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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-24 12:08:49
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Sorry your whole statement blows your credibility out of the water. I am speaking facts ( lots of printed and PDF adverts we have kept all claiming 50hz top speed setting )
Direct quote from T-Zone brochure.......... " 50 vibrations per second - not the usual 30, More vibrations mean more muscle reflexes and more results "
Yours opinion is obviously based on zero knowledge as no company will now claim those figures as accurate. You probably purchased a machine yourself not knowing the real specs. And we are meant to take your advice ????.
As for T-Zone the company, maybe one brother is more honest than the other, who knows. Don't care myself for the dynamics of the company.
And your "best machines in the industry" comment puts you at real amateur level. Only a marketer would say something like that.
Eg.... One company that used to advertise fake specs, just got its own machine designed to go up to much higher speeds than the actual old 12 hz. ( but claimed 50hz ) And now know how ridiculous their older claims were. They side with me now on "no fake specs" issues. A company I once attacked outright.
Strange how many companies are now following our work that once rubbished it, but make no mistake, it was a fight every step of the way. We all survived personal and professional attacks to get this far.
You see we do not mind companies making mistakes, but to ignore the issue for 3 years, and keep repeating them ? All that while it hurt the real innovation process that created our industry in the first place , frustrating those who really where trying to build better machines. I mean why bother trying, why not just fake it, right?
Because that is the lesson they where preaching to other companies entering the market. This is what promoting 50hz on Pivotal got you ....
1) Incorrect specs advertised ( that is illegal right ? )
(2) Promotion of those specs as healthy and advantageous
(3) Health professional and Doctors now promoting and willing to argue those speeds on Pivotal acceptable.
(4) The same Doctors doing research , listing incorrect dangerous specs on their research.
(5) Even more uneducated or dishonest competition copying every move you do.
You see we were already have this fight with Power Plate. So it was business as usual for us. Collecting evidence, spreading the truth. All the while leading the way with our own company based on ethics, not just sales.
The people trying to tell the truth and clean the industry up were being shat over every day by these people. Get the message ?
I mean seriously, how can you trust anyone who screws up that massively then pretends it didn't happen ?
Note: Do you realize their claims are all over forums, along with salespeople saying we were lying and being anti-competitive. But we were right all along. So just ditching their old advertising and pretending it didn't happen will not work. They put a fair bit of effort in to create the mess and fight us, so only a far effort will go some way to fixing it.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-23 23:32:15
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Ummm I think you need to check your info mate.
T zone Australia and T zone Canada US are the same thing, the owners are brothers. My machines came from one of their leading dealers who is a good mate of mine, and their machines are the best on the market.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-23 22:54:01
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We have had problems in the past with companies using fake specs to sell machines ( 50 hz advertised for a Pivotal machine that actually went approx. 12hz ?? ) Not my opinion, engineering fact.
Fake specs for the whole industry and consumer has been bad news, and T-Zone was one of the first companies to do this blatantly. So they get stick for it, and rightly so.
It is important to note that T-Zone Australia readily communicated to us a willingness to tests machines, and promise to advertise correct specs in the future. T-Zone Canada and US. have ignored all requests to face up to the problem so far. Why such different attitudes to consumer protection ?
I think you will find some dealers are more committed than others to this industry. If you found a good one, then that was good luck.
Note: 70% of our hits on this site are from the US. So we try to give general global advice, not just local.
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Brice from Sydney |
Posted On:2011-04-23 21:34:58
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Loyd where do you get off telling people not to trust T zone
I have 2 T zone machines in my studio and I have nothing but good feedback for the machines and for the retailer where I bought them.
Whats your problem with T zone
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-23 17:23:12
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Answer.......... As indicated in engineers reports the powerplate PRO 5 (Not MY5) tested at 11G’s unloaded. This alone is not bad. However, there is reason to believe that this would not be the case if it was loaded with someone working out on it. For that reason, and my personal experience along with many others who come to my studio after using the powerplate at a local gym, we rate it as a “middle of the road” lineal platform. Will certainly get the job done and has research behind it, but not the best your money can buy.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-21 21:11:42
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-20 16:41:36
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MikeP...
All good. Just want everyone to have best experience they can with Vibration Training, through companies dedicated not just to the bottom line ( which never works out well for the consumer or industry long term )
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MikeP |
Posted On:2011-04-20 04:46:23
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I just want to say that I recently purchased a Power Plate my 5. I never really had a good feeling about the product and after plenty of research on here and discussion with Lloyd I decided to send it back.
I ended up purchasing a Wave Air Reflex product. It really is a different machine altogether. I could tell right away when I started on this one that the Power Plate was an inferior product. Not to mention I received a call from Dr. Sidhu and he was willing to go over the machine. I am not implying that you have to get a Wave but this is the kind of quality and customer service that I was looking for in a product. Not to mention it is all steel and not plastic and cheap like the PP. The rep at PP told me that the weight calibration is over rated and that you really do not lose energy.
Anyhow I just wanted to share my experience with everyone and say thanks to Lloyd and company for what they are doing.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 17:14:33
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No matter what the brand, all those machines come from the same factory ( exact same design that is, not all Pivotals ). And they all work within a 10% variance of each other.
According to Galileo anything over 18 hz seems to cause a profound muscular reaction. Unless you are an athlete going faster than 22Hz is just overdoing it in my opinion.
So having said that, go with a company you trust that sells that machine.
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 15:02:19
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thanks for the quick answer folks...
lloyd shaw... thats the type of pivotal machine that we are looking for... the ones we tried like that had no head jarring at all... the others all were very uncomfortable....
had anyone had any experience with the Progression WBVMs ... they look very similar to the NitroFit units
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-19 11:01:58
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Closer....
For Pivotal I would recommend http://www.wholebodyvibration.net/ as a trusted company. T-Zone seems to be increasing its product quality over time and the newer units are running a few hz faster. But I do not trust T-Zone and would not give them my money.
Pivotal VS Lineal .... As long as your choice is personal and not pre-empted or influenced by marketers. Then that is always a good thing.
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John |
Posted On:2011-04-19 09:42:47
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Vibraflex, around five years ago when I briefly represented them in the U.S., was roughly 9000 to 11,900 US dollars. That is basically a Galileo with one motor. I do not think there is a better pivotal so this is top of the line and you can go down from there. They also had leasing options for people at that time.
John T. Weatherly
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closer |
Posted On:2011-04-19 08:18:27
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looking for answers out of Canada... or relating to available machines in Canada... but any advice will help
The more read the more I like about vibration training... and the more I get confused as to which machine I should purchase...
first of all we are not looking to bulk up... we are both over the half century, in pretty good shape, and under 150 lbs. we are looking at a machine that will help with some weight loss, toning and overall flexibility... I suffer from a bit of piriformis syndrome and think it would assist me there as well... the machine I believe that would be best suited to us would be the pivot type. I have been on both types and quite frankly the lineal ones actually do shake my head uncomfortably... no matter how flexed my knees are...
in Canada I have used the TZone 1500 and found it very comfortable... but they are a distance away for service... I have access to the Progression VT1000 but see that it is listed at this site as one of the low power pivotal machines... does anyone know if one is any better than than the other... and can you tell me why
what would a good premium pivotal machine be... and what should I expect to pay for one
please dont tell me I should be using a lineal... as I said... they wrack my head and are out of the equation
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-18 10:30:59
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The Australian Fitness and Health Expo in Sydney would be a great place for Vibra-Train to exhibit (when the time is right). Along with FitX it’s attended not only by athletes and the general public but by owners of fitness studios, gyms, beauty and health spas and more. Many visitors were in great shape from presumably many hours of weights at the gym – they’d love the look and power of the machines. There were others who looked like they didn’t exercise at all and Vibra-Train would be excellent for them; at a fitness show they were obviously looking for more than the giveaway protein drinks.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-16 12:31:54
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Who reviewed it, obviously no-one from the industry or anyone with any experience. From reading the review it seems the only experience the reviewer has was on a plastic machine from China called the Power Plate. Very weak and sold on fake specs.
Is this company trustworthy ....
Here is how you can tell. Ring up and ask if they will give you written confirmation the machine truly goes up to 30hz as advertised. Also ask if you get it independently tested and it fails, they will advertise in the same paper all previous buyers can get 100% money back.
Watch then run a mile.
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Geekerella |
Posted On:2011-04-16 11:35:58
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Hello, I live in the UK and I was thinking of getting a Reviber Plus which has been reviewed in a national newspaper and scored 5 stars out of a possible 5. Please could you tell me if this seems legitimate.
The specs are ... Dimensions 62cm x 50cm x 18cm height, Amplitude 12mm, Frequency 0 to 30 Hz
Rated Power 300W, Maximum Load 200kg, CE mark, motor guaranteed for 5 years and other parts for 2 years.
Thank you.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-13 16:45:52
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I did tell her that. Trust me Lloyd i cant write on this forum the words i said,lol.
She even said he was just protecting his job....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-13 16:33:21
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I would be much harsher, and just state....
" Your friend lied to you to protect his income and to not look stupid"
No trainer in N.Z. has any excuse for not trialing this technology.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2011-04-13 15:10:37
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I really wish personal trainers (not all) would get their head out from up their Arse and do some research....
Just had a young woman come into my studio out of curiosity to try Vibra-Train, she told me her personal trainer friend
said too not waste her time as it wouldn’t do anything for her. Now this is a guy who has never tried Vibra-Train before.
He also said it would not be challenging enough. Well after the 4th minute she was stuffed! yawning and sweating and saying she
felt like she had just had a gym workout, and we aren't even half way through the programme. This woman is used to working out as well.
I told her to tell her friend to come have a go and do some fricken RESEARCH!!!
I hate it when people sit on there so called qualifications.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-13 14:53:37
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Yes funny how these people always have an ulterior sales / greed motive for their "warnings" .....................
Power Plate ( apparently only their machine will no explode your eyeballs.)
Juvent ( apparently only their machine is safe )
The only time I have given such a warning was when Power Plate said completely uncontrolled, untested vibration ( promoted as 3D vibration ) was a good thing to aim for in a product. They would not even release the X, Y , Z movement on their Chinese built plates. I still stand by that statement, that controlled vibration is the ONLY way to go.
I would dare any Physio or Vibration Training expert to say otherwise.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-13 14:04:17
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Lloyd, you’ve quoted from a Pubmed article
“"Whole-body vibration training using single-frequency methods has been reported to improve bone mineral density. However, the intensities can exceed safe levels and have drawn unfavorable comments from subjects.”
Which seems to be saying that intensities can exceed safe levels
So just to clarify this it’s important to read on to the next statement that of the study -
“The stress levels were within the published levels during walking and stair-climbing and descending but below the stress levels during jogging.”
We have to ask who said the intensities could be unsafe – remember that was my biggest query when I started out as a customer –
It was Clinton Rubin who said this while marketing his own low intensity plate. The study proved him wrong!
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-12 23:36:18
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Note how this comment from the older article on this site, is in line with exactly what the new study says...
" Clearly your head receives far more impact while jogging than remaining static in a correct pose on a vibrating platform where you can’t even see a person’s head move. Even standing lock-legged on a platform, which is the worst pose to directly transfer all energy from the plate into the head, comes nowhere close to what we receive when running."
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2011-04-11 14:04:40
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FIVE YEARS OF VIBRATION TRAINING – Here’s the results
http://www.vibeplus.com/2011/04/08/results-of-vibration-training-lloyd-shaw-pics/
Each of the photos was taken impromptu – no special preparation or building up. No lighting or studio preparation and using a simple point and shoot camera.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-11 13:11:16
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IVTRB Lineal Program up on ....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-07 19:05:56
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Very happy to report over 60% of our visits are now from the U.S.
Hot spots are CA, NY and Texas. Now CA and NY are easily explainable, as they have some awareness being created by sales based companies or Physios using Vibration Training
But the thing about Texas is, I have no idea why we are getting so much attention. It has been steadily climbing for the last 12 months. So any of you Texas people reading this, can you tell us how you got here.
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John |
Posted On:2011-04-02 02:46:27
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Thanks for fibromyalgia info and Johnny come lately info. It would be interesting to know if the Johnny come lately is a marketer or academic. Sometimes these people seem to be both marketers and academics.
John Weatherly
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-01 18:23:31
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Note this comment about a test done on Fibromyalgia sufferers ....
"Another interesting thing was that when given a choice, 10 out of 12 patients picked a vertical vibration machine compared to a pivotal vibration machine. Here we go again with the marketing department shouting that ‘vertical is better than pivotal for fibromyalgia!!!’. Remember, this is a preference. However, our experience shows that both types are beneficial."
Now this is NOT to say one system is better or safer than the other ( as other unethical companies will try to tell you ) . But think about this, the Fibro people were already in pain and not feeling well. If Lineal feels so horrible.
Why would they choose it ?
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-04-01 12:41:13
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If you are looking at buying on Ebay, and considering all the factors you discuss regarding your health, this is the type of unit that I would recommend ....
Take a good look at the design...
The stable side handle bars and frame will allow you to take some weight through your arms when you get to the level of bending at the knees. But for the first little while, you will only be doing the standard Standing Therapy Pose.
Note: Machines on Ebay are not always sold by reputable companies. So I can not talk about warranty issues etc...
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Michelle |
Posted On:2011-04-01 08:27:46
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Hello there,
As someone who is considering the purchase of a whole body vibration excerciser, I would be most grateful for your feedback.
Im a woman whos extremely deconditioned and who has quite a bit of weight to lose. At this stage i would not be able to do any squats or lunges on the machine, the most I would be able to do at this point is bend my knees a bit and balance on the machine. I am also hoping that at least standing on the machine will help with lymphatic drainage and reduce the swelling in my legs.
I have heard about senior citizens and other disabled and deconditioned folks using the machine with good results, but I would really appreciate a frank and honest answer here. Can an obese person obtain any strengthening and weight loss benefit from this machine or am I not a good candidate.
Also have you heard anything good or bad about the "iFit" whole body vibrator, its a triangular oscillation vibrator with a motor power of 1000 watts. Theyre selling the item on eBay and the auction listing has a ton of info but naturally that doesnt guarantee reputability. I can email you the link to the auction if you want.
Thanks in advance for your help...Im looking forward to beginning a healthier lifestyle but I dont want to get ripped off in the process.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2011-03-29 16:22:19
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No it is not advised.
It will probably always be a contra-indication because of the delicate nature of pregnancy. No-one would take the legal risk of actually promoting it.
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This from a website that has written entire articles rubbishing our work and theories on Static VS Dynamic.