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Jon Posted On:2012-10-10 06:38:04

Rumor has it that Power Plate North America is filing for bankruptcy.  There are two major fitness equipment shows here.  IHRSA and Health and Fitness Business. They showed up to IHRSA in March but not to Health and Fitness business last month.  That is the first time I have not seen them there.  Some of their dealers say that they are restructuring. Has any one else heard about this.  They are owned by a larger investment company   http://www.whitney.com/investments.html.  I am sort of shocked that the bigger company would let them sink. I know that they spent millions on marketing but I figured they had done millions in sales as well.  The Doctor Mercola site alone sold at least a thousand machines.  Can anyone confirm this or is it just a rumor.   

 
Di Heap Posted On:2012-10-09 11:42:34

Vibration Therapy – results of a Study of a Single Session on ankle plantarflexion spasticity and gait performance in patients with chronic stroke

I don’t have access to the full study so I don’t know what machine brand or type was used or what the single session consisted of - but the abstract conclusion says: These results suggest that a single session of whole body vibration training can reduce ankle plantarflexion spasticity in chronic stroke patients, thereby potentially increasing ambulatory capacity”.

There’s nothing new here, it’s the sort of results we see every week in people with gait and other problems.  And of course a study is only as good as the parameters set

BUT I’m happy to see the academic world catching up with what’s already happening.

Note: this study is using Vibration Therapy – just one use of Vibration Machines

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-08 18:41:03
Past comments from Angela McKee  ( that was taken off a forum now owned and censored by marketers.
 
 
 2007
 
Masters Female Athlete of the Year - Angela McKee
Angela is ranked number one equal in the world for her age group (F35) over the high jump. She won the New Zealand Masters Jumper of the year award. At the Melbourne Commonwealth Games she won the bronze medal in the high jump
 
What is Vibra-Train for...?
 

¨       For people who want to get back into sport and be injury free. 

¨       Balancing up your body and being able to walk and jog again pain free. 

¨       When people put on weight and are very heavy they want to loose weight but need help to get started.

¨       Strength and power for athletes

With Vibration training you don’t need to run or jump but squat, lunge, dips, and press-up in beginner styles to use your large muscle groups to burn energy/fat.

 

On dodgy or basically useless research .....     

     
I  have read the article on Sprinting "No marked improvement for
sprinters"  I found it interesting and I'm not knocking it as it seems a
very constructive report based on correct method of testing, however -
it's like any testing - what were the parameters used?

This test used very good sprinters - my question is - at the top of your
game what should you expect to see gained in 5 weeks?

Secondly what machines were used for the test? I have used Vibro-gyms,
Power plates and the Vibra-train machines and they are like comparing 2
litre, 3 litre and 8 litre engines so I'm not surprised by these results
The Vibra-Train units have been developed at a different level. Plus
what were the exercises used during the training.

I am always looking for ways to naturally increase strength and my event
is jumping so I have found the Vibra-Train machines fantastic. Please
note that I also sprint now but did little before vibration training as
I didn't feel I was fast enough.

When you have jumped as high as your expectations and normal training
have let you, you seek alternative safe and natural methods for the
smallest and hardest gains which take you to new personal bests at the
top end.  After four years of 1-2 cm increments I had a 4cm gain in my
first year and a further 2cm gain before bruising a heel in competition.


Had I been able to continue at the same rate I'm sure I would have had a
4 cm increment for 2006.

I am running faster and bounding further. One of the main reasons for
this is that my coach and Lloyd sat down and we learnt about vibration
training and Lloyd learnt about the high jump technique.  Lloyd also
came down and watched me jump and was able to design a programme with
exercises unlike exercises one would normally do in commercial
environment.

In fact I am sure with the other machines would not have received the
gains that I have so far, in fact if I am away and have to use another
machine I feel like I'm driving a Mini maybe I have just been spoiled
too much? 

I have two junior athletes training with me who have never lifted
weights and have increased their 100m time by 1 second and a 10cm
increase in the high jump. Yes they are young but the vibration training
is the only power work they have done. It's safe if it's supervised and
the young athletes have had no injuries, in fact it's the balance and
stride length gains which seem to be the most beneficial right now.

You must remember that we have been on a longer programme then 5 weeks
and our exercises are developing as we gain more strength. It's too easy
to take a small sample test result and draw conclusions from this. You
can design any test to get any answer you want. The real test is in
continued use and the end performance. This shouldn't stop you further
investigating vibration training for sprinting gains. But before you go
too far down the track talk to Lloyd and make sure you have the right
information and machines for the results you require.  

I know the test was for sprinters and I am a jumper but from what I have
seen from my young athlete's leaves me in no doubt that vibration
training does offer benefits and I would love the same test done again
in conjunction with Lloyd's machines and his exercises. Food for
thought!

Angela McKee
New Zealand Representative Athlete
 
 

New Zealand’s number one high jumper, Angela McKee is a strong believer in the benefits of Vibra-Train. The Bronze medalist and mother of two, says as soon as she started using the sports vibration training machine she noticed a huge gain in her strength.

 

Jumping 1.83 metres to place third at the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, Angela says combining the core Vibra-Train exercises with her regular training schedule has definitely improved her overall performance. “You feel really alive when you get on the machine. It is so beneficial in so many ways. It really works for everybody, from people just walking around the block to professional athletes, it’s great.”

 
Angela Posted On:2012-10-07 20:40:03

I am a Vibra Train loyalist.. I used Vibra Train to prepare for both national and international highjump events,  2005 to 2007. Under Lloyds supervision I used his machines with a special compression program to increase my strenght and power without gaining weight. When I went to the Melbourne Common Wealth Games Lloyd sent a machine to the venue for me to use. I was a bronze medalist in my early 30s and in the best shape of my life.

Now as an ex athlete working full time, I pop in at least 2 times a week to maintain a toned athletic body. Lloyds program is short and intense, your out of the studio within 30minutes. You get amazing results without spending hours in the gym.

I recommend Vibra Train to all my friends and athletes.

 
Di Heap Posted On:2012-10-06 09:57:58

A quick Google search "Powerplate International" brings up a page titled  WHY WE ARE THE LEADER

Very wishful thinking on the part of  New Zealand PowerPlate website

Leaders keep their brand operational especially when it's very existence is to benefit people's health and fitness. Yet where are PP studios in NZ. Where are all the people who are getting benefits from Poweraplate training in NZ. GONE Closed Down. 

Meanwhile VibraTrain keeps on growing every day. And as well as having paying customers, at way less price than PowerPlate, VibraTrain gives free sessions to the most needy in our community. I'm proud to be part of this. Apologises to Lloyd if this sounds like bragging but each day brings new challenges and new people into the studio where I work. It's very exciting and very rewarding And I don't mean money. 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-06 02:02:00
A message to all those who supported and promoted Power Plate throughout their global scam.
 
All is not forgiven. All is not forgotten.
 
Naming and shaming is what you have to look forward to.  I will personally make sure it all goes on the great permanent internet record.
 
You will not get to slink away into the shadows on this one. 
 
Greed at all cost was your undoing.   
 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-06 01:39:20
And down they go. The most dishonest company our industry has had to contend with.
 
 
 
 
They actually deserve some jail time in my opinion.
 
( A reminder of what these people think is acceptable behavior. )  
 
 
 
And just in case industry people think that it is "bad cricket" to publish Power Plates failure on a forum...
 
Check out this.....  http://twitter.com/powerplate/status/10367199387  They don't think twice about do it to another company. What is good for the Goose .....
 
 
Plus. ....  Power Plate Belgium are Bankrupt.... .    http://www.makaa.be/appelboom/index.csp?T=3&M=1||1||0||0||0||0&AUC=397 
 
House of cards peoples
 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-04 15:07:37
REMINDER OF THE FORUM RULES
 
Please make sure if you are publishing a serious opinion on what my company does. Use your full name.
 
If it is just a question on training methods or general industry information. This level of transparency and disclosure is not needed.  
 
Kim Powell Posted On:2012-10-04 15:07:14

I have a muscle wasting disease.  I read in the muscular dystophy magazine that Loyd Shaw was kindly offering to give free workouts to people like me.  I have been going 2 to 3 times a week for the last two and a half years and have gained muscle strength.  When I started I could only complete a 20second squat but now I am doing the full program plus a few extra exercises to help my particular problems, such as weakness in my neck.  I feel that Monty should come and see for himself before he makes any judgements.  Come and see. Give it a try.  I feel much better now, that is for sure.

Thanks Loyd I do really appreciate what you have done for me.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-10-04 13:25:00

Well I’m issuing a challenge to Monty Betham to come into Vibra-Train Auckland City and do a full regular session.  Are you up to it, Monty?

I watched “The Ridges” first episode where it was said that Monty was dismayed to hear that Jaime was doing Yoga and Vibra-Train for fitness and since then I’ve heard from several people that Monty dismisses Vibra-Train.

As a Vibra-Train instructor I see all sorts of people from the really unfit, morbidly obese (and those with disabilities) right through to people who are Olympic standard (some medal winners) and they all get a REAL workout and REAL results at Vibra-Train. 

I’ve previously worked in a gym and brought to Vibra-Train other gym instructors and personal trainers, including those who had laughed and held the pig-headed opinion that no one could get fit from using a vibration machine. They soon changed their minds – one session was all it took.

I want to see the expression on your face, Monty, after a 2 minute SuperSquat. Come on, don’t be a meathead and make unqualified statements, come in a prove yourself!

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-04 01:18:28
Just to make this perfectly clear. Vibra-Train is an anti-obesity campaign. Prevention and possible solution.
 
What I am waiting to see is if Monty Betham is man enough to stand by his disrespectful comments, or will he hide behind his family and charity. 
 
Petrina Sheppard Posted On:2012-10-03 22:34:22

Hi I too like Debbie have been training in Muay Thai. I stopped competing a couple of years ago due to work and family committments. In the past I have trained to international level. I am a former NZ champion. Since stopping my kickboxing and gym training I started to fell quite tired and lethargic. I found it hard to get the motivation to go to the gym or do other exercise that I use to love to do.  I went with Debbie to vibratrain and liked it as there is no excuse for not doing10mins exercise. I was concerned about my lack of fitness and not wanting to exercise. With vibratraining I have started to feel healthier and gain some strength to even do the odd kickboxing class again. With a busy lifestyle and working all day with special needs kids it is a good way to get stronger fitter and healthier a bit quicker without having to spend hours at the gym. It seems to help rehabilitate old injuries too. I would strongly recommend trying vibratrain. 

 
John Posted On:2012-10-03 22:14:21

Wonderful to hear how VibraTrain has helped Debbie Malam after serious injuries.  The time efficiency, as she mentioned in her post, is important for many as it will help with adherence.

John T. Weatherly

 
Wayne Campbell Posted On:2012-10-03 21:37:08

 

As a Vibra-Train studio owner I am very disappointed to say the least to hear that a well known celebrity and former professional athlete Monty Betham  is actively criticising Lloyd Shaws work to help fight obesity and other health problems in New Zealand. I have been involved with Lloyd Shaw for over 8 years, in that time i have been astounded at his drive, persistence and dedication to giving up his time and money to achieve this. Much of the work he does in this area is done for free, and I cannot understand why anyone who truly has the health and welfare of other people at heart would do this? Surely the end result is the most important thing here? I can only question Monty Bentham’s real motivation if this is true.  

 
DebbieMalam Posted On:2012-10-02 21:18:22

Vibratrain Supporter...

I am new to Vibratrain, have been doing Vibratrain now for the last two months.  I come from a strong Muay Thai,Thai Boxing background, having concentrated on the fitness side of the sport as well as the competition for well into 20 years now.

A few years ago, I sufferred a serious injury, breaking my leg, ankle and foot, which meant having to go through 3 surgeries, having 11 screws, two rods and one plate put into my leg ankle and foot  to stabilise it.  This meant I lost 40 percent flexibility and lost basic movement.   

As a result of lack of exercise, poor diet and injury, I plonked on a lot of weight, and my tone quickly faded.  

Since doing Vibratrain for this short period of time, I have gained back flexability, strength and tone... I have lost 4kg without much effort at all..... my ankle does not ache or swell and I am noticing my body shape change.  

I could easily find an excuse not to go to the gym and workout for an hour, or an hour and a half.. but there is no excuse for not having time to participate in a 10 minute or 12minute workout on the Vibratrain machine.

If there is a skeptic out there, I would recommend trying Vibratrain before making a judgement on it....  Results are what matters, if i had the choice to take up working out in a gym for an hour to an hour and a half every second day, and Vibratrain....   Vibratrain would win HANDS DOWN.....  I highly recommend for all to give it a go.  

 

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-02 20:39:44
 
 
 
Time to go on the attack...... 
 
 
It has been reported to me multiple times a well known trainer here in NZ called Monty Betham  has been denigrating my work for the last few years. But cant obviously be bothered to even come in and see what Vibra-Train does and represents. ( Even though he works in the same city and could have dropped in anytime ).
 
Now considering I have been doing free work since 2004 in the area of people with either muscle wasting conditions, medical or obesity issues that would inhibited them from exercising ( in the normally prescribed way PTs are limited to ). I am sick of people like him trash talking my alternative program just because they cant understand it.
 
 
Now I only entered the fitness industry to address issues I was seeing in the Mortuary, issues in my opinion the Health & Fitness Industry  and Medical fraternity, had completely failed to comprehend and account for in its "solutions"  And this is not the first time I have faced this issue..   
 
But a few points aggravate the situation .....
 
(1) He has influence and many people respect him and his opinion
 
(2) He is an athlete so fully understands how the "arm chair critic"  annoys people with actual experience.   
 
(3) This guy is meant to be on the same side as me fighting Obesity. He was involved in setting up a charity group in my city to fight obesity ( good motive for rubbishing my work maybe ? )    .
 
 
I have been told my request ( re challenge ) for him to come and put his money where his mouth is, has been sent to his "agent". But I am pretty sure he didn't ask his agent's permission before trash talking my work. 
 
This is the "official" response so far,  a complete unambiguous denial ...
 
        " no one within our organisation let alone Monty has any negative thoughts whatsoever on Vibra-train or any other techniques or initiatives"..
 
 
Someone is full of BS. Either the people repeating to me Monty's comments or the official comment is a lie.
 
 
 If it turns out to be the later I plan to use this situation to highlight the unethical and uneducated nature of some people out there. And highlight it is only a lack of effort that creates such ignorance.
 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-10-01 17:02:49
Michael
 
Better than a Power Plate. But you will be pushing its limits unfortunately.
 
Power Plates Pro lost full function at anything over 40kg. Fit-Vibe Pro will fair much better .
 
 
Having said that, following a safety program on any device should give some results.
 
  Just be very careful of your joint angles and maybe find something to take load through your arms during your squats.
 
 
 
Regarding CHCH and Power Plate. I have no idea why any business down there trusts them, with their history of dishonestly and selling shoddy equipment. Very strange situation
 
Michael Posted On:2012-10-01 01:26:35

 

Hi Lloyd
 
As I am 160kgs, I need a robust machine to train on.
I would love to work out at a Vibra-Train studio, but as I live in Chch, my options are limited (it seems like all we have here are Power-Plate studios for women)
 
What are your thoughts about the FitVibe Excel Pro machine ?
 
Cheers
--Michael
 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-24 18:46:49
Hello David, that is great news. Glad to see our advice and recommendations being taken seriously. Using Pivotal alongside Lineal. So often we get labeled as anti-competitive by dodgy industry people. As you are aware, this technology used properly has the ability to help a lot of people. Good work.
 
Body-Shaker really deserve to do well as a company.  They never sold out.  
 
Unfortunately rubber isolators change their composition over a period of time. No getting around that.( Eventually I think most companies will follow my lead and move away from rubber )
 
Weight restrictions....  Hopefully they become a thing of the past as the consumer and health professionals vote with their wallets towards bigger platforms with more power.  ( and also hopefully expose companies  using fake max weight limits in the process )
 
David Novatnak, D.C. Posted On:2012-09-23 14:35:25

Lloyd I want to thank you for your advice regarding the vibration machines.  I live in the States about 100 miles from PhiladelphiaUpon your recommendation, I purchased a Nitrofit Deluxe for my clinic.  It has been in service now for 21 months with no problems.  I know there even have been a few instances that my staff has put patients on it that exceed the weight limit.

I also bought a BodyShaker Pro and have it in service for 15 months.  The BodyShaker arrived with a damaged adjustable foot.  Martin replaced the part at no charge.  About a year into use, the rubber isolators were also bottoming out.  I think mainly because I put a patient on it that exceeded the weight limit, way over the weight limit.  He just found out that he is over 500 pounds.  Nonetheless, Martin also sent me a replacement set of rubber isolators at no charge.  In my view, BodyShaker far surpassed my expectations of standing by their product.

After about 1 year of working out on the machines I was tested on a high-end body composition analyzer, I had 15% more muscle mass than average for my sex, weight, and age.

The two machines have been a very useful adjuct to my chiropractic practice.

I would also like to thank Philippa Church for her guidance she has given me before I purchased the BodyShaker.

I would definitely recommend these two products.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-16 12:03:11
I wonder if Power Plate actually give people a script to follow once they realize they have been ripped off, and want to sell it on to some other sucker... 
 
 different sales up today on TradeMe...
 
"only reason for selling is because i don't have the space for it. "
 
" new home does not have the space!"
 
 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-09-11 12:29:53

To clarify the post below:  A few nuts is NOT a meal

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2012-09-11 10:59:47

Reminder to Instructors – If you are training people on High Energy Lineal Machines, such as Vibra-Train and BodyShaker, it is essential – Rule Number 1 – that your clients eat before they train.

Note:  Eat means – a complete meal around an hour before the session OR foods that rapidly raise the blood sugar such as a banana, even a few squares of chocolate just before training.

Ask  your clients “what did you eat?”  – not  “have you had something to eat?”

Refusal to eat adequately = no training session.  Be very strict on this.

At Vibra-Train studios you will be praised, never reprimanded, if you send a customer away because they haven’t eaten.  Many studios have cafes nearby so it’s the customer’s choice to get some food and come back later, or not.

Not eating before training can mean a client becomes hypoglycaemic during or after the session.  This can mean just a little lightheaded and needing rest, some people totally pass out and this happens without warning.  Also consider that many people jump into their car and head off to work or home immediately after their session; if their blood sugar is still dropping they could suddenly feel very unwell.

Even after eating well some people feel a little dizzy during or after training; especially after their first session which can be a lot more intense than expected.   Keep some glucose sweets or barley sugars behind the front desk and offer these. They are also useful during the session for people who have felt unwell previously or whom you believe have not eaten adequately.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-08 01:22:42
Not advised if you are following a real training program..
 
 
Bk Posted On:2012-09-07 21:45:28

Lloyd,

Is it ok if I do vibration training workout 4 or 5 days straight and then rest 2 or 3 days straight?

Thank you in advance.

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-07 18:05:25
It really does not help when idiots who obviously lack critical thinking processes get involved in studies.
 
Classic example is the study John is referring to....  
 
 
Why do they insist on calling everything done a machine, no matter what the position " vibration exercise"
 
What they cant work out the notion of Physio Vs Training ?
 
 
John Posted On:2012-09-07 03:06:45

Probably around 5 years ago now I was speaking on the phone with a professor at the U of Oklahoma who had sent me a review article on vibration studies.  I thanked the professor for emailing me the article but then told him the article did not differentiate between the different platforms used in the studies.  The professor said "so the type of plaform or vibration device could influence the results."  He agreed with me but it was the way he said it that made it almost "laughable" to me.  Just think - these "expert researchers" in their "peer-reviewed" review article grouped all the studies together - no matter which or what type of platform was used.  It is just bizarre.  And besides that many of the studies included in the "review article" did not even test the platforms to see if they performed as advertised under loads before doing the "research."  And these folks are PhD "research scientists" and it gets published as a review on the topic of vibration in a "peer-reviewed" journal.

John T. Weatherly

 
John Posted On:2012-09-07 01:08:20

The platforms obviously make a huge difference.  I just saw a study by Elmantaser et al. published in the Sept 2012 J. Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact that was 16 weeks long and used men with an average of 33 years of age as subjects.  The study looked at Galileo vs Juvent and the Galileo group showed significant increases in GH, decreases in cortisol and bone resorption.  This is one of the very few studies I have seen comparing platforms directly.

John T. Weatherly
 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-06 00:13:08

I put up this vid  2 years ago.....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpBDfPno7fc&list=UUdr50aEfipyQmlfzBouM7jg&index=12&feature=plcp

Lots of visits from engineers and my competition, but so far nothing .

 

How am I to release my new machines, if no one has copied my old ones yet. 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2012-09-05 21:37:53
Yes. Lots of pretenders and / or dishonest people involved at all levels of our industry. Let them have their false glory or ill gotten gains for now.    
 
Great thing about time, is it strips and crumbles all castles built on sand.   
 
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