . And this was not a hard worked unit by most studio standards. Anyone purchasing a machine should ask for a redeemable quote ( past the warranty date ) for all parts that might need replacing. And get it in writing, Power Plate are famous for reneging or even outright denying verbal deals. And get the quote from Power Plate head office, as in my country Power Plate have failed and relaunched 4 times, each owner not honoring the lasts promises.
If you have only 1 machine, this might be affordable. But imagine having 4 or more machines, as a business you would be staring down the barrel of a $16,000 bill to keep them looking tidy and running.
Note: The person is now trying to sell the machine for $6000 with no takers. You do the math's.
And Power Plate are not the only ones.....
Some companies are charging $800 for a single set of isolators ( the rubber bits that act like a car suspension system for the plate ) . If these are not replaced the machine becomes uncontrollable or stops vibrating properly.
Note: These companies simply deliberately made parts that break so they can fleece you later. And guess what, you can only use the exact parts they sell. Nothing else will work. Unfortunately the industry is not big enough to make producing generic parts profitable yet. So you really are stuck with the problem.
I hope this is a wake-up call to those who thought my warnings about companies just putting the label "commercial" on anything that moved was not scare mongering or an anti-competitive sales pitch. It is real and a real concern.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-30 14:51:24
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Casey,
If you want to contact me my email is mike_hair@xtra.co.nz
I can save you a lot of headaches and money by sharing what I have learnt over the last 5 years in this industry.
Only to happy to help
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-30 14:12:47
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Casey.
Here are two pieces you should read. Based on facts and others peoples well known experiences.
Contacting Mike Hair would also be a good idea , as he has dealt with multiple companies and heard and seen it all.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-29 20:38:48
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But basically if you wind a Medium Energy Lineal all the way up to 50Hz. And feel the power of the vibration. High Energy units starts where they leave off.
Eg.......
A Power Plate @ 50Hz is considered a Level 0.5
A VibroGym @ 50hz = level 1.0 ( twice as powerful as a Power Plate ) I used those original Belgium studies as a benchmark .
My smallest training unit is a 2.0 , largest is a 5.0
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-29 20:27:07
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Hello Casey... A few points.
(1) The larger Steel Wave units are what we call high quality Medium Energy Lineal machines. They do not get much better in that category and Wave are a trustworthy company.
(2) No a good quality High Energy Lineal unit should last indefinitely. Maybe new bearings every 10 years and servicing to the electronics every so often.
(3) The 3 years thing came from companies selling cheap and shoddy equipment calling it "commercial" but them actually only being slightly above home machine level ( Power Plate the worst offender and others followed ) .
Read this for an overall idea of the issues in our industry you may have heard about.....
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Casey Johnson |
Posted On:2011-04-29 19:30:08
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My studio is looking into buying vibration machines and I read that the life span of full commercial high energy linear machines is 3 year+. Does this mean I need to buy new machines every 3 years?
I have seen very litte review of Wave and would appreciate feedback on their machines and which of their models are in the full commercial high energy range. Thanks.
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Arron |
Posted On:2011-04-27 13:42:25
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Brice from Sydney. Every company says their machine is the best and does it all. Why are you surprised at that. Surely you are not that naive.
This website is not a marketing site it is well know for giving a more balanced view and has lots of logical information to help the poor public see through the stretching of the truth by advertisers. Not trainers who should already know better.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-27 12:38:00
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You see Brice the problem we have is you dare to come on to this site, to give us your "professional" opinion. Only to end up knowing less than is printed on most cheap brochures. I have customers who would put your basic knowledge to shame.
And it would seem you charge people to use Vibration Training as part of your studio ? How exactly does that happen. I mean you are speaking like someone who is stuck in 2003. I really do not think you are a trainer, as it belies belief you would be so far behind us ( I am a mortician not a PT ) , so you should know loads more than me , not the other way around..
That is really screwed up.
Did you even read any of the articles on this site before opening up your mouth. I mean it does say.....
" Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you
If you had read any of my work you would know I have been advocating Pivotal and Lineal machines ( of all grades ) to be used on studio floors since day one. And I practice what I preach. Mike Hair was the first person to have a very wide mixture of products from different companies on a studio floor. In the world.
Show some respect and do some research next time.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-27 09:09:01
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Brice from Sydney,
Hi...I have been in this industry for over 5 years running my own studio. When we first started there was nothing on
the internet about this technology except Vibra-Train, and because we did not understand the difference between
pivotal and lineal we went for the cheaper option of pivotal (which in the end turned out more expensive) but that's a
whole new story.
The machines we originally bought were not made with plastic parts so where of reasonable quality, but one thing we
noticed very quickly was that people plateaued after about three months.
Yes they did help kick start weight loss with some people for a short period of time, but if we wanted to stay in
business we needed something that would take them to the next level and beyond. Now we were seeing up to 90
people a day, but when that number started to dwindle we knew something was not right.
That's when I contacted Lloyd Shaw by phone and asked for his help, as my whole family's lively hood was at stake.
After a few phone calls and a trip too Auckland to see how Lineal technology worked I knew my pivotal machines were
never going to carry our studio into a long term business.
Now I am not trying to convince you that one is better than the other that is not my job, what I am trying to teach you is
that if you think what you have is the be all and end all of this industry, you are seriously in trouble my friend.
Now I know pride can be a killer of many a person, especially if we think we are right, trust me it took a lot of pride
swallowing to pick up the phone and call my opposition (Lloyd), but it was the best decision I ever made as I am still in
business today with a rapid increasing customer base.
Our next step is a move to Oz, not sure when that will happen but it will happen and as a friendly word of warning to
all, If you have not positioned yourself in this industry and set up your studio with full commercial high energy lineal
machines you are in trouble.
(remember I have run high speed pivotal, medium and high energy lineal so I know what I'm talking about when it comes to results) Not like flashy marketers that have no experience, except for selling their grandmother a 2 bob watch for hundreds......
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-27 08:25:14
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Brice
I’ve taken a nice approach – tried to put up education links and explanations but no more –
I’m not currently selling any machines. There’s never marketing bs from me – I’m concerned that people get accurate information EVEN if that means supporting a company in general but differing in specifics.
Where did I say that TZone machines are no good for weightloss? Oh and please - the term is “fat-loss” – go research the difference and see what really counts! You asked about a particular machine. I said I wouldn’t recommend it for fat-loss. Can’t you read? – I also said maybe but only for beginners and that it does help mobility!
I work with heavy vibration machines every day – I’m gonna tell it like it is! Advertising does exaggerate, that’s different to the outright lies that companies use to promote their brand. TZone in Oz is cleaning up, in this they deserve support. The US “brother”, not yet.
Why do you go on about “weight-loss” ? – that’s a very important part of the usefulness of Vibration Machines but there’s lots more too. I have clients that have amazing, lifesaving, results in fat-loss as the studio I work at has high energy machines designed with supportive handlebars and uses a program specifically designed with safety first. They are lineal and yes I think they are best – I said in my opinion – that’s not marketing, especially as you probably have no access to the brand. I’ll send people to any specific machine (not necessarily brand but machine) that they can access that will help them.
Seriously Brice if you had the balls to put up your full real name we’d be more open to you. I was at the Oz Fitness expo in Sydney last weekend; it was crawling with personal trainers. You have to be gutsy and stand out from the crowd! I can’t send people to you, Brice in Western suburbs, to use the TZone machines you have or other training – and I get emails and phone calls about Oz very often. You’ve come in here to provoke, that was stupid!
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-27 00:16:54
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Loyd I didnt admit I didnt know how it works, I said you guys probably know more than me. I shouldnt have spoken so soon.
You lot support T zone Australia and you recomend them on your website, but on the other hand tell me that there machines are not good for weight loss, even though the CardioTech website says they are. You lot also tell me CardioTech is not the same as T zone, but the CardioTech website even says that CardioTech is a division of T zone and the Canada and Australian companies are run by brothers.
Call me uneducated. hrrmmm
Good luck with your confusing marketing here. What a crock.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-26 17:05:27
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Brice....
Read this to understand what we aspire to do....
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/innovation-what-vibra-train-represents
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-26 12:57:09
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Brice..
If you are a "trainer". Have owned and promoted a Vibration Machine for 2 years, but admit you don't even know how it works. You are part of the industries problem. If you do not know the basic differences between machines. You are also part of the problem. I mean what chance does the consumer have if people like you are uneducated.
Seriously what trainer recommends something with zero knowledge on the subject. So yes you sound like a salesperson, not a health professional.
High Energy Lineal..... The question you have to ask yourself, is why were these designed and built. If the previous units did it all and were the best. In fact why are better units designed all the time by the same companies that sold "the best" last year ?
It is called innovation , a fantastic idea that has given you everything you own. An idea you may never partake in yourself, but that is no reason to not show respect for the process.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-26 09:27:49
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Good Morning Brice
There’s no way I’d recommend the small pivotal vibration machines primarily for fat-loss.
They work on circulation increase, relaxation/stress reduction, bone density, lymphatic drainage, etc. Of course they are movement against resistance so they will increase metabolism – but how much is the question. They are Low impact so they also help with injury recovery.
They can improve mobility in obese people so can say they are a starter for fat-loss as long as the machine can cope with the person’s weight and not degrade in performance. The model I think you are referring says max weight 120Kg but I don’t know if it still works to full performance with that weight (many degrade by 80Kg). I have one in the studio and it’s a toy compared with the solid machines (lineal and pivotal) but Its good for for home use for the benefits above and maybe for warm up pre running/cardio and muscle relaxation after. Specifically for fat-loss – only as an absolute beginner machine for people who do no exercise at all. (Does the model on the machine look like she needs fat-loss?)
(Cardio-Tech isn’t same as T Zone but they sell their machines)
Here’s a link to Machine Reviews showing many machines and the group they fall into. http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-26 00:59:44
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Di I read it thanks. Yes CardioTech are the same as T zone Australia I know. I also saw that they have a new machine on there website.
Is the new machine good for weight loss to. It looks smaller and is cheaper.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-26 00:43:03
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Look I admit I probably dont know as much about vibration training as you guys, but I am a good trainer and I get my customers results. No need to use insult.
You support T zone Australia, so you also recommend the use of the T zone machine for vibration training, am I right. I also support T zone Australia and I think they are the best machine for weight loss for the money, yes just my opinion. My clients arnt in wheel chairs and dont have life threatening conditions, so if there are machines that are more effective for that, thats fine. You are telling me I sound like a marketer and then tell me that high energy lineal is way better. Sounds like marketing there to me to. I can get good increase in muscle and strength with the T zone to.
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