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Di Heap Posted On:2011-02-28 08:51:12

Deanna

The T-Zone is a Low Speed Pivotal  – see here:  http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

It is a therapy unit and as you’ve already seen some benefits from using it having one at home seems a good idea.

 

Billie

I removed your blatant advertising. While we promote healthy eating and taking supplements that provide benefit for various conditions we do not allow spam and self promotion.

 
Deanna Posted On:2011-02-28 05:40:21

Do you have any information or opinion on the VT 15 machine by TZone.  I have used one a few times at my massage therapists  and feel good after the treatment.  My problems are Fibromyalgia, degenerative disease in lower spine and some areas of arthritis.  With the cost of the treatment plus a round trip of about 30 miles each time, it wouldnt take long to pay for having one at home.  Am seriously considering buying one and the TZone sounds good.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-26 14:49:54
Dean...
 
Yes I think those that see the IVTRB Safety Program as simplistic underestimate ..
 
(a) What is going on inside the body.
 
(b)  Simplicity is strived for and indeed imperative for launching any new idea.   
 
I always said the program and how we articulate our ideas, was as important as the machines we make. Keep up the good work.    
 
 
An update on Di Heaps article, about poorly written articles...
 
 
Google is doing something about it.....
 
 
It has already had an effect on 1 company that relied on such rubbish to get ratings. And the real effects will start showing in a week or two. 
 
Dean Mistura Posted On:2011-02-26 12:13:39

Yesterday, I presented a lecture for members of our sport medicine society. That was first such lecture about vibration training and therapy in Croatia. Hopefully it wasn't a last one.
My main argument was that this technology allow us to combine a protection of isometric contraction (static exercise), and muscle activation equivalent to isotonic contraction (dynamic movement) all in one, with vibration stimuli of hi energy vibration machine. This argument presents a strong indication for use of vibration exercises in treatment of degenerative diseases of knee, and hip, ass well as in overuse injuries, such are jumper's knee, chronic groin syndrome, achilodynia, etc.
The reactions of MD's and PT's were really good. As one doctor said "I didn't know it is so simple. Before this, I presumed this is just another anticelulite treatment for which I don't have any use in my daily practice." Other MD added: "There is so much contradictory information available about this technology, which makes understanding and using vibration stimuli in medicine real challenge, because great uncertainty about body reaction to any stimuli makes one reluctant to advise use of such treatment in particular patient. Seeing simple protocols such as this with strict practical rules, makes clinical decision much easier."

Now, we have seen a lot of arguments for and against safety program here, and on another forums, and I think that arguing will go on. But I have to say that in everyday physiotherapy practice safety program presents simple and workable set of rules that is easily explainable to a patient, as well as to a MD. Furthermore, predictability of physiological effects of such program makes it more acceptable for indications in orthopedic medicine.

Also, I proposed a protocol for reducing a risk of injuries in strength training for professional athletes with vibration. More about this in my next posts.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-25 18:38:26
New Myth-Buster Videos released on the Industry & Theory side......
 
Part 2 & 3.  Covering some basic vibration / physics facts.
 
 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-25 13:22:59
Chris ,now I have more info this is my recommendation....
 
 http://www.wavexercise.com/ ( only their steel units )
 
DKN  ( only their steel units )
 
 
Actually if proprioception ( balance ) is your children's main issue I would go for a  Pivotal unit like NitroFit. Lineal really is more for power, speed and quality muscle gain ( body-fat % loss )  The lower speeds on Pivotal work directly on balance and processing issues .
 
The fact is you could get away with buying a Crazy-Fit type unit  Vibra-Slim etc..  but they break down so much it just not worth the hassle.  
 
ChrisL Posted On:2011-02-25 09:46:20

First time post,   I have 2 children with severe processing issues that include balance and coordination issues. I believe that vibration therapy will help my children and my wife and I.  Any recommendations as to what machine I should purchase for my home.    From my understanding Lineal is better than Pivotal due to the nature of mans movement relative to gravity which I conceptually see.  Looking for some help, from what I gather DKN is a good product.

 

Thank ypu,

Chris L

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-24 15:19:46
New Videos released on the Industry & Theory side......
 
They are there to clear up some simple questions. So simple in fact I promise you will wonder how the "experts" missed them in the first place....
 
 
As always the answer is simple, they were not "experts" to begin with. They were just copying each other frantically trying not to be left behind. Never stopping to ask themselves if the person before them even knew what they were talking about.
 
This is pure intellectual laziness, the kind of thing we expect from marketers. Not scientists.  
 
  
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-23 16:48:41
Dave...
 
A word of advice. Do not read their website or follow any of their instructions. They are on-sellers, nothing more nothing less.
 
No Pivotal machine released to date goes up as high as 56Hz. VibraPro are not confused, they just made up a random figure that sounded good. ( most Lineal units only go up to 50Hz, so they just added a few more for good measure for marketing purposes )  Never mind neither system should ever be compared.
 
You will find the Hz increase in 0.2 increments and top out at about 18hz. 
 
I would not trust them to clean my toilet properly. They are first class morons.   
 
Dave Posted On:2011-02-23 15:35:27

I received a vibropro 5500 today.While I am satisfied with the machine the following incorrect information is displayed on their website 0 to 56 hz actually it is 12 to 56 hz, 28 speeds actually 22 at 2hz intervals,biomass indicator there is none, 5 programs plus manual actually there are 4 plus manual

 

Just an fyi

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-23 13:28:07
VibroCise...
 
Did you go through Dan Fivey to get your VibroGyms . Is he still the UK rep ?
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-23 12:10:03
Never had it reported before, And I must have used 40 Vibro-Gyms.
 
Having said that the 4mm amplitude setting can be quite hard of soft tissue, but good shoes should protect anybody from heel issues.
 
Philippa Church Posted On:2011-02-23 10:23:23
Hi vibrocise, we have not experienced this in our studio. Good idea to get in touch with whoever sold you your machines. I believe you have bought vibrogyms, so hopefully you are getting some after sales advice and support from Dan Fivey. If should be able to give you some input on whether he has seen this before.
 
Philippa Posted On:2011-02-23 10:13:57
Sending lots of love to beautiful New Zealand. Hope you heal quickly. X
 
vibrocise Posted On:2011-02-23 04:36:51

Hi there, I wondered if you could help at all........somebody who has been coming to our studio for 4 weeks now has said that she has now got stone bruise on her heel, she says that its been through coming to our studio. I do know that she is a hairdresser and on her feet all day. I was wondering if anybody knew of any way that she could have got stone bruise on her heel through using the machines.....

Thanks in advance for your advice

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-21 12:53:13
This article is for anyone in the industry who has been fooled into listening to an engineers opinion of Vibration Training machines .....  
 
 
3 videos are also being released this week busting more myths in our industry wide open.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-20 13:28:27
The cost of reconditioning your large Power Plate Pro machine....
 
It has just come to light that it can cost $4000 per machine to replace all the wearable parts ( only replaced a few parts, nothing major like the motors ) . And this was not a hard worked unit by most studio standards. Anyone purchasing a machine should ask for a redeemable quote ( past the warranty date ) for all parts that might need replacing. And get it in writing, Power Plate are famous for reneging or even outright denying verbal deals.  And get the quote from Power Plate head office, as in my country Power Plate have failed and relaunched 4 times, each owner not honoring the lasts promises.    
 
 
If you have only 1 machine, this might be affordable. But imagine having 4 or more machines, as a business you would be staring down the barrel of a $16,000 bill to keep them looking tidy and running.
 
Note: The person is now trying to sell the machine for $6000 with no takers. You do the math's. 
 
And Power Plate are not the only ones.....
 
Some companies are charging $800 for a single set of isolators ( the rubber bits that act like a car suspension system for the plate ) . If these are not replaced the machine becomes uncontrollable or stops vibrating properly.
 
Note:  These companies simply deliberately made parts that break so they can fleece you later. And guess what, you can only use the exact parts they sell. Nothing else will work. Unfortunately the industry is not big enough to make producing generic parts profitable yet. So you really are stuck with the problem.
 
I hope this is a wake-up call to those who thought my warnings about companies just putting the label "commercial" on anything that moved was not scare mongering or an anti-competitive sales pitch.  It is real and a real concern.   
 
         
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-20 00:20:46
NuNeedsHelp...
 
Sounds like an "Earth" signal from the FQ inverter. Which usually only mean a lose wire. A standard electronics mechanic should be able to find the fault.  
 
Was it brand new unit ?
 
Maya.......
 
Yes the Crazy-Fit is on the blacklist due to deliberately advertising fake specs. It is a "Slow Speed Pivotal" unit that needs top get to a certain speed to give all the effects they advertise. It does even do half of that. But if you want a slow speed pivotal, then its a good enough unit.
 
 
Note:  A Lineal units level of effectiveness is how heavy a vibration it can create, not the speed . 
 
 
Putting  , ? -  @   etc.....   into the comments ?  Please use an email program and then copy and paste over to the comments box.     
 
Maya Posted On:2011-02-19 21:10:41

Hi.

I have been reading a bit in the Internet about this solution and different machines.

Question ... Are you familiar with any gym or any company at all that works with these machines in Israel

i only managed to find the following web site www.crasyDASHf.co.il

which stands for crazy fit massage

sorry but i am not able to write any signs in this comment  not a dash sign nor question marks etc...

However, i read in your site that you mentions this in your black list.

Thanks and regards in advance...

 
LuNeedsHelp Posted On:2011-02-19 20:12:58

Can someone please help me

I own a DNK GX10 and have recently moved house  went to use and now is coming up with an error code

E02 over voltage

it says to press the manual key which ive done and nothing happens

 

anybody know what to do thanks

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-15 20:22:34

Who is trying to delete / re-write history ?

Comment from a PhD Thesis on Online Consumer Engagement

http://www.ffwd.net.nz/blog/2009/12/consumer-engagement-in-online-communities-formed-around-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-58

" Until March 2008, 324 members posted 2370 comments on 55 articles "..... on vibrationtraining.net 

As of today almost every single question and answer has been erased. Literally thousand of consumer education questions and answers, gone. Why delete all the publics questions surrounding Vibration Training. Who would have anything to gain, or better yet something to lose from this data remaining public permanently ( like every other forum on the internet does ).

         
 
Di Heap Posted On:2011-02-14 09:11:17

I want to put up a sign that says “Dear New Customer – You need to do Vibration Training twice a week minimum, three times is even better – Once every “blue moon” is not going to give you results!” 

In fact, “Twice a Week Minimum” is on our Basic Rules @ Vibra-Train sign and we have many hundreds of regular customers every week but I’m still getting those who want to come in occasionally when they feel like it or “have time”.  Most of the people with this mindset are doing no other fitness activities so maybe they are just responding to the message that we must exercise but feeling good about signing up is not the same as actually doing it!

We make time for what is important to us – how important is your health, fitness, strength?

 
Di Heap Posted On:2011-02-10 15:38:29

On a positive note – I’ve had a busy morning at the Vibra-Train studio with lots of newbies and they’ve been from all ages and people types: A rather large man, a slim athletic girl who came with her father who is a new customer, two women who are health professionals, a 30’s mom who came with her friend who is a current customer, and a young lady from a local business are just some.

It’s exciting to see so many different people trying us out – young and old, fit to very unfit and from every type of occupation.

We’ve turned a corner – Vibration Training in New Zealand is a now a known and accepted form of fitness and exercise training!

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-09 14:19:25
It happens for one simple reason Mike ....
 
People within the fitness industry already, who can not understand Vibration Training ( pretend experts )  just doing what they normally do on a vibration plate. That way they do not have to learn any new science or concepts.  
 
This is all a direct result of Power Plates marketing idea of  "Acceleration Training".   " It just accelerates whatever else you are already doing."  Aka,,  It does nothing by itself.
 
.Just like their machines, all it does is cheapen our industry.
 
Note: Power Plate did not call it "Acceleration Training" back when they had steel machines.  
 
  
 
MikeHair Posted On:2011-02-09 09:49:27

 

 
OMG..... just watched the video of powerplate with people
 
jumping all over the place, I can’t believe how irresponsible
 
some people are!
 
How hard is it to Google vibration training and find info on
 
what is ok and not ok.
 
I guess they deserve what they get, unfortunately in the mean
 
time it is hurting our industry.
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-08 16:35:33
Good rule of thumb, never ever compare G-forces of Pivotal VS Lineal. 
 
Think about the term G-forces in our industry, it means working against gravity. On a Pivotal as one foot goes up the other goes down, so the actual g-forces applied to your body are automatically halved, ( something Pivotal companies deliberately do not point out to you ). Only on Lineal do you fully work against gravity at all times.  The two separate actions of the machines also target muscle groups quite differently.  
 
 
Eg.......  It is like comparing jumping from side to side with jumping straight up and down.
 
You also never compare the frequency the machines operate at.  For most people going over 22 hz on Pivotal means foot slippage, so going much faster just means you are more likely to not hold form correctly, and you would never do upper body at 22hz on a Pivotal unit.
 
Where as 22hz on Lineal would be considered very slow and highly annoying, and on most machines be considered Vibration Therapy at best.
 
They are so un-comparable the ONLY way to tell which one is for you is to try before you buy. If you cant I would suggest you wait until you can.
 
Note: There are also reasons why one system is safer than the other in certain circumstances.            
 
Dave Posted On:2011-02-08 15:46:50

It is going in my house single story cement floors covered with carpet.

I have tried pivotal not lineal.

 

My concern with the Dkn is that the G force is only Max 6

isnt that a little low compared to the others which are almost double

 

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-08 15:09:01
The DKN and Vibra-Pro 5500 are similar power rating. But one Lineal the other Pivotal. They are also of similar size.   
 
So it really boils down to preference of Pivotal or Lineal. Have you tried both.
 
Plus where is it going ? House, apartment, upstairs , downstairs etc.. 
 
Note: If you are going to SlimVibes for the Vibra-Pro 5500 beware they use massively inflated fake specs to sell their machines. Which is never a good sign of honesty, I would not trust them. You are much better going to Nitro-Fit  http://www.wholebodyvibration.net/  
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2011-02-08 14:52:07
For every trainer that has even mentioned moving on the plates as a good idea for the masses. This is what you propagate....
 
 
It makes a complete joke of Vibration Training. Make no mistake, this BS will kill our industry just as fast as crap machines.    
 
 
Dave Posted On:2011-02-08 14:44:06

I am trying to decide between a dkn x3g lineal max gforce 6 max ampl 3mm 2 year warranty

and a noblerex k1  max ampl 13mm 1 year warranty 13  g and a vibrapro 5500 max ampl 13, 2.8 hp 17g max  motor.5 year motor warranty both of these are tos machines

home use

any comments welcome

 
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