Lloyd thanks for your site, i read every page and its really helpful.

Few weeks ago I bought one of those lineal machine, a used one honestly, thats called turbosonic ovation.

A thing that i really dont understand is that they published on turbosonicusa site a list of frequencies where the instruments registered the maximum amount of EMGRMS. Looking at that table seems that the best results are using frequencies between 8 to 11hz, what do you think about

Another thing is, do you think that if i follow your excercise on this machine, sorry i cant buy another one even if the vibratrain si better, can i get some results    and in case what frequencies and for how long do you think i have to held the pose

Hi, The vibration machines are new to me and i would like to be able to use one at home daily im my own time. I was thinking about buying a VIBRODISC. Are these any good are they affective for toning and to shift cellulite or am I throwing my money away. If they are no good, what is the est home machine not to expensive to buy, but still effective.

Many thanks Jo

So if you saw a used but working HyperGravity on the market, you wouldn't be tempted?

So what you are saying is that none of the machines available in the US compare to those listed which are pretty much just European models not available (at least not at reasonable cost) in the US? None of the Waves even the high end Pro Elite compares to the Body Shaker or Vibrogym? The Contour Plus is also stainless steel - not sure about the web stiffening? It does have a thin rubber mat built in that I imagine damps the vibrations a bit. Should I remove the mat?
(I've been following the IVTRB program strictly since I'd guess October or early November. Ever since I sent you the video, Di. I've just cut back while trying to handle the TP problem. And I'm now using the blue mat also to try to prevent a repeat.)

Please note:  All the power and speed in the world is useless without control. Make sure your teens understand this.

Lloyd,

I have not tried the Powervibe models but if I refer to the section on machine reviews, the shape of their machines fit more with the low speed pivotal / lineal, hence my comment. I know the Hypervibe is considered High speed for the pivotal. I am very confused on which of the 2 is best for our family since we have different needs.  this is also why I was inquiring about the 3 in 1 such as VMax Trio or VT400. I'd appreciate any input on this subject. I just don't want to get the wrong machine at this point and where I live there is virtually no VT. I will be trying the Hypervibe Performance shortly and am really looking foward to it but wanted to get the feel for a lineal machine also. Thanks.

Di Heap,

Thanks for all your advices. I haven't tried any lineal yet but will try to. I am in an area where there is very little or none vibration training. There are some machine in hospital which you cannot get access to and are more used for therapeutic usage. Though, I have contacted the rep. for Hypervibe and I can try it in Ottawa which is 1.5 hr drive from Montreal. Would this machine, which is pivotal be a good choice for my family ...question mark.. I was also told I could try a PowerVibe in my area. They have both pivotal and lineal models but I am unsure of the quality of their machines as they look to me more like the Chinese imports. Have you heard of them..

Thanks again.

Thanks Di, you preceeded me while I was still typing my answer :) 

Mike M.

I have never tried the Wave Contour Plus, so I must turn your question to Lloyd as he knows both machines very well and can give you a better feedback than me. About my workout, I kept strict poses through all the safety program and alternated low and high amplitude. A few times I repeated the program when I felt I needed it, but most of the times one round is good enough for me. It is incredible to notice that after the quite long period of constant training, now I get challenged even using the lowest frequencies even in low amplitude. The explosiveness that I gained is evident when I jump, because now I can do it quicker and stay longer in the air.   

Mike M

Any Vibration of the handlebars is transferred incidentally from the platform, it’s not deliberate like a Vibra-Train (the only machine in the world with side vibrating handlebars).

The VibroGym Professional is a higher energy platform than the Wave Contour Plus. But, what program are you using? Is it the IVTRB Safety Program or have you mixed it up with other poses? And are you consistent with your training and particular about “perfect position”?

Hi Lysanne

Have you tried a Lineal (upright) vibration machine?  - See if you can find a PowerPlate, VibroGym, BodyGreen, TrueVibe or similar (especially as you used to teach PhysEd  you’ll understand  the difference in pivotal and lineal machines).  Also trial a HyperVibe Pivotal machine if you can.

Only then can you decide which type you prefer and we can better advise you.

Your husband has a bad lower back? Anything specific wrong with it? He’s out of shape – is he overweight?  This also determines what machine you can buy as many machines seriously degrade in performance over 175lbs /80Kg (some at much less )

When you trial machines get them to write down the specs of the machine, ask yourself when you try it if they seem correct – your body doesn’t lie.  Also take your husband, it’s important he tries them too and that he is shown safe positions.

For your teens to build muscle strength you need a machine that has some real force. They’d be best with a lineal platform (VibroGym Professional or TrueVibe), in my opinion but your husband might be better with a pivotal machine.  We can help you with the program once you’ve decided on a machine.

Come back with any more questions when you are ready so we can make a shortlist

Franco, do you think the Vibrogym is enough the better machine than the Wave Contour Plus to explain the difference in your result and mine? I have been doing the same program for probably 3 months out of the 5 or so I've had the Wave but lately have cut back while the trigger point problem slowly subsides in my legs. But I have not noticed any gain in explosiveness or vertical lift at all.

Also I have noticed that the handle on the Wave vibrates somewhat. Is it anywhere close to what might be useful for the arms, or is it just incidental?

Hello Lloyd and all contributors.

This site has tons of valuable information. Thank you so much, it is very appreciated and can almost overwhelming at time.

As many before me, I would like to purchase a vibration machine. I live in Quebec, Canada where I have not yet found any studio nearby that offer vibration training. That said, I have tried a pivotal machine, the Viba, at a trade show and was immediatly taken by the sensation in my muscles and have been researching VT since. I have a hard time deciding if I should go with a pivotal or a lineal. My husband has a bad lower back and is somewhat out of shape. I have 2 teeangers eager to train and build muscle tone and as well as general fitness. I have osteoporosis and am in good physical shape looking for general good health, loose weight and improve bone density. I use to teach Phys Ed so following a good protocol of training is important to me.  My budget unfortunately is a max of 2000 dollars. Do you have any suggestions for me as most machines you recommend and I understand why, are all above what I can pay. 

Also, I have not seen any info concerning the new or maybe not...3 in 1 machine such as VMax Trio or the Vibra Trim VT400. I would like to know what you think of these since they both sell at 1999 dollars.

Any comments would really be appreciated. Thank you.

Hi Lloyd,

As I mentioned on my blog in response to your comment, to clarify, my post was by no means intended to market or sell the equipment I discussed. It was simply to give a review of a class I have been participating in. I am not an expert on vibration training and all information that I posted was based on what has been claimed by Flexi-Sports, the makers of the equipment I talked about. If you are concerned about false marketing claims, I would recommend getting in touch with them rather than accusing me of trying to pass "a stick"off as vibration training.

Great job Lloyd, you are in excellent shape!! I can't wait to see the results of your report.

I will look forward to the publication.  Dr. Bill Sands, who used to be with the USOC, had an interesting article published for the NSCA in their NSCA Connect email message.  The article is about how coaches argue over which program is best - their own or one designed by somebody else etc.  Sands even stated in the article there is a scarcity of evidence on transfer of training to actual sports performance for athletes.  If this is not evidence that so-called sports science basically does not exist - at least here in the U.S. - then I do not know what is.  Sands stated artificial lab and performance tests often have little or no relation to sports performance.  Since transfer of training to improved sports performance is the main thing for athletes - it is interesting to have a former USOC Sport Scientist write an article saying there is very little evidence for certain training programs having a high transfer to actual performance in sports.  Considering how many hours athletes train, the idea of training - I would hope - is that it will transfer to improved performance in the sport.  It leads me to wonder how inefficient many training programs could be for improving specific sports performance.  Improved sports performance is the best test.  The only way to test if vibration only training on high quality equipment improves sport performance would be to have athletes in a specific sport train with either vibration only and practice of their sport and compare it to another group that does conventional resistance training, plyos, etc  along with their sport practice.  Certain sports activities such as pitching a baseball do not require a lot of 1RM strength - a baseball only weighs 5-5 and a quarter ounces.  Perhaps baseball pitchers, for example, could save a lot of time by using vibration training - eliminating conventional resistance training - and just practicing the sport, concentrating on sleep and recovery etc.  Nobody really knows what is best for these types of athletes.  It is guessing as the Sands article more or less just came out and stated.

John T. Weatherly