Mike M

Tonight my daughter and I did the full safety program following Lloyd’s instruction of 1 minute poses at 38 on low intensity, two sets each with 30 second rest in between. No issues except when trying to do the “superman” pose. Neither of us could hold the full one minute, and we didn’t even attempt to do a second set. I am not sure if it was due to the fact that is was the last pose we did or if it is really that hard to do…perhaps that is why the name? We are both really liking the machine. I will try to get hubby to try your recommendation this weekend. I was thinking massage therapy only for him until the lower back pain diminishes. Thanks for the input. It will be interesting to see if there is any real difference in our machine and the one you ordered.

Lloyd

Another question I now have - if we want to do the massage therapy for cellulite, etc….can we use the machine every day for massage…or do we still need to limit usage to every other day? My daughter is very slim, but still has just a bit of the horrible matter…and wants to work on getting rid of it before going back to college…any suggestions? I did recommend to her that she increase her water intake to 55 ounces per day …her weight is 110.

Thanks for that Patty. Still looking for my Wave to be delivered, hopefully this month? It has now been almost 9 weeks since my order, so the redesigned displays should hopefully be there by now.

FWIW I also have a lot of lower back pain, and last night I decided to try something for it using the Crazy Fit. I put a large cushion right up against the machine behind it, and sat on the base with it set to 15-20 range and leaned back and did leg lifts. It is my belief the LBP is from chronically weak lower ab muscles combined with discs that are getting dried out with age so I just wanted to get a little extra movement and vibration to that area. It felt pretty good and positioned the spine above the central platform area which is the pivot and doesn't move. This morning I am almost pain free, which is rare for me in the morning.

My next question is to Sam Vesey. I see that you compete in the high jump. Would you say that the greatest benefit of VT to you is stabilization (or strength balancing) between muscle groups, or is it increased strength? Do you think you will continue to increase strength and max vertical, or have you noticed it leveling off? Is the VT getting harder, easier, or about the same since you started? Lastly, do you concentrate more on the knee area or the calf area, and which do you think benefits the most from the VT? Do any upper body VT poses help any with your vertical?

It’s good to see that Wave have put in a delay/countdown start. That’s been standard on Vibra-Train from day 1. It allows the user to turn the machine on, get into position, check their position, and pray, and then the machine starts up.  It makes sense rather than trying to get into position on an already moving machine.

Mike M

Our machine was delivered by a big semi - very interesting since we have a 500 foot winding driveway that a semi can not maneuver down. He had to park on the road in front of wooded lot, and fortunately, I told the gal that they needed to bring a pallet jack to get the unit down our driveway to the house. If you have any special restrictions, be sure to tell the freight company when they call to set up your delivery.

The Wave Reflex seems to be well built. It is very heavy, which makes it difficult to move, but once you get it set up where you want it, no issues. We installed it in our lower level which has an area dedicated to exercise equipment. The floor has commercial grade carpet (no pile). We have no issues with the vibration carrying into the walls or floors. (A local chiropractor told a friend of mine that he had to take his machines out of his office due to complaints from his neighbors about the vibration and noise don’t know what brand machines he has) - The sound it makes is not annoying, just a steady hum. When we turn on the machine, it sounds like it is pumping air into the base, then you stand on the unit for it to adjust to your weight. I have been traveling a lot, so I have only been able to use it twice. I am back in town for a couple months now…so plan to use it every other day as Lloyd instructs. I am doing the safety program in addition to a few of the poses the Wave book recommends. I found the 30 second poses to be fairly easy on the low setting at 38 frequency. Maybe a little burn in the last few seconds. I plan to try Lloyds recommendation of doing 1 minute poses at 38...low and progressing up when I have no issues with holding the poses. I really like the time delay setting and the lower start button for doing non-standing poses. The delay allows me to do a pose, hit the delay button immediately and it counts down your rest time, give a 5 second warning to set up for your pose again. When we hit the “finish” button, the unit does make a little racket…and I am thinking about calling Wave to see if this is normal. As I mentioned in my previous post, hubby has back pain right now…so he is not using the machine yet. Hopefully in another week I will be able to get him on it again. So far, with minimal chance to use the machine, I would say that I am very satisfied with our purchase. I will keep you posted on our progress.

This discussion forum is worldwide so it cannot generally be used to buy or sell machines. There are auction sites available – ebay worldwide, TradeMe New Zealand, etc  -  designed for resale and they work very well.

Please keep the discussion to current news within the industry, experiences – good and bad, questions that are not covered by the articles on site, discussion about the articles and similar. Thanks

Hi Patty, how impressed are you so far by the build quality of the Wave? What poses are you doing? How often do you use it?

Our Wave Reflex arrived last week, but we did not get it set up until Sunday.  My daughter and I have both used it twice.  We are taking it easy...38 freq and low amplitude ..some poses very easy and a few burn at the 30 second mark.  My daughter experiences the severe itchy feeling for about 90 seconds...but it goes away.  It says that can be normal...is that true.  I do not get the itching.  What is the longest time you should build to for each pose....and should we work up to the high setting for amplitude

Hubby has hurt his back, so he wont get on it until next week...I have to go out of town tomorrow...and I am afraid to let him use it while I am gone....any therapy on the machine that would be good for lower back soreness

At least it is miles away from the random jumping around, or standing upright and wobbling around, stuff being promoted by other companies.  More videos up with controlled poses the better in my opinion. 

To mention another recent thing, has anyone else noticed that Wave has recently (like in the last month or so) posted numerous new videos to Youtube, including several featuring Brian Holloway? Any opinions on these?

Well, to contribute to this discussion, some of  Powerplate owners, encouraged by representative of this company for my country, actually tells people that „Vibration on Bodyshakers is too intense, and thus too dangerous for anyone, especially elderly people, and children.“ Others attacks are in a form of: „Their vibration makes you fat“, „There you are not exercising, but only stand on a plate“, „They offering only 30 minutes training, and with us this is almost an hour“, etc...
But the good part is that this form of  „marketing“ actually creates more interest for what we are doing. I would say, that in a long turn, they are doing us a favor. So no complains, just  :))

Lloyd – Further to your comments re the BodyGreen  BS marketing.

The exclusive agent for this product is Fitness Imports in Albany just around the corner from our Vibra-Train studio.

One of our clients who has been a regular for many years visited Fitness Imports looking at renting a treadmill. During discussions’ she made it known she was a Vibra-Train client. She was told by a sales/technical person there that our machines were dangerous

Our client knows that this is an outright lie and Fitness Imports has lost all credibility in her eyes, as do all of our clients we tell about this situation.

Sure sell your products on the features and benefits it offers but don’t tell lies about other products you just lose credibility and harm the industry in general.

And I will be looking at what actions are available to me if I get more feedback of these lies coming out of Fitness Imports.

Hello Di,

I can tell the exact same thing as you said. I have a couple of ex Power Plate customers that are now very impressed of how much stronger the feeling is on the VibroGym. They also like very much the fact that THEY DO NOT HAVE TO MOVE during the exercises. Actually, when they came in and I explained the workout program they told me they did not understand why on the PP they had to move, but you already know the story... 

I was reminded today of how fortunate I am to use a real, high-energy, lineal machine.  And also that there is almost never a really bad machine, there’s just different quality and types.
 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine

 It’s really important to use a machine carefully and deliberately using a safe, effective program and the right settings on the machine (that is, if it has variable frequency, amplitude, time) to get the very best results possible from that particular machine.

Today a customer told me he’d been in Germany for the past week and did a session using a PowerPlate brand machine.  He found it very easy and “weak” feeling so he asked the instructor to change the settings but was told, No, he had to get used to the easiest settings and time first. He also found the positions very different to the IVTRB Safety Program and said even a one legged squat, not a position he does at home, was easy and didn’t feel like real training.

He explained the he used high-energy machines in New Zealand and again asked for the PowerPlate to be set to its hardest setting and for him to do his regular program.  The instructor agreed he could try the hardest setting but expected him to fail; instead he still asked for more. My customer then told the PowerPlate instructor about the machines he uses here in Auckland.  He said he was not believed; it was as though the instructor (who he said was also a salesman) could not imagine any machine more powerful than PowerPlate and what’s more he couldn’t grasp that a higher energy machine was available in a small country far away, and not in Europe (and not his brand maybe).

I smiled at my customer’s experience and once again felt grateful for the machines I use (and instruct others to use).  But the PowerPlate could have been used in a way that would have given my client a reasonably good workout – he’s used to a solid machine so he was capable of the highest setting and the longest time periods. The instructor could have learnt a lot from my customer - but to be fair he would have been following the programs set down by the company he works for. I had a similar experience when I trialled PowerPlate – weak low settings and 30 second positions – even my old 86 year old client does 60 second positions and sneaks in extra (2 minute poses)  if I don’t watch him all the time!

Well, I for one have been on both; I do realize that a Crazy Fit is pretty marginal, but still. I went with my purchase choice (Wave) mostly based on "feel", not too scientific, but it's what I can deal with. To me, the lineal machine felt smoother overall but especially when trying to do any kind of upper body work, which to me the pivotal is too rough by far without using a damping pad. And I felt much greater results on my one exposure to the Wave than to the Crazy Fit, but I just figure that's because it's a better machine, period.

I think you should only avoid a lineal if you can't bend your knees, at all...

Mike

Thanks very much...will probably be down next week.

Here’s a question for the people out there that bash one form of vibration training over the other, ( which by the way i do not agree with as they both have their place in society)

Why is Vibra-Train still open after 6 or 7 years if Lineal is bad for you?

Why do hundreds of people still come back week after week with great results after using lineal machines?

Why am I still in business after 5 years of using lineal machines?

I find it very insulting that people such as Murray Seaton say that what I do is dangerous. Can’t wait to meet this turkey face to face!!!

There is a comment on another site by someone called Elanna. 

She writes “it’s so hard to do research when there’s so much fiction out there. Technical information can be doctored and embellished... About the only thing I've gleaned from all the info is not to buy a linear machine.....  re-distributors that charge huge mark-ups for the machines they buy for next to nothing.  Add to that the Chinese copies that look identical and you have consumes totally confused and frustrated.

..... I have wanted a machine like this for a while but confess I'm ready to GIVE UP without help.  WHO CAN WE TRUST?

My comments on this:

She has fallen into the very trap she wanted to avoid – she says she has learned NOT TO BUY A LINEAR MACHINE – where did she glean this? How is it that she trusts the source of information that tells her this? 

She believes it because the source (website) has a picture of an article and research study and mentions NASA so she thinks it MUST be valid. Its a pity she hasn’t read more websites and she’d find that its total scare-tactics designed to create fear against lineal machines – it’s marketing BS. They simply want people to buy their brand of pivotal machine.

So, WHO CAN WE TRUST?

The only person I’ve found to be completely trustworthy is Lloyd Shaw.  He’s given answers to the questions people ask with no ulterior motives.

Pam

give me a call when you are down this way and i will help you out.

Thankyou Di,yes it is a 1.3000..I appreciate your feedback

I was using 6 so will take it up.

Cheers

Pam

You got the BodyGreen 3000 machine ?

To get maximum benefit you need to use it at the highest setting which equates to about 30Hz.

Follow the IVTRB Safety Program (http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html)

Hi Mike...Body Green on trade me...I am about 1.5 hours from Invercargill

Cheers

Hi Pam

What machine did you buy

Where are you situated again....I am in Invercargill at VibraTrain 032163771

Mike

Hi ..I purchased the vibration platform that you recommended  Lloyd and after initally being a little disappointed as it was a little different to what i was using  I am now quite happy so thankyou very much.

I do have a couple of questions about the Hz I should be using as the machine only has 1 to 8 in numerals and I am unsure what frequency i am using.

Also Mike I would really like to take you up on your invitation at your gym but am unsure which gym you are at..I would really appreciate the chance to see what you do and whether I am on the right track.