Also just to make sure readers of this forum know – Lloyd Shaw does not sell home Vibration Machines. I do not currently sell any Vibration machines. I don’t get any “kickback” or reward for recommending any brand. On this forum we prefer not to recommend a brand or specific machine but to give information that helps people choose what is best for them, given their health and fitness status, the results they want to see, and the money they have to spend.

To all - When buying a machine for home use please ask the salesperson, “Do you use this machine yourself?” You’ll find most are just marketers who wouldn’t dream of using the cheap machines they sell because they know they don’t work for fitness. The salesguy might look good but he probably spends hours in the gym or uses a much higher quality vibration machine.

I could have made a lot of money selling cheap, almost useless machines because despite writing many articles on my website, www.vibeplus.com explaining why you shouldn’t buy a cheap, pivotal machine and expect great fitness results, I get emails and website questions asking me where to buy one or to send information about buying one from me.

It makes me angry to see people get ripped  off - “If the picture of one brand of machine looks identical to the picture of another brand of machine … it is the same - just rebranded”

Or to quote from Lloyd Shaw’s article: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/why-is-buying-a-vibration-platform-just-like-buying-a-vehicle

If it looks like a Skateboard , it’s a Skateboard.
If it looks like a Truck , it’s a Truck - Now to the question again, "Why cant I buy a great Truck for only $1000 ? "

Thanks Di Heap.

Cynthia

Yes, that machine is on the blacklist for a reason

Read this: http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/general-consumer-warning-about-cheap-pivotals

Lloyd, cynthia again.

This is in the black list http://www.vibra-trim.net/VT100.html

Thanks

rsk

Take it easy when you start using the HyperVibe pivotal platform. I experienced muscle pain from overdoing it when I was given a one session trial of this machine. This was because I was doing a lot of movement – regular exercises while using the machine. I suggest you start with some simple static semi-squat poses and get used to the motion at first. You should receive a DVD or program booklet but my advice is to take it easy at first.

Thank you very much Lloyd, I will contact them. 

Keep in touch.

Regards

Cynthia

Ok Lloyd I understand. So I will be waiting for you to give me any suppliers of faster speed Pivotal in USA.

Thanks again.

Regards. Cynthia

Lloyd, this is Cynthia again,

I received an email answered one of my question and it said

Hello Cynthia,

For muscle mass, I would recommend the Vibra-Pro 5500. You can find more information here :
http://www.slimvibes.com/compare.html

What do you think about this machine.

Thank you so much

Thank you again Lloyd, that will help me a lot.

My question is if the faster speed Pivotal will work for what I want or need.

Or the good quality Lineal unit or nothing. Because I dont have that money. You can understand what i want to tell you. I dont want to spend 800 for something that doesnt work for me... I dont know if in this is the better or nothing.

Hope you can understand my english.

Thanks again. Waiting for your answer.

Best regards

Un beso. Cynthia

Hi Lloyd, thanks for your quit answer.

Yes, I read it. But I couldnt understand perfectly the differences between lineal energy from Pivotal speed. What I need is to strengthen my muscles. I do wakeboarding and i had several ACL surgeries. I think 2000 or less, if it is possible.

Thank so much.

Best regards

Cynthia

Hello, my name is Cynthia, I live in Miami. I have been reading about vibro training for one or two weeks. I started because a person that i knew in my husband job told me about that. She told me that is very good for increase the muscle mass, that what i need. But the more I read the more I confused. I would like to buy one for my home, but I dont have any idea. My english is no perfect,  i am from argentina,  that makes more difficult to understand. 

I read that rsk put some links but nobody responded.

PLEASE, I NEED THAT SOMEONE TELL ME WHICH MACHINE I HAVE TO BUY.

Thanks.

Waiting for a response. Regards

Thanks again everyone. Though HyperVibe is more expensive than what I can afford, I do want to get a good machine that will last for a long time and serve the purpose. Do any of you know where in Toronto I can rent a HyperVibe for a couple of weeks before I buy it out. It would help to try it for a couple of weeks and see what it does for me rather than trying it just once during a demo. 

Thanks 

rsk

Here’s a warning to the whole Vibration Training industry.  It’s someone’s personal blog explaining through the consumer’s eyes what has happened to commercial studios in New Zealand.

The funny thing is what they say happened is exactly the predictions that Lloyd made years ago – that studios had to have commercial machines and strict safety programs that everyone can learn Or they’d go out of business.

“Vibration training has been around for a while now and a while back when it was a fad in Auckland there were studios sprouting up all over the place. Most of them were rubbish and have closed down but Vibratrain has stuck around.”

http://thehypenz.blogspot.com/2010/07/vvvvvvvvvvibratrain.html

Remember we were not just up against crap machines.  I saw Vibrogym set up in New Zealand and fall over just as fast because they didn’t offer the entire package.  As an instructor I now understand how important having everything in place is.

RSK...

We run a training studio in Newfoundland and we are currently using Wave Vibraflex or galileo and HyperVibe machines.  for the price HyperVibe is your best option.  It performs as well as our galileo at 4x the cost without the quality german construction.  it is a little more than you budgeted for but anything less would not give you the results you are looking for.  Any cheap machine found on the internet for less than 2000 dolars is false advertising as far as i am concerned.

rsk

Those two machines have completely different mechanism of design and movement so category isn’t the decisive factor.  You are asking for weight-loss (fat-loss) and muscle toning but without knowing more about you it’s impossible to make recommendation more than I’ve done. 

I suggest you contact Deb and Dan at hypervibe.ca  
They are experienced with Vibration Machines and could arrange for you to try both types. You can also email or phone Wave for info to compare.

Please read articles for more info: www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program

Thanks Deb and Di Heap.

Deb.. can you please let me know under which of the following category does HyperVibe and WAVE fall. Also pls suggest which of these 2 machines is best for weight loss and muscle toning.

rsk

We aren’t going to tell you exactly which brand or machine to buy but personally I would eliminate PowerPlate, VibraSlim and SlimVibes due to wrong specs and info attached to machines and their trading practices. For machine categories take a look at http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

You’ve listed two completely different modes of vibration machine – pivotal/see-saw (HyperVibe) and the others are lineal/upright vibration with a little difference again for the Wave.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/lineal-design-pivotal-design

Have you ever tried a Vibration Machine? You really need to trial the ones you have shortlisted before you buy.  The program followed is different for lineal versus pivotal machines and the feel of the machine is very different.  You might prefer one over the other.

Also the state of your current fitness and health can determine which machines to look at and how long the machine will work for you before you plateau (reach a point where your fitness has outgrown the machine’s design and ability to challenge you). This can happen with any home machine.

You also need to consider your home and where you are going to put the machine.  For a home machine to challenge an “average” person it needs to have some “oomph”. 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/your-home-machine-and-your-neighbours

Okay, now for myself I’d be looking at the HyperVibe (Pivotal Machine) or the Wave – for value for money ($2000US) and performance of the machine to give some of the results you’ve asked for.
Note:  this is my opinion only and might not be right for you –try before you buy or make sure the dealer will give you a trial period with right of return if the machine isn’t suitable.  Getting shown exactly how to use the machine is invaluable if possible. 

Keep reading the articles on this site and this forum

It good for women to really understand how hormonal changes affect muscle and fat and that affects weight.

I’m in the menopausal category and have maintained weight and muscle mass percentage over this year. As an instructor I feel frustrated that I haven’t lost much fat but just as Lloyd has explained – I’m doing great!

Very important for women of all ages to build good quality muscle; supports the skeleton and gives strength/fitness gains. And that bit of extra fat that some of us have – as long as it’s not too much -  it helps with production of estrogen which keeps us young = no wrinkles BUT that’s not an excuse ladies, you must strength train and the fastest, safest way is high-force, lineal Vibration Training http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews  

Vibration Training also helps maintain and even build Bone Density

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-and-bone-density

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-and-bone-density

Hi Lloyd  I have being training at a VibraTrain studio for the past year and feel as though it is not doing anything for me

I am going through the menopause at this present time does this have any bearing on my not being able to tone up

the only thing I have noticed is the front of my thighs near the knees is feeling slightly more toned but it seems that

the inside of my upper thighs is more flabby,  is there any position I can do to target the inner thigh area