I’m hoping Mike Hair will comment as his studio had both types of machine side by side.  You also haven’t told us much about your wife and her needs. 

I’ve just had a full studio over lunchtime of 30-40 year old women, some longtime customers , some very new, others second or third time and they are getting great results on the lineal machines.

Haim

Results are what we all want – you have asked for a comparison of Medium Force Lineal to High Speed Pivotal. 

They are different modes, however I found using a High-Speed Pivotal it had a feel similar to lineal – that is its pivot was so fast it was barely noticeable – but only when used at the faster settings.  It felt similar though it was NOT the same

and for results, as an instructor I’ve only seen muscle quality and growth increases from using lineal machines.  High-speed pivotal gives fitness and if you use a full dynamic program.

On Medium force Lineal machines we recommend the Vibra-Train safety Program of completely static (not moving) positions.

It is safe for your athletic children to use the machines.  Again my leaning would be to lineal and the only restriction is that they take instruction and understand they must remain in perfect position during the entire time of each position. Don’t force them to use the machines in my opinion, they’ll know if its working for them.  I have a 13 year old netball player who I train regularly twice a week . She loves it and has developed real power in her arms and legs.  Some other young people don’t like it.

How does a medium energy lineal like the DKN XG10 compare to  premium speed pivotal machines like the Galileo for strength training and fat loss.

I like the DKN, and I found a pretty good deal on one, but I want to make sure I am purchasing a machine that will serve my purposes. Are there better options.

Thanks.

Haim

Hi Lloyd.

Thanks for the advice on the achilles treatment.

Would you suggest 40 Hz Hi Amp for all massage treatment. It seemed pretty effective in exercise six on the bullet chart for back muscle strain.

Would it be possible to suggest a range of effective settings for various massage requirements or should it always be ailment specific.

My training partner is going for physio on Tuesday for the post op achilles rupture. I will keep you updated on his progress. Hes been itching like crazy with the vibration treatment so it does seem to be doing its job of bringing blood to the area.

He is wanting to do the vibration twice a day for 2 minutes each time. Is this ok.

Thanks again.

Thanks for the reply Di. Yes, I did look at the DKN. My presumption is that the premium speed pivotal is superior to a medium energy lineal, although my thinking may not be correct. I also presume that a high energy lineal such as the Body Shaker would likely be far beyond my budget and may be difficult to source here in California.

Neither I nor my family have any health concerns, although I am interested in knowing if there are any safety concerns for children ages 10 and 12 using vibration.

Thanks again. I appreciate any information you are willing to share.

Haim

Have you checked out the DKN-XG10?  It is a lineal unit not as powerful as the Vibra-Train I work with but it is reliable.

Why did you choose pivotal to meet your families goals?  Do you have any injury or health concerns to consider?  Where in USA are you?

Hi Lloyd,

I want to thank you for this site. I was VERY close to purchasing a Power Plate machine until I came across it. I must admit that at first I took your comments as possibly being those of a disgruntled former employee, but as I pored over your forum, it has become clear that you are a man of integrity and truly trying to help consumers make informed decisions. Again, I thank you for that.

Now that I am convinced that Power Plate is not the right machine for me, I am left with the problem of trying to figure out which of the many remaining options out there would be my best choice. I am looking for a machine that can produce a significant training effect for, myself, my athlete children, and my wife. I read your machine reviews, and take it that a premium speed pivotal speed machine would be the minimum for my goals. My budget is in the 3K to 5K USD range, but I would consider spending more if there is value in the upgrade. 

At this point I am a little confused as to what to do now. I have read through your forum for recommendations, but several machines that you recommended at one point, you have become dissatisfied with later for one reason or another. I am also not sure how to determine, based on the manufacturers info, if a machine is a premium speed pivotal or a medium energy lineal. The pictures in the review help, but I have not been able to identify each machine depicted. I would sincerely appreciate any recommendations or advice  you are willing to give me. I am in the USA.

Thanks again for the great site.

Haim

Hello again,

I am really excited cause i just bought DKN  x-5.0 platform.

Thank you all for your help.

I will keep you informed witth me results .

Please note if you are in the market for a good home machine at a great price check out the links below

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=332567287

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=332567137

Oh hell yes, cant wait for the big machines to be released the suspense is killing me....I will be your guinea pig lol

Hi LLoyd thank you for your reply, I noticed a reply you sent to pearly and was wondering what you meant by other

machine designs that fix the cellulite on the front of the thighs

Here’s an example of how basically lower powered  the PowerPlate brand machines are and how “anything goes” their program for using the machine can be

 – Or maybe I should say –

Here’s an example of Stupidity as their machines are much lower force than the Vibra-Train I use but still could cause injury if used without care and real knowledge of what to do and how to do it.

I have a brochure about a PowerPlate class for fitness instructors and group ex trainers. The class is open with no previous technical knowledge or experience needed.  It is just one hour of theory and 30 minutes of Group Exercise on the platforms.

After this 90 minutes session the brochure tells me –

You will understand the science, applications and adaptation ofAcceleration Training (TM) with Vibration Training machines. You will learn how to effectively design and teach a vibration training Group Ex class. You will understand and be able to apply the methodology of vibration training.

The session is part of a conference so the trainers will attend 9 other classes covering personal training, business, medical and more yet they become proficient in PowerPlate Group Ex in just one group class ???

By contrast Vibra-Train instructors (including those who are fully qualified personal trainers) spend hours and hours learning theory - concepts of the machines, the methodology, the effects on the human body and have to be able to answer questions and discuss all this; plus many more hours being put through the Safety Program themselves, then instructing other Vibra-Train staff, their friends and family while being constantly corrected in technique before they are ever let instruct customers.  Then they are followed up – forever.  It’s reassuring to know you will be corrected and even reprimanded and that you have all the support in the world from Vibra-Train directors and top trainers. 

Yes, I thought Scott Hopson had disappeared after he failed to answer very basic questions Lloyd and I asked a few years ago while he was being called Power Plate WORLDWIDE EDUCATOR.  Scott was brought on a website then being run by Mark Verstegen and Athletes Performance called Core Performance and would not answer simple questions.  He vanished while Lloyd and I were kicked off the site for asking questions. 

John Weatherly

what a loose unit, would love to get him on a force 5 VibraTrain just to teach him a lesson in true vibration training...and hopefully snap his arms off so he cant push his weird excercises on the public.

One of our sponsored professional athletes was in the Vibra-Train studio this morning.  He hasn’t been for a few months during a rest time but he’s coming up for more competitions.

Rather than work out on his own on big machines in the back room I asked him to stay in the main studio to check his form and ensure he was getting into and maintaining perfect position.

He got it wrong right from the start – enthusiasm is no guarantee of results! 

Results come from following a strict program of perfect, safe poses on the Vibration Platform and it’s the instructor’s job to ensure this is followed. 

In the Vibra-Train studios no customer is allowed to use the higher level machines until they prove they are fully able at the lower level.

The athlete did a solid workout managing two minutes instead of one on some positions so we challenged him with extra upper body poses and he left exhausted.  He’ll soon build up and be back on the higher level machines.

Yes Philippa, almost 5000 individual visitors, not repeats

Its great to see just how influential and how quickly this site is or has become the number 1 respected authority on Vibration Training and the impact it is having worldwide on the sale of honest machinery. Congrats Guys and thanks for the help and assistance received over the years.

Hi Di

You are right abt the muscle pain after the demo session. I went for a demo session I now feel minor aches in my mujscle. Nothing major. as you suggested I will take it easy until my body gets used to the vibration machine.

Thanks

rsk

An example of great results – a guy who’s been coming into Vibra-Train for just a few months has gained muscle and strength and lost an amazing 10kg.  He combined Vibration Training with a fairly strict eating plan (with some cheat days) and got the results he wanted using the Vibra-Train Safety Program.

http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html