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Please read through the articles that cover your questions, or topic of conversation before posting, as understanding the basics give the community a better chance of helping you.Please Note: Most of the frequently asked questions we have had over the years have their own article already.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-30 23:32:02
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Nicky.
I will call you tomorrow. Nice to get a response.
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Nicky |
Posted On:2012-05-30 22:30:08
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Hi I am answering to your thread on Trade Me for 10 Fibro Sufferers to come to the CBD
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-30 21:14:40
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A logical question regarding the new article.
A number of Vibration Training companies claim to sell "medical devices". But their machines can not accommodate the disabled, obese. or those carrying a range of injuries. So who exactly is meant to use it.
The average weighted healthy person ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-29 14:31:34
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Industry failing the Obese, Disabled and Health Professionals?
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John |
Posted On:2012-05-28 14:07:20
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This is phenomenal news from Lloyd. I agree that trust must lead the way. I also think it is great to name and shame publicly the con artists along with the "brought and paid for" researchers.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-27 11:16:29
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Flashback....
A selection of the 3000 consumer and industry peoples comments that were deleted by third parties, will be republished in article format. Unlike the academic paper and papers to come, all the names and brands will be published. Completely uncensored. With the most frequently asked questions and most controversial subjects getting their own article.
The great thing about this whole project is..
(a) The questions / situations are real. From real people. They are not "made up F&Qs from a marketing department. Some are questions no company seems to want to be asked.
(b) We can clearly show you, the consumer, why so much effort was put in to delete this work from the internet.
(c) No-one was forced to play a part. It is all voluntary behavior. With some amazing examples of genuinely well meaning people pitted against fakers and "get the sale at any cost" marketers. Like any industry it has a history. And this is part of ours.
(d) The industry is so young, we have the luxury of time to fix any of the damage that has been done. Some players will just become a bad memory while other have decided to move forward.
(e) The whole thing has been recorded by an unbiased third party for academic purposes. So it is going to be impossible to explain away by saying we are "anti-competitive" .
I truly believe the way to engage the consumer online in the future is through building trust. Which takes years of effort by highly passionate participants. Something dishonest or lazy people do not have the fortitude to do. No amount of "brought and paid for" researchers, Google optimization , celebrity endorsements, fake experts or flashy adverts will change that.
PS.......
It is funny to think our community was accused of not being professional, academic or smart enough from some parties who deemed themselves "experts". But our work and our ideas are now part of academia.
The beginning of the University News article states ' A hard-hitting paper on customer engagement......,"
"Hard hitting" is exactly what the world wants and needs. It is something our industry definitely needs to reach its potential. But not just hard hitting for the sake of it. It also needs solutions offered in the same breath.
Which is what we are all about.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-26 15:37:54
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Important Forum News....
The paper written on our online community work ( Online Consumer Engagement by Professor Rod Brodie, Linda Hollebeek, Biljana Juric and Ana Ilic ) has been shortlisted for an IBM award for the best article in the Journal of Services Research in 2012.
Our global work to form the IVTRB and its support network and directly engage the consumer will become more recognized as time goes by. And with it the people who made it happen. Ana Llic has been following all our work from day one, across 3 sites. A huge amount of data. And more work will be released on that in the future.
From our side this recognition will be used to warn the consumer about unethical / unsafe practices in our industry. From both manufacturers, marketers, academics and those who tried to delete our work for their own commercial interests.
I want both the positive and negative sides of this industry to be available for public discussion as part of online educational / engagement experience.
An important part of knowing who to trust in the online world .
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-24 21:45:01
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I do NOT recommend anyone copying the position that MikeM is using to give relief from piriformis or sciatic pain. Unless you are working with a Physical Therapist who recommends it - in my opinion the risks outweigh the benefits!
The IVTRB has given (free of charge) a SAFE, EFFECTIVE program that gives results of increased strength and more, along with dealing with many of the common body imbalances, and aches and pains. Here’s a link to a poster that shows the Safety Program. It’s essential to be in exact, perfect position and as simple as the poses look, they take some time to master (even in studios with an instructor) so follow the instructions carefully; getting someone to watch over you is helpful.
The Poster showing the Poses: http://www.vibeplus.com/2011/04/12/safety-program-for-use-with-lineal-vibration-machines/
Step by Step Instructions: http://howigetfit.com/2011/04/09/the-ivtrb-lineal-vibration-machine-safety-program/
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-24 19:17:31
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Mike M.
You are benefitting from the targeted vibration along with the stretch that you would do anyway. In my opinion, too much risk of twisting suddenly or moving in a jerking rather than smooth motion – but its working for you.
Do you do the Full Plank – exactly as the on the IVTRB poster? – I mean totally, exactly; not like on the floor with the arms flat and body over shoulders But with arms angled forward and up with fingers interlocked, body (plank) back with feet heels back ; underarm to body angle of 110 degrees
I started Vibration Training with piriformis syndrome/medial glutes injury that gave pain right down my whole leg to ankle, unable to sit in car for more than 10 mins, unable to sleep on that side. The Full Plank position, followed by the gentle forward stretch (with mat on platform), fixed it – it took a while, about 6 weeks which is quite long time but I’d had Osteopath and Physio treatment for a year with no real results. Very safe and very effective.
Now I do the Full Plank just once a week to stretch the glutes/hip area, and do the Mini- Plank (knees on floor,trunk stretched out) twice a week. The Mini-Plank is very effective at pulling the tummy in.
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Mike M. |
Posted On:2012-05-24 14:18:57
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I have recently discovered a new movement or position which has helped my back problem. I'll try to describe it as best I can. I think I saw a clip showing it on youtube but I can't seem to find it again so maybe I'm wrong. It is for anyone who (like me) has piriformis syndrome, sciatica, or other lower back problems caused by hamstring or hip problems. It is a variation on a stretch I used to do for it with some success but vibration seems to make it work so much better (for me) that the result has amazed me. Any way here goes:
Facing toward the vibration platform, turn right 90 degrees (to do the right hip). Cross the right leg in front of the left and rest it on the platform while standing on the floor with the left foot. Hold onto something to keep your balance. While the machine runs (I prefer a low speed on lineal like 30 Hz or the highest setting on a cheap pivotal) lean some weight onto the platform and bend both legs which is kind of a sideways lunge/squat (legs crossed). You will feel the right hip opening up with a good stretch in the hip and piriformis area. You may only be able to go down a few inches and you may only be able to rest the outer edge of your foot on the platform. This is a dynamic move - go up and down with it.
You can substitute the left side for right when you want to switch sides - turn left 90 degrees and cross the left leg in front of the right.
This move plus straight lunges has my back feeling the best it has in years.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-22 09:00:42
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Ward
A Vibration Training studio can request you ask your doctor to approve using the Vibration Machine. It is recommended to check with a medical person before beginning any new form of exercise.
Your doctor might not know much about Vibration exercise but he knows you, will check you are well, and can recommend light exercise or regular training.
The staff at the studio need to know about your current health – tell them if you are taking any medication to control epilepsy or if you are completely better. You haven’t told us your age, weight, current fitness level, any high or low blood pressure – the trainer will talk to you about all that.
It is unlikely that vibration would affect you – just a few people get headache or dizzy feeling. Make sure you eat before your session and also that you’ve had water/ adequate hydration. This gives you a raised level of blood sugar = energy for your workout, and helps prevent any dizzy feeling.
Once you have the doctor’s note if the studio accepts you, they will start you off gently and progress to harder exercise when you are used to the motion of the machines.
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ward |
Posted On:2012-05-22 08:10:45
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why if I suffered from epilepsy in the past ie last fit was at least 2005 I was told that I needed to get a doctors note to say that I can use the vibration plate can using the plate bring on an epileptic fit
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-21 22:03:01
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Flashback...
Someone asked me today if Power Plate really was as bad as I make out. Well here is a post from 2005 to show you the kind of thing I have witnessed.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: Power-Plates first real victim !!!
Power-Plate's first real victim.
Firstly i would like to send my sympathies to the poor woman who recently purchased a Power-Plate franchise in Royal Oak . After only 6 weeks of operation she is already gone. I have no idea how they talked her out of her money ( about 150k ) , but they did .
Now she is probably sitting at home wondering what went wrong while the Power-Plate owners are on an overseas holiday for Christmas. And yes they really are .
I was rung up by one of her friends and told this , and i was also told that after the money was paid , she was delivered the machines , and with hardly any training told to open and everything would be great. They offered no real support , and in a specialized industry like ours you really need it. Or you have no chance.
So what did she really get for her money.
Plastic Machines ( 3 )
Plastic advice ( lots )
I have sent her a message saying i will do everything in my power to help her get her money back. If she bought into the business on the pretext that the machines had won multiple awards , had years of university tests and tons of celebrity endorsements then she has a good case. I hope she isn't scared off by their size and acts now.
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John |
Posted On:2012-05-20 23:21:51
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Thianks Lloyd. Looking forward to the 10 year results in 2016. I have always felt the anti-aging or older crowd was the biggest market for vibration training even if it does not stop gray hair.
John T. Weatherly
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Posted On:2012-05-20 15:16:19
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New article ......
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-19 22:17:59
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To prove my passion and sincerity in forwarding our industry, I have just had the complete plans for both my machines, and the 3 types of vibration transfer systems I invented published on engineering websites ( US and Australia based websites ) .
This will help our industry move in a better direction at a faster pace, and stop unscrupulous companies trying to patent something they did not invent ( as we have seem before with Power Plate ).
I will be releasing further details on this subject soon .
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-19 09:49:27
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Carlos...
It even has the fake specs ( "Frequency Range 50-60Hz." ) which is not even close to the truth. More like 15hz maz speed.
But that does not mean it wont work to some degree if used properly.....
My main concerns with a family using these machines are sloppy poses, trying to run it at top speed "just because" and it breaking down very quickly with no support or real warranty ( never heard of one getting fixed yet ) .
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Carlos |
Posted On:2012-05-19 00:57:51
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Good am. New to the forum and the world of vibration training and exercise. I am looking for a nonbiased opinion on the
Confidence Slim Full Body Vibration Platform Fitness Machine
Please advise. I am looking for in use only for my family.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-18 22:28:56
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(1) Fq ranging from ......... 15hz - 25hz
(2) Amplitude set at ......... 0.5 mm.
(3) Max g-force exerted..... 1.26g
(4) 60 second poses
(5) Squat pose done at exact 110 Degree angle
As predicted, once precise angles are used ( instead of random amateurish poses, as mentioned as a deciding factor in inconsistent research results in the past ) the specs become almost secondary. All plates no matter what their specs or action will give some positive benefits.
What level of benefit will be the only question left eventually.
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PhilippaChurch |
Posted On:2012-05-15 20:25:43
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Gary, you are welcome to come and see us in our studio in Ampthill, Beds. We have Vibratrains and a Bodyshaker and were trained by Lloyds staff. Where are you.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-13 12:30:07
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Another classic quote from an online auction ....
" Anyway I did my research when my friend offered this to me, he paid $4,000 and had used it about 10 hours, so its like new. "
Contradiction anyone ?
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-11 13:54:48
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Gary...
Unfortunately no unbiased professional Vibration Training around. 90% marketing.
I even really only specialize on training methods based on my "theories". The only difference is I took the gamble of practicing what I preach as actual company policy. It was a multi dimensional idea.
If you look at the names of the people who preach, teach and sell ideas, they are so unconvinced they are right, they fail to even test their theories with their own body, time and money.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-11 10:50:05
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Gary
I do staff training for Vibra-Train and I insist that the videos about each position be watched before the in-studio teaching session and before trainers are allowed to train customers. Also, I often show Lloyd Shaw’s Advanced Program (via my iphone) to people I meet at Sports Expo’s and other places.
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Di Heap/VibePlus |
Posted On:2012-05-11 10:44:56
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There is no formal training program that we recommend.
But there is excellent training available from Vibra-Train on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/VibraTrain
The Instructor Training Series is essential watching for all Personal Trainers and Fitness Instructors who use Vibration Machines with their clients. There is even a video showing how to use pivotal and lineal machines for people with limited mobility.
Start here to get an overview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPUQji9RPsA
Then watch the short training video about each position. You already have the poster so you know the order (unfortunately YouTube doesn’t let us sort them into folders)
Here’s the first one: The Basic Squat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fWoFeiPkcY
Follow that with the Mini Push-Up, the Wide Stance Squat and so on.
Gary, for your own use there’s an Advanced User Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikfQv7uwwo
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Gary |
Posted On:2012-05-10 23:19:39
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Just one more point i would like to clarify,is there any form of industry training that is out there,im a level 3 personal trainer and ive given my staff in house training on the safety program.is this ok, the only companys in the uk that i can find that do any type of formal training are power plate which is a big no, and dan fivey of vibrogym who is on your sinners list.thanking you in advance Gary.
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-10 14:58:02
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Virginia...
Medium Energy Machine. The company has a good record and is probably a safe bet for a Lineal machine.
Make sure you get advice from us how to get the best out of it.
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Virginia |
Posted On:2012-05-10 13:54:34
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Do i want to buy a vibration machine DKN xg 3.0, i,l be making a good purcharse you view
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John |
Posted On:2012-05-10 03:10:54
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I will look forward to this information. We have to expose these people and clean the mess up. Keep up the great work.
John T. Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-09 21:57:21
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Will soon be re-releasing 3 articles originally posted in 2009 about recommendations for opening commercial premises.
I will be placing exerts from an " experts" recent advice on the exact same subject, along with comments from this same expert on the actual articles published in 2009 ( some public some email ) .
Getting very tired of our community not being credited for our published work, and instead others trying to take credit for the knowledge we share.
Real experts correctly attribute. Fake experts claim as their own .
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Lloyd Shaw |
Posted On:2012-05-08 15:11:48
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Mike M....
Good question on other forum to Wave owner. .
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