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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-26 19:57:30
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Unless there was an already existing issue with the graft, vibration training will be safe. Considering you are running and obviously healed I see no restrictions.
Note: After a decade of use no reports of any type of surgical screw coming loose has surfaced.
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Sweets |
Posted On:2010-10-26 17:19:49
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Hello all,
Very interesting blog. I dont know where else to turn for this sort of information so good on all of you for the knowledge you share here.
My question -
Had ACL reconstruction with a hamstring graft 3 years ago. I can exercise run etc and all but thought it would be a good time to get earnest with the muscle build up.
I would want to train on my gyms vibration unit following Lloyds protocols but i have this concern,
Wouldnt the vibration effect the graft screws or what have you loosening my acl graft
Thanks for your consideration.
Sweets
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-25 18:29:35
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Juliet...
What do you mean. You think we should be more like other financial powerhouses where greed, laziness and stupidity has almost collapsed their economies. Yea right.
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Dean |
Posted On:2010-10-22 09:53:10
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Thanks Mike. Thanks Lloyd.
Great tips.
I will keep you posted.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-22 08:23:18
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Dean
We first started our studio with pivotal machines and had many clients with MS, the benefits were nothing short of amazing.
One customer when she first came to us had to be driven everywhere by her husband she was only 40, after only one month she was driving by herself and was so pleased with her results she bought one of our old machines when we changed over to lineal.
The biggest thing i guess is to let people know it is not a cure but a treatment so to speak. So continued use is required.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-21 22:22:32
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Yes had very good results with MS. With noticeable strength, muscle gain and control. Unfortunately most do not come to use us until very advanced, so it is a long hard fight for them. It is very good she has come in with only mild symptoms.
Poses....... Whatever is possible for them to do. That will totally depend on how advanced they are with the illness.
Duration....... Short bursts of 10 seconds at first. Then building up to a minute .( could take several months, again depending on how they react, it could be a few weeks ) .
Rest ...... Usually only doing the program once a week for the first couple. Then build up from there as they bounce back faster.
Caution..... Chronic fatigue the day after training is normal. Prepare them for it by telling them to only push it if they have a day off work the next day.
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Dean |
Posted On:2010-10-21 21:12:26
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Multiple sclerosis (MS)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis
I have a young female patient (age 30) with MS. Her symptoms are rather mild, and are basically some difficulty with general motoric ability from time to time, and blurred vision.
Some papers suggest that vibration training can be beneficial for treating symptoms of this condition, and I think there is physiological logic behind that statement.
Is there anybody who has some experience with such patients? Any suggestions regarding positions, Fq, duration of the training etc.?
I have a studio equipped with Bodyshakers.
Thanks
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-21 18:37:39
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Well it would seem something very interesting has happened out of this situation.
In fact for our cause it could not get better. Will report on things soon.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-20 14:43:37
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When asked about being misleading to the public as she did not achieve her body on that machine she responded by saying...
“but MOST 'miracle' exercise machine Ad's are misleading ... guaranteed MOST fitness models got their bodies through their own weight training regimes ... it's just an AD + I'm a PAID model”
Exactly the thing we are dead against, making money at any cost regardless who it rips off!!
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-20 12:24:27
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I have just publically banned her from ever coming into my studio. And Di put a message up on her Facebook page ( the one she is using to promote that garbage ) so everyone knows why.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-20 08:08:38
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Now if the Com Com in NZ would get off there lazy arse and do some research maybe it would stop alot more people being ripped off. I cant believe she is still indorsing that product, there is no way in hell i would allow her back in my studio
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-20 00:29:45
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The Gymform VibroMax low speed Pivotal Vibration Machine advertorial on New Zealand Television over the past six months shows a local personal trainer promoting the product, saying it's got rid of her saggy bits and firmed up her butt and thighs.
This trainer has in fact been training at Vibra-Train - on high force lineal machines. She knows the machines are not even similar and she knows her results have not come from the cheap machine yet again she's promoting it .
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-16 11:37:55
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It think this is a very telling statement, from someone who obviously considers themselves to be business savvy...
"Any good marketer from any business" is not confrontational...
I would suggest all of this goes against what any "good" marketer would do...
(a) Write articles and give consumers advice on how to successfully buy someone else's products.
(b) Help their competition in any way shape or form. Especially advise on engineering issues on other companies prototypes.
(c) Allow their competition to advertise on a site they owned.
(d) Allow their competition to come on a forum they run and ask any questions. Or talk negatively about my company.
(e) Gives permission, supply advice and details for a Thesis, so part of my business strategy can be replicated by anybody.
In fact I would say even releasing machines that do not need replacing every few years, goes against most modern day business practices. Or just maybe my business strategy goes beyond your limited concept of "dog eat dog".
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-15 16:02:00
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And a PhD student did a thesis about us – About Online Consumer Engagement – using the Vibra-train model.
She received top marks and invitations to travel and speak in Europe.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-15 15:47:53
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No, I am not a scummy marketer and very proud of it. They are the bain of our industry. Operating out of fear of losing a sale all the time, so end up pulling any stunt to get a payday.
What we do here is called "Online Consumer Engagement " We have created an online community that agrees with our ideals, and those are the only people we want to do business with. Why would I want to do business with anyone that is too scared of telling the truth ? Hear no evil, see no evil. You cant trust people like that.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-15 13:21:09
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And the difference between me and the Com Com. Is that they get paid to do it, it is their job they have failed at.
I do it voluntarily and have already spent considerable time and effort warning the consumer, even writing whole articles and giving people a review to work off for their own protection. More work than any other person in this industry has done.
Unless you can point me in the direction of someone who has done more, you should just be grateful.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-15 12:55:31
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I already have listed the active ones that are a present danger to the consumer.
The other list are those who have already ripped people off and will be looking at getting back into the game now things are heating up. My aim is to make sure they are not welcome.
In the mean time I am happy with naming the companies to be aware of.
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KM |
Posted On:2010-10-15 11:43:40
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I know I could have used a site like this with all this information and a list of people not to deal with 5 years ago.
We have a show in New Zealand called fair go that is one of the longest running shows on tv. Dodgy tradespeople hate it. Same reason this site is getting flack i suppose.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-15 11:24:46
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Great article on cancer Lloyd, i am so glad we have you as the worlds leading authority on vibration training writing articles, as if it was left up to these halfwits that come on here to try and disredit you, it would have fallen over long ago...
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-14 20:33:51
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Military tests showed a slight positive response. But too ambiguous to follow up on.
See here for just a few versions of a vibration bike.....
As I said Power Plate ran out of ideas long ago.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-14 19:34:20
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Lisa....
Vibration bike, treadmill etc... all been around for years. Any difference it makes to a workout is so small its not worth mentioning.
Tina... This site is #3 in the U.K. on Google. It gets more hits than Power Plates home page.
And if you look at the list of individuals on The Blacklist, you will see how effective it has been in shutting them down. Scoff all you like, results are the only thing that counts to me. Your opinion means nothing.
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Lisa |
Posted On:2010-10-14 19:04:23
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What are your thoughts on the vibrating bike.Will it work or have you tested this before.I like the idea but am not sure.Regards Lisa
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-14 14:33:33
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Just read Lloyd’s new article http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-cancer
Providing free articles to educate the public and answer questions is part of the bigger picture of being seen Top in your field.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the U.K. is the home of PowerPlate, right? So why is this website ranking higher in Google than PowerPlate’s homepage?
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Carol |
Posted On:2010-10-14 13:19:57
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http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-history-of-our-industry-you-need-to-know
If Lloyd Shaw is jealous and that is the reason for his animosity towards some machines. Then why does he write favorably about other products on a website he owns ?
Are they paying him or is he just being honest?
I would really like one of his detractors answer that for me.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-14 11:58:02
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The recumbent bike with superficial vibration attached has been out for years. So has cable weights with vibration attached. John can attest the fact other companies have tested it years ago.
It is actually a shame to see a once pioneering company like Power Plate being forced to copy the Chinese to make a buck. But kind of ironic really seeing as moving the Power Plate factory to China literally gifted the Chinese the designs to make copies with. Mark Minter had a meeting with me just before he left Power Plate and stated that going into China was the companies biggest single mistake.
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John |
Posted On:2010-10-14 06:48:52
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I advised Versaclimber in 03 to pursue a broad patent pending to superimpose vibration on about any exercise device. In 05, it went through. So, Power Plate with a Power Bike, may be infringing on the Versaclimber patent.
John Weatherly
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-13 13:11:27
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PowerBike......Just goes to show how much powerplate understand or should i say dont understand, when it comes to vibration training and involuntary reflex. What a joke....
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-13 12:33:49
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The Power Plate brand is 10 yrs old
And how do they celebrate this milestone. By releasing a bigger and better Vibration Training platform. One that actually keeps working maybe......
If you ever needed proof that Power Plate have run out of ideas, that the scientists have left the building and the marketers have taken over, this is it. And if anyone ever needed proof that Power Plate made a decision a while ago, to sell anything that vibrated as Vibration Training, this should settle it.
A bike with a vibrator attached. It took them 10 years to come up with that ???
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and making a mockery of the real Vibration Training industry.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-12 22:24:38
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You know what I love, is when an ex-salesperson from our industry jumps in and says " it was just a fad anyway"
Because the numbers do not lie, we are busier than ever. And people are taking it far more seriously than ever before. So what they are really saying is....
" I was selling a cheap product only designed to last as long as a fad" or " I never believed in or used the product myself, I just lied and hyped it up to get a sale "
Because I bet they never told a single person they were flogging 20K machines to " it is just a fad"
It was like a self fulfilling prophesy, they sell cheap faddish equipment, hence dooming the industry to break down and be remembered as just a fad. Thank God some of us, like our machines, are made of better stuff.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-12 13:33:18
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I have a very good idea who you guys are, and you know what, I predicted you would hit the wall eventually. Why....
(1) You did not have a durable gym quality system. So the machines had limited applications to only light use situations. Because you failed to admit that, your product has not moved forward.
(2) You failed to join me in my public fight to define cheap machines from decent units. Which all major companies were invited to do, but their arrogance stopped them from understanding the importance of working together on such a global project. You were all suspicious but I had no ulterior motive besides helping stabilize our industry.
(3) Because you let other companies lie their asses off, about what their machines could do and where they were made etc....... ( Even though some of you choose to still build at home instead of outsourcing to China.) You stood by frozen not knowing what to do. You lost sales, lots and lots of sales because you choose not to slam these companies publically. They planned on you playing the corporate game all along and keeping silent.
Foolish, gutless ,idiots.
(4) In your desperation for any sale you sold machines to gyms and places that actually needed big commercial systems. These people have now wised up and are selling their machines second hand. And looking elsewhere for more commercial grade products. They will never deal with you again, and you have actually damaged your reputation.
I have been contacted by gyms and people looking to set up studios half way around the world from me, that would rather wait and save up for my system, than deal with any other company. Some of you have really stuffed up for that to happen.
(5) So you are now not only up against a pile of your own second hand products, that are selling for a 3rd of retail, but also cheap copies.
(6) Those selling the really cheap crap on the internet have gone from getting $1600 for a machine purchased for $80 , down to $300. Hardly worth it anymore and they are also up against their own second hand units going for $50.
That was predictable to even the most naive business person.
I on the other hand predicted that putting money into designing and building true commercial units, that their earning potential long term would eclipse any sales based company. And with the numbers we are getting through the studios now, my prediction was accurate. Our studios can pull in a day what you guys work your asses off in commission in a sale, something I know you have to work very hard at getting.
This was no secret business strategy, I clearly outlined from the start how a "durable product that produces an income" was the future of the Vibration Training industry.
If the saying is true, " you are only as good as your last sale " , then your days are numbered. And you have no-one to blame but yourselves and your company heads for being so short sighted.
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