My chiro is Dr. Scelfo who is right here in Winston off of NC 150. He is actually in a shopping center that includes a Food Lion etc. I mapped a route up there from Charlotte and it says it's about an hour and 20 minutes going on 85 and 52, a bit over 70 miles. His office is actually a bit south of Winston between that and Welcome, but it's a Winston-Salem address. He has two of the Pro Elite which is Wave's heaviest machine with the largest platform. I would call ahead though he's not too busy, usually.

Mike M

Sorry It took me so long to respond I was in the Mountains. I ordered my Wave and they ship out on Tues and Thursday I believe. I received mine in 8 days. I am in Arizona. I am telling you it is worth the wait and the money. I value Lloyds opinion and that is why I went with WAVE. You would not be sorry with the Air Reflex. To be honest I dont even use the club. I apply everything from this site. I know that I am going to get an unbiased and educated response from Lloyd and company.

MikeP, i was wondering - when you ordered your Aireflex, did it take them a month to ship it to you? What can you tell me about your experience as a Wave customer? How do you like the Wave Club so far?

I've just been given access to the Club, and so far, I find it a little disappointing. I was hoping there'd be a forum there where we could read about what other Wave users had found out, tips and so forth, and there isn't one.

Mike M

I am going to be in Charlotte in mid July for a few days...was your chiro anywhere near there....thanks for the hammer analogy..makes sense...when you see people on the pivitols...they are shaking all over...unlike the lineals

Patty, I just told her that another person I knew of had gotten the $4500 deal, then I started asking if a similar deal (discount) was available for the other machines, like Contour Plus and Contour. That's when she started offering around 10% off on most everything (actually $1550 for a Contour is a bit better than that). $3600 is the price I wound up paying for Contour Plus. And yes I think it is kind of steep and only went there on Lloyd's recommendation; he really seems to respect Wave and that gets my attention. There's not so many options available to us around here. You say you are in Tennessee? You might consider driving to NC, or at least looking on the locater and then Google Maps how far it is; western NC and Tennessee are not all that far apart. Might make a nice short day trip to try out a machine.

As I may have mentioned earlier, I had googled and found a place with $500 off the $4000 DKN XG10, which appears to be a nice machine too. I think its platform is a bit smaller than the Wave's though. But they do give the force rating in KN! So that's a good thing...

Lloyd has a video that shows I think a hammer jumping on one of his machines; you can't see it moving either until he puts it on there, and then it won't stay on.

Lloyd,

Yes, warranties are only as good as the companies that back them.  Re the amplitude on lineals...Wave is 1mm to 4mm ...is that considered good for a lineal...is the Wave Reflex a medium energy lineal

Mike M

One othe piece of info on Wave...warrianty is 1 year parts and labor and then 2nd year parts only....this seems a bit low for a unit that is supposed to be so well built...from the web site I thought it was a full 2 years.

Mike M

We were out of town over the weekend, so I didn’t get to connect with Rochelle at Wave until today. She only mentioned the long wait time on the Contour Plus due to the backorder on the touch screen that has been redesigned . She did not mention the 4 week wait for the Air Reflex machine. She said the actual wait on the Contour Plus might be as much as 10 weeks, since the screens are due in 7 weeks, and then they need to install and ship. She gave me access to the Wave Club…I agree with you…a bit of a disappointment. Not what I expected. I couldn’t even tell if the machine was actually turned on during the exercise demonstrations. There didn’t appear to be any movement of the platform in the demo’s. And, no customer forum for sharing.

Also, Rochelle told me they couldn’t offer the $4,500 price on the Air Reflex…but would sell the air at the $5000 special price that was offered over the weekend. Since we were originally trying to stay around $3000 for a machine, we are not sure that we want to go an extra $2000 on a machine we can’t demo before buying. Rochelle said they were losing money at the $4500 price - not sure I believe that!  She said the machines are manufactured in Canada. I asked her about a reference in TN that we might be able to contact…but she couldn’t offer anyone. She said they are waiting for contracts to be returned that would allow them to provide contacts in Tennessee. We will continue to ponder this over a bit more and perhaps look at other machines too.

I asked Rochelle about whether or not you could manually set the machine to a specific frequency and amplitude, instead of using the programs.  I was surprised that she did not know the answer and had to go look at the machine to give me the correct answer.  Hmmm made me wonder how experienced she was with the machine.  She said she didnt own one but had access to use one at work daily.

You mentioned that you finally got offered the $4500 price, how did that occur?

MikeP, i was wondering - when you ordered your Aireflex, did it take them a month to ship it to you? What can you tell me about your experience as a Wave customer? How do you like the Wave Club so far?

I've just been given access to the Club, and so far, I find it a little disappointing. I was hoping there'd be a forum there where we could read about what other Wave users had found out, tips and so forth, and there isn't one.

Hi Lloyd, i was wondering if you have had a chance to respond to my post of the 270511

Ok, I just got told by Rochelle that (unless I misunderstood) it takes 4 weeks to deliver ANY machine from Wave. So if I ordered a Contour or Aireflex today, it'll be 4 weeks to deliver. A contour Plus, that PLUS the 7+ weeks to get parts. So at least 11 weeks. What a bummer. That's a lot longer on that Crazy Fit than I had in mind...

You know, I'm glad I watched that squat video. Turns out I've been doing it pretty much spot on that, not because I knew about it, but because of the tipping. I was trying to do what to me is a traditional free weight squat which brings the thighs down to nearly parallel to the floor. That is what would tip. So I was stopping short in that same partial squat position.

And you know what, when I set the machine to about 7 that is where I see the greatest amount of contractions in my quads. Down lower, not so much. Might be because I would tense up out of fear of tipping, though...

Patty, right now I am having the same quandary as you are. On the one hand, I'd like to save $900 by getting the Contour Plus. OTOH, I hate to wait, always have. So the Aireflex is looking tempting. I was not able to complete my order Friday before they closed up, so the devil is in my ear all weekend, and I'm trying not to listen...

Mike M

Just a wee bit of advice...When doing the squat make sure your centre of balance is over top of yourself, knees to the front of your toes, not past them. You should not lean back on the machine ie..water ski position.

Check out the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/user/VibraTrain#p/u/19/6fWoFeiPkcY

Regards

Mike

Mike M and Di Heap,

Thank you for your comments re pivitol vs lineal.  Di, you ae right about all the marketing business....totally confusing and tends to make you think lineal is not good.  We would not even consider the Crazyfit, but we were serously considering the Nitrofit.  I think we will be going with one of the Waves...and stick with the safety program.  I definiley dont need a light machine that will turn over when my husband uses it.  He is already unstable on his feet and his weight is around 188 and his height is 6"0 tall...I on the other hand am short at 63 inches and 125 pounds  so no issue with machine turn over for me.  it seems that the Wave will be more stable for him.  I would not have thought of this being an  issue with a light machine if you had not mentioned that Mike.  We are excited about the therapy benefits for him and I for the training benefits.  So, we will just have to decide between a 7 week wait or hitting our bank account for the extra grand. 

Oh...I had previously tried using the locator for a Wave machine in our area...but it didnt provide me with anyone near us....so we will have to take a leap of faith on this one.  This forum has helped a lot so I think the Wave will be a good pick for us.

Thanks again for all your help.  We will let you know how it all works out when we get our machine.

Mike M

You’ve summed it up really well. Just to add a few points                            

1.       Your weight is affecting the performance of the Crazyfit (not that it’s working to specs anyway).  It is, as you say, useful for therapy – gentle circulation increase so can relieve stress and things like leg aches. It’s even enough to positively affect bone density if used regularly.

2.       For upper body positions a mat is essential and low speed – I do like that type of machine for the shoulder massage I get when if I do a kneeling push-up.  Overall I can’t recommend that brand or all the others that look alike (just different labelling). The bigger, more solid machines of that type are better for minor fitness gains but they make me feel very “seasick”.  There’s also the problem of durability – how long will the machine last and will the seller honor the warranty?

There are other pivotal machines that are better as a start for people needing therapy and a little fitness gains. For you, of course, it’s there to use until you get your Wave.

3.       Standing upright on a pivotal machine at low frequency is totally okay for people who just want therapy benefits. (I prefer soft knees but locked is okay).

4.       NEVER stand lock-legged on a lineal machine. It causes the vibrations to be felt into the neck/head area and you will get a headache or just find it a very unpleasant feeling.
Note: this is the comparison that is used by marketers to get you to buy their brand of Pivotal machine by saying that Lineal is dangerous.  They get you to stand upright on both types of machines and of you will then prefer pivotal BUT that’s gross misuse of the lineal machine. BOTH types have uses and benefits. It can come down to individual choice although Lineal is still the preferred machine for serious training.

5.       People can start with therapy and progress to training on both lineal and pivotal. The biggest limitation is the machine quality (as you’ve found out by your tests). I have two ladies in the studio here now.  Both started doing only basic squats due to health conditions. Now they do the full ITVRB Safety Program . Not everyone will be able to do that, some start sitting in a chair with feet on the machine and progress to squats. The main thing is not to be limited by the machine you choose or be prepared to replace later.

Hi Patty

Well I can't say I can recommend the Crazy Fit, it is kind of, well, to be kind, a short term solution at best. And it probably does not go faster than 12 Hz or so. In fact I should maybe consider rigging up something, I am an electronic tech by training, something like an actuator connected to a frequency counter would tell me the actual frequency, perhaps. But it is not that fast, but I have noticed my muscles seem to prefer a low setting like 7 (to relax), but the machine goes up to 20 (NOT Hz). At 1 it is probably less than 1 Hz, maybe 0.5 or so.

Comparing the two machines I have used, a Crazy Fit and a Wave Pro Elite, is like comparing a Yugo to a Bentley. There is no comparison. I find trying to use the Crazy Fit to do upper body work painful. The platform has these ridges in the plastic that hurt the fingers and it is quite jarring. And those bars that go around the machine get in the way a lot. You don't want to stand on a lineal with straight legs, but it's not bad at all on a pivotal, but there's no benefit to doing it, it just wastes time.

In contrast, the Pro Elite is smoother and not as jarring and the chiro had this 1/2" or so rubber pad lying there you can use to cushion the jarring somewhat. And I cannot do a full squat on the Crazy Fit as I weigh 230 and the machine only weighs maybe 60 lbs at most, it tips over if I try to lean that far back. Last time I tried to prevent that by propping my back against a wall, but that kind of ruins the effect a bit.

Overall I would have to say the cheap pivotals offer very limited training benefit, but the therapy benefit is considerable, it just makes my legs feel a lot better to kind of do a partial squat at about 7. I have tried to do a full squat but the tipping thing kind of makes it awkward; maybe I'll have that figured out by the time the Contour Plus gets here. My friend is considering mounting it on a sheet of plywood to widen the base and prevent tipping (my idea).

Maybe you can find a chiro local to you who has a Wave. I think I was able to find one by going on their site, seems there was a listing I was able to find that listed 3 locations here in NC who had them, one here, one in Raleigh and one some other place. Here, I found it:

http://www.wavexercise.com/locator.php

Maybe if there's not one in your town, maybe there's one in driving distance?

Mike M

I was wondering if you could describe the diffence in the feel of being on the Wave lineal versus the Crazy Fit oscilating plate.  Up until being on this discussion forum, I had only been looking at the pivitol type...and have never experience the lineal.  We are still hesitating over buying something we have never seen or tried.  If we do go with the Contour, we will probably go with the Reflex, simply because of my husbands disease.

Thanks for your help and previous experience you posted.

Well, thanks everyone who weighed in, I am ordering a Contour Plus, yes waiting 2 months will be painful, but it's the one I wanted all along, soon as I saw it. I do see where the DKN XG10 is on sale for $3500, and it may be the closest thing to the Contour Plus, but the price is about the same and I just think the Wave is better for some reason, I can't really explain it, I saw where someone didn't like the feel of the DKN and I rather liked the feel of the Wave Pro Elite. Guess I'll use my friend's Crazy Fit for a couple months, if it lasts that long, then I'll owe him a few months on the Wave...
I think I had a pump in my leg muscles (the calves) HOURS after I had that workout...

 

GT

Just to correct the link Lloyd added -

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/weight-loss-resistance-training-vibration-training-for-woman

I notice new customers get heavier in weight yet change shape and look better after about 3 weeks (10 sessions), its after that that they show real fat loss. It's already happening for many – they slim a bit in waist/hip area but because they are building high quality muscle (as you've noticed) their weight goes up – try explaining that to females. - the link above does

Thanks Lloyd

I will do.  I just wish I can lose some of my beer belly.  i was doing my workout plus interval trainning but stopped intervals as I fear I may be overtainning.

thanks for the feedback

GT

I have been working out on my machine for a few weeks now.  I can definitely see some muscle buisling in my shoulders and arms and chest but I am not losing any fat and I think I am either over training or not eating enough or both.  I typically do 3 sets of each as follows

squats 60 sec 40hrz

lunge 40 at 40

back 40 at 40

chest usually 6 sets 40 at 4 with 2 different exercises

bicepts 60 sec at 40 with resistance

tricept 40 at 40

abs 40 at 40

I do this every other day with weekend off

Can you help