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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 21:20:09
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I am only the best because I do not take an "experts" word when they say something cant be done.
To me that has always just sounded like an excuse because they either have a limited imagination, not smart enough, or are simply too lazy to try and do better. Some are genuinely arrogant enough though to think they are already the best. And they are the ones who really hate anyone proving them wrong by daring to be better.
I broke all the rules in embalming to do cases that previously were thought impossible. And I developed my own fluids and techniques when what was being sold was sub standard. I just applied the same principles to this industry.
"If you want to be as good as your teacher, you are not aiming high enough " ......... by Me
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 19:38:17
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You mention Lloyd being a mortician. I have been in the studio when other morticians have been in visiting Lloyd. They have all said Lloyd is the best mortician they have ever seen. And he is asked to train up other morticians constantly. These are his competitors in the workforce.
I have also been in the studio when other vibration training company engineers have come to test out Lloyds designs. Again all have said they are the best they have seen.
What are you going to say to that ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 19:16:00
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A few points....
(1) By your reasoning. Crazy-Fit are actually the world leaders. They have outsold everyone. And their product ( under different names ) have been put into "pop up studios" globally.
Of course they all close just as fast.
They use fake specs, lie about where the machines are made, use fake Drs endorsements etc.... just like Power Plate. Maybe that to you is success. It is just not what I am personally aiming for.
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" Vibra-Train is the largest vibration studio network in the world, that’s simple not true.
Vibrogym: More then 60 “pure” vibration training studios and over 130 “mixed” studios worldwide.
Power Plate: More then 100 Power Plate Microstudios (min. 4 machines) in Germany alone + Power Plates in Spas, Gyms, Hotels + Power Plate Center in more then 100 countries."
Power Plate no longer have any kind of franchise, network or license model. Mine is still intact. When I collapsed the franchise model in N.Z. they were told by their lawyers to not risk it again.
It is far better for them to target the weak and keep them separated, rather than risk a joint legal claim against them.
(3) You mean Polimp Limited, the Food Broker?
No. Like your own research states. I personally liquidated Power Plate NZ. As I had promised I would if they continued to be dishonest. Power Plate Int supported them with lawyers and dictated to them how to take me on. The president of PP Int came to NZ to oversee the whole thing.
(4) Now to this great comment.
" you are a mortician " Yes just a mortician.
Which brings us to a very important question. How did Power Plate, with all their experts, teams of engineers and lawyers. Manage to fail at everything they try to do and actually release crappier machines each year. And even lose their own master studios ?
But I succeeded in my spare time.
Isn't that just plain embarrassing ?
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 13:37:05
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You listed the qualities of a leader. For Lloyd Shaw, I ticked off all the boxes. A leader can be confrontational even, as long as he’s right there working in his business – leading the way.
I have seen other company CEO’s visit Lloyd asking for advice. They even send him prototypes of machines to access and redesign if needed. Some, all the way from Europe. Even Power Plate people themselves flew in to meet with Lloyd only a couple of years ago for advice.
So maybe you don’t respect him. But others obviously do.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 12:36:50
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You are losing your own online argument – you really need to back up your statements, not just make quotes or lists.
You said: “Save your time and save your energy, we all know the outcome of your research about the other studios worldwide”
I did look up a some of them - today they don’t exist/closed down; or they are fitness studios with a vibration machine; or they still exist but don’t list vibration training on their website; or – in the case of Mums-ercise Brisbane, their website “about us” says this:
“At the start of 2007 we added ‘Vibration Training’ classes to our repertoire”
You said: “PowerPlate have over 100 micro studios in Germany alone ... etc”
You didn’t say when – so am I to read that these studios are operational today? That’s a bit strange as I know all the Power Plate studios that have opened up have later closed down.
We are talking about dedicated training studios – compare with Vibra-Train where the oldest studios are still in business providing Vibration Training – open today!
Here’s a point: A client of mine (who needs vibration training as an ongoing therapy as well as a training tool) is going to Capetown this week, to see his family and will be away for 6 weeks. He asked me to find him a Vibration Studio. I told him, no problem, there’s a Vibrogym studio, I’ll find the address and you can see if it’s a location you can get to. Well, maybe it still exists, I can’t say for sure that it doesn’t, but I couldn’t find it online anymore.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-28 11:42:08
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Let’s talk about integrity here
Why don’t you use your real name in your posts?
And why hide behind a proxy IP?
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COM:8080 |
Posted On:2012-11-28 10:04:11
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You mean Polimp Limited, the Food Broker? Polimp Limited, one of this many companies owned by Krystyna Wardas?
And after opening the “very first vibration studio in the world” you “killed” your former employer?
But unfortunately you have not dismantled them globally after five years time – that has to be the mission of your life.
Court liquidation: Power Plate NZ wound up
Company: Power Plate NZ Ltd
Directors: Krystyna Wardas, Meadowbank
Liquidation: 12 November 2007, Rotorua
Applicant for court-ordered liquidation: Lloyd Shaw
Liquidators: Dennis Parsons & Katherine Kenealy (Indepth Forensic Ltd, Hamilton)
Creditors’ claims: Lloyd Shaw
Other details: Ms Wardas is a director of Accelerate Studios Ltd, Polimp Ltd & Power Syndicate Ltd, and a former director of Vibe Exercise Ltd. Mr Shaw describes himself on the web forum of his new company, Vibra-Train Ltd, as a mortician who ran Power Plate NZ until he left in disgust. He set up Vibra-Train in 2004. Mr Shaw wrote on his forum when this liquidation application was notified in October: “This kind of action in & out of court will continue until PowerPlate has either (a) apologised for its past behaviour and negotiates a settlement” for practices Mr Shaw alleged it had undertaken and “(b) is dismantled globally. I will do what it takes to give our industry an example of how not to act and what not to do.” Power Plate NZ offered some training equipment online. However the http://nz.powerplate.com web address is owned by Power Plate International Ltd, of the UK, and refers to its subsidiary, Power Point Trading Ltd, incorporated on 11 July, as national distributor for Power Plate fitness equipment.
Websites: NZ PowerPlate
Save your time and save your energy, we all know the outcome of your research about the other studios worldwide.
As I read before: Vibra-Train is the largest vibration studio network in the world, that’s simple not true.
Vibrogym: More then 60 “pure” vibration training studios and over 130 “mixed” studios worldwide.
Power Plate: More then 100 Power Plate Microstudios (min. 4 machines) in Germany alone + Power Plates in Spas, Gyms, Hotels + Power Plate Center in more then 100 countries.
Maybe your machines are the best, but the concept from the competitors (the dust under your feet) is more successful?
YES, you have destroyed all your competitors her in New Zealand, but you will be never the leader in that industry.
“An effective leader is a person with a passion for a cause that is larger than they are. Someone with a dream and a vision that will better society, or at least, some portion of it. I think a very key question has to be answered: Can someone who is a charismatic leader, but only to do evil or to promote herself, be a leader -- especially if she has a large following?” I would say no, she is a manipulator.” “Leaders must have the ability to act in an interpersonally competent manner, yet they also need to learn the techniques of good listening, honest and open communication, delegating, conflict resolution skills, etc., to actually get work done and keep the whole movement/organization/project together.” Sandra Larsen
A leader is one who knows the way goes the way and shows the way. You are not a leader, you are a mortician – that’s true.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 01:56:57
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I would like to make it clear. A Vibration Training studio is not a place where Vibration Training equipment is added to an already existing business. It is place where that is your core business model.
Now lets play this game.
Lets do some research on the studios from your little line up. How much they were charging and what programs they were doing. And we will also see who managed to stay open and how long for.
Compared to me that is.
You want to take a bet on the outcome ? Or you want to change subjects again ?
Too late. I am publishing the outcomes tomorrow anyway.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-28 01:44:05
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Yes I opened the first Vibration Training studio / showroom in early 2003. Using the original Power Plate steel machines ( I still have these and they work fine ) . It was opened under the company name Polimp Ltd. ( look it up ) Later changed to Power Plate NZ after the legal agreement came through in 2004. We started the refurbishment and signed the lease in 2002.
This was after I had a disagreement with PP Head Office in Holland in late 2002 that the idea could even work. They just wanted to sell to gyms.
In 2002, Kevin Barclay-Webb ,( Power Plates top salesperson ) had already put machines in The Fitness Lounge in London, but had failed to get regular users onto the product. My opinion was because of the conflict of interest between the personal trainers who saw VT as a threat.
After 3 months of me being busy. And reviewing my numbers. Power Plate funny enough changed their mind and started selling the idea to other people. And drawing up franchise plans.
Note: I had actually looked at the technology in 2001. But saw no way of getting it to NZ with support. Back then Power Plate did not even have a website. So seemed to lack international intentions.
It actually took them until 2006 to launch an English language site.
PowerPlate.com
Was owned by a "Software for the
Metal Finishing Industry" company before that.
Check on it if you like.
You want to play some more ?
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COM:8080 |
Posted On:2012-11-27 23:16:25
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How has opened the first vibration training studio in the WORLD???
Openings February 2003: Vibration-Studio Wiesental / CH, Power Plate Studio Istanbul, Power Plate Studio Bourg en Dresse / FR, Power Plate Studio Gex / FR, Power Plate Studio Zlin / CZ, Power Plate Studio Karlsruhe / DE, Fit3 Studio Wilen, B4U Fitness Amsterdam / NL
Opening August 2003: Vibration-Studio Wettingen / CH
Openings October 2003: Vital Performance Michigan, Power Plate Studio Pomano Beach Florida,
Opening November 2003: Power Plate Studio Silownira / PL
Opening December 2003: Power Plate Studio Ankara
Openings April 2004:
Mums-ercise Brisbane, Spin Doctor NY, Slim Jims London, Fitnesswelt Krefeld / DE,
Opening August 2004:
Good Vibration Langenselbold / DE
03.04.2004: Incorporation Date, Power Plate New Zealand Limited
15.07.2004: Incorporation Date, Vibra-Train Limited
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 20:03:57
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Interesting fact...
I had a number of face to face meetings with people who were looking at setting up studios a few years back. Many were shopping around different companies.
Some went with Power Plate. Even after they were shown evidence things were not as they appeared. And I even gave them the names of other brands I trusted so they knew I was not being anti-competitive..
Seriously. I could not have been more honest or helpful.
When everything I predicted came true, and the penny had dropped they had indeed been ripped off. Their franchises where worthless and the machines falling to pieces. And with Power Plate refusing to answer emails.
Guess who they called and asked for advice ???
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 19:28:37
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No. I judge people by their actions. I publically predicted certain people would be dishonest, and I was spot on each time.
Here are two sayings I like....
" If you don't have any enemies, you are not trying hard enough "
" Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas "
Here is a point you will not like. I put up the worlds first studio. Everyone entering that market is following my lead, correct ? Then why would they not also take my warnings, predictions and experiences seriously. I mean I did publish them for that reason.
Assuming these people have access to the internet, simple due diligence would have raised some red flags about certain companies and machines.
My opinion is if they ignored these warning signs, then it is because they have similar lack of values to those companies. Those lack of values seem to always hurt the consumer. So it is in the real industries best interests they are stopped.
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.com |
Posted On:2012-11-27 17:43:12
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Lloyd why you judge so quickly over others? Are you a magician and can you read minds? You should never underestimate others.
"Blessed are those who having nothing to say and keep their mouth shut." (Oscar Wilde).
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 17:30:17
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Tammy...
No comparison. Wave wins hands down on performance and ergonomics.
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Tammy |
Posted On:2012-11-27 16:34:14
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Lloyd,
Another question from a very grateful consumer who has been able to learn TONS from this site:
From a strictly training point of view, which do you think would be better - a Wave Contour Plus or a Vitality 1200 "Jet Vibe"?
I am leaning towards the Wave simply because it is new and under warranty whereas the Vitality 1200 is used and without local support.
Thanks again for all your help!
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 15:15:21
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" but our group of students got this and other papers from Jackie."
But Jackie did not know what website the paper was on. You are taking advice from someone lacking basic comprehension skills. That is not a good idea.
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The info on that paper was a small sample of what was recorded. The data that was mined is massive. ( 3000 comments over 54 topic over a 3 year span )
It included some of the following.....
Consumer Engagement
Medical conditions discussed
Sales
After sales support.
Warranty issues ( we managed to get someone a refund for an entire studio ) .
Support in setting up studios globally
Shipping and tax issues.
Logistics
Noise and vibration issues solved.
Consumer protection ( fake equipment and exposing fraudulent companies )
Financial transactions
Insurance issues
Arrangement of trainers sent overseas to help launch studios
Con artists exposed and put out of business in a number of countries ( we even managed to track one guy down and get him arrested )
Entire conversations were recorded that went from initial basic consumer questions and contact, all the way through to setting up a business. All done openly online.
And we even managed to attract academics, scientists, Doctors and Physios to engage us online. ( it is actually how Dr Marco Cardinale found out Power Plate was using his name on their fake medical advisory board )
Quite simply I proved we can influence an entire industry with enough dedication. The website you are on now, is just a tidier version of that basic idea. Still years away from completion. But by the time I have finished , a full library on info will be available and all online enquiries will lead to our work.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 13:03:05
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Why be sorry for me.
Not many peoples work gets mentioned in research papers. Let alone gets introduced in a ciriculum at University level. They have gotten me to lecture there a number of times now. And a book based on that work is apparently going to be released.
Maybe you should be sorry for those who will never do anything worth writing about.
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.com |
Posted On:2012-11-27 08:46:43
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I'm sorry for you, but our group of students got this and other papers from Jackie.
And we know that you have the control over this forum. ;o)
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-27 00:15:37
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Thankyou .com
But I do not think Jackie will read that paper. Or even understand what that experiment was all about.
But here are a few points...
(1) We took that website to #1 in every country on Google. Without the help of dodgy SEOs or other ranking tricks. Just good old fashioned hard work answering thousands of questions. Day after day. For free.
And we never had to lie or deceive anyone. Even once.
(2) It was destroyed by a marketer who objected to warranty issues being openly discussed ( surprise, surprise ). The comments were censored, so we abandoned the site.
The amusing thing is. Jackie Lee is only getting to have her say because of my ethics. She is on my site, and I have complete control of the forum. If she was on any other site, run by any of the companies she "respects" she would have had every comment censored, and ISP banned, just for having an opposing opinion.
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.com |
Posted On:2012-11-26 22:38:26
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http://staff.business.auckland.ac.nz/DesktopModules/StaffProfiles/Publications/8857.pdf
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-26 21:35:07
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A researcher who makes assumptions instead of asking questions
Then gets it wrong - we’re seen this all before
A researcher who choses not to meet and personally interview the foremost person in New Zealand, in the industry they are researching
Says it all, doesn’t it!
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-26 21:17:35
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Jackie Lee...
( no questions, just comments. As asking you questions is a futile waste of our time. You dodge them like a snake )
(1) " Only 6 members create the bulk of the conversation "
They were not discussing this forum or website. Cant you read ??
(2) " People, who are eager to talk to all competitors bad "
Really ? Did you do any actual research on this statement. Or did you just pull that out of thin air. I have written multiple positive reviews and given sales to "decent and honest" companies over the years.
Now you either don't know that, because you cant use the internet properly. Or you cant comprehend my actions, so your brain has shut down.
(3) Don’t you think that every New Zealander is mature enough to make his own decisions?
Not when they are being lied to by very dishonest crafty people. That is how scammers work. They pray on the ill educated.
I suspect you are one of those people.
Hint; Start with researching the word research.
(4) " You are so proud that there are no studios here in New Zealand "
You mean all the dishonest people are gone. Too right I am. I want to be a part of an industry I am proud of, not ashamed of.
It is no different to when the car import industry found some salespeople were winding odometers back. They were tossed out and blacklisted. And it made the industry better and improved consumer confidence.
(5) " why are there so few Vibra-Train Studios? "
Have you heard of such a thing as organic growth. As opposed to an artificial tipping point. Too many players in the market were not a good thing. Because most were not up to the challenge of creating an industry and surviving the recession at the same time.
Rome was not built in a day Jackie.
(6) And when the machines in the other studios are broken again and again and/or the training does not bring success, people will probably go to Vibra-Train
Yes they will. I predicted they would, and it is inevitable. But that is not exactly my fault is it. I did warn them not to compromise on quality. But greed stopped them from listening
And it does not help the customers who in the mean time are charged outlandish sums to use sub standard equipment that can not get the results promised. Or get ripped of when a studio closes with no warning.
(7) You say that the studio owner and personal trainer of all your competitors are just greedy for the money of the customers - how do you know that?
No there were some genuine cases of people being scammed. But most knew or soon found out something was not right with the companies they had chosen to deal with. At that point most honest people would stop dealing with them. After all they had other options.
But the fact is, a lot of owners and trainers "sold out" our industry in the hopes of easy money.
If you know of any that feel hard done by. I will happily give them a few simple questions to answer. And if they don't lie, I will change my mind. But in my experience to date. That is highly unlikely .
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Jackie Lee |
Posted On:2012-11-26 19:25:37
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Lloyd, it is pointless to discuss with you. In your mind you are THE God of vibration training - worldwide. I did a lot of research - even in this forum. I read your posts on your website and I was amused how you evaluated the article from Auckland Business University. The article was exclusively about the users and the dynamic of this forum here and I found the summary of the authors very amusing – the forum is just too insignificant. Only 6 members create the bulk of the conversation, today it seems to me that there are 3 left only. In my work I am researching on the spot: in gyms, in spas, at Vibra-Train, at Power Plate, in hotels, in restaurants. Initially I was also very keen to meet with you personally, but after watching some of your videos that interest is extinguished.
You asked me why studios in other countries (in which you have no control) had to close. Why have restaurants, shops, gyms to close sometimes? Why do companies go bankrupt? Usually there are a few points: too many fixed costs, too many bad managers, not enough demand, too little and poor marketing. And if there is inadequate equipment t, then it goes downhill pretty fast. Two things are important: passion for the business and a good business plan. And it also takes a little luck. And what it needs the very least: people like you. People, who are eager to talk to all competitors bad. If only all the poor competitors in your country (and overseas) were forced to close their studios, you've got won. So what do you want? You're making a big mistake: If you call all customers stupid, who believe in vibration training, but not train in a Vibra-Train studio, you harm the industry. Don’t you think that every New Zealander is mature enough to make his own decisions? And when the machines in the other studios are broken again and again and/or the training does not bring success, people will probably go to Vibra-Train. You say that the studio owner and personal trainer of all your competitors are just greedy for the money of the customers - how do you know that? You are so proud that there are no studios here in New Zealand because all were forced to close due to loss of material and greed. Which owners and personal trainers do you have in mind? Why didn’t you used your chance in the last few years and have benefited from the demise of the others - why are there so few Vibra-Train Studios? From your concept, there is space in New Zealand for 45 Studios, why are there only 15? Maybe you'll be surprised, but I have approved 2 of the 3 business loan applications, which I got. But unfortunately in the end, no candidate could open a Vibration Training studio. It did not fail to passion or money, maybe you know the reason.
I finished my research for vibration training now. So please don’t ask any further questions ;-)
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-11-26 15:26:29
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Jackie
Lloyd has no major influence in other countries so how is it that studios that were owned by “leaders” in Vibration Training have closed their doors? Please answer this.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-26 15:15:05
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Jackie Lee.....
I want you to digest something. And maybe actually do some research yourself. As opposed to listening to others bemoan my actions because they have failed.
VIBEX was a franchise system that got all the boxes ticked by all the "experts" . It even won a franchise of the year award. Was affiliated to all the right groups. They left nothing to chance.
They were even backed publically by Fitness NZ. And got free plugs in national fitness magazines.( It helped of course that the owner was a board member of Fitness NZ. who I personally find morally bankrupt and will support anyone for a a few $$$ )
Note: This is the same person who I turned down when he tried to buy a couple of studios. Because I did not trust him.
What do you think was more important in the end. Having all the experts on side, or having a company leader who was honest and hard working ? Who was not going to jump on a plane at the first sign of trouble ?.
Another simple question......
Some of our self professed "industry leaders" could not keep their own studios open. In their own countries where I have no influence. I ask again. HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT ?
My guess is you wont even try to answer the question. Because the answer conflicts with your stance on the industry.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-26 12:54:22
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Tammy...
Yes you will get some training results on that unit.
A HyperVibe is a Pivotal machine. They feel very different to a Lineal unit. So my advice would be to try both types first. These things are like buying a car. Test drive first.
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Tammy |
Posted On:2012-11-26 11:00:01
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Lloyd,
Thanks for the feedback on the Vitality 1200. I have family members who would benefit from a therapy machine but I was also hoping that I would be able to train on it. Please let me know if you think it will function as a reasonable training machine at the higher settings. Or whether a HyperVibe or some other premium speed pivotal would be better for me for training.
Better yet, tell me that you are in discussions with someone who plans to open a VibraTrain studio in Toronto, Canada.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-25 23:37:40
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Jackie Lee...
There are no guarantees in business. Anybody can fail for a number of reasons....
But that is not the same thing as being set up to fail. As Power Plate did to people. That is why they had a 100% fail rate.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-25 23:33:12
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Jackie Lee....
I tried to help other studios that had been left to fend for themselves. And guess who turned up at the meeting, but then refused to comment on broken machines. That's right. Power Plate.
When I cornered them on the issue. Right in front of everybody. They stormed out. That was their last chance as far as I was concerned. They are a lost cause.
Please explain how I have hurt the industry ( what by exposing some con artists ? )
And what you meant by this.....
" In this forum you complain again and again to people that others have led to bankruptcy. But on the other hand you choose people as new studio owners who have already led a company in the bankruptcy and with its many creditors "
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-11-25 23:24:30
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Dear Jackie Lee ....
This is the email I sent to all active studios / brands on 25/6/2009.
To whom it may concern,
I wish to invite you, as members of the Vibration Training industry here in N.Z. to an "informal" meeting at...
7 Pm Sun 28th June
Vibra-Trains R&D Head Studio
192 , Unit 7 . Victoria St West ( next to Les Mills )
Despite any past differences everyone is welcome, as I believe working together on certain issues could bring about positive changes for everybody. Please feel free to bring your own points to discuss , no subject is off limits.
The fact you are receiving this invite means you are a part of the "real" industry, have not bolted just because thing have "gotten a little tough", and you believe this form of Training and Therapy will become mainstream in time.
The points I wish to discuss...
(1) Staff Training and Safety
(2) Active Industry support
(3) Joint marketing
(4) Tackling our detractors
(5) How to differentiate the Commercial brands from the Warehouse and Trade-Me machines
(6) Health And Fitness industries perception of Vibration Training
(7) Warranty issues.
As I have said I believe we all have the same frustrations at times and common ground should be found so we can move in one direction on some of these issues.
Note: I will be the only person there representing my company, so it will be just a small group of the decision makers ( though you are welcome to bring your staff if you wish )
RSVP to this E-Mail address.
Kind regards Lloyd Shaw 09 309 6874
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