Mike M - thank you for the tip on getting a discount from Wave. We are talking over the benefits of spending a bit more and getting the Wave Air Reflex - if we could get it for $4,500. Did they call you back with the offer…or was it by e-mail?

Thanks MikeP. I have since then gotten an offer from them same as you got. I am mulling it over. Really I did not want to sink $4500 in any machine. My idea was to spend not over $4000, and the less the better. After hearing about your deal, it was my fond hope that some similar discount on the Contour Plus could be had. Didn't know it was so popular, and backordered.

I am also trying to get some hard specs out of them. Did they ever tell you anything as regarding that? I want to know specs such as G ratings or KN or something that I can take and compare to other brands that are out there. I know there is more to it than that, but I am stuck in a location where I literally can't go and look at anything unless I get lucky and find another individual who bought one.

They tell me that there's an independent university study that's ongoing now but not yet published that measured the Wave unit as outputting 2-6G when on low and 6-12G when on high intensity. Did they tell you that? I am now trying to find out which "Wave unit" that was, since they are selling 4 different ones. I also asked which parts of the Contour are plastic (the
skirting) and where is it made (China). The others are from Canada, and they say the Contour will be also, soon. If the above G specs are only on one unit, I want to know what they are on ALL of them, before I decide what to buy. Seems like common sense to me.

MIke M

Yes they did tell me 5000.00. I decided to not take that as the answer that I wanted. I was calling about the Contour Plus as well. What I would suggest is that you tell them that you know a few people that got the Air Reflex for 4500 with free shipping. I would say that since you do not have the product that I want I wouldnt mind spending the 4500 for the step up. I look at it from a sales prospective 500 is not much to a company but to us little guys it is a considerable amount of money. Try again.

You will not be sorry with the product. It is an awesome machine. Remember this too, you get what you pay for with any product. Unless you get scammed into buying a powerplate. HaHa

I am feeling really stupid today. I am reading the Independent Vibration Test pdf file which lists 18 machines’ specs and I’m having trouble making sense of it. Can someone give me some equations that relate them to things I know from my physics courses that I have taken in the past, so that they make sense? Here’s what seems odd to me:

In the line where it lists the Hypervibe’s highest speed settings, it lists highest velocity as just over 1000 mm/sec, which is around 1 meter/sec. Now, I know that under 1G of acceleration an object accelerates at about 9.8 meters per second, per second.

So you see my problem with the numbers there, and not just for this machine, but all of them. How does a velocity of this small amount translate to almost 24 G of acceleration? What am I missing?

Hi MikeP, Lloyd, And also Patty you might be interested in this. I just got contacted by Wave who are giving me the prices they have currently. They are pretty much list as on their website, except for the Air Reflex. It appears you were given a really special deal MikeP, for $4500 as that is not available any longer as it is now $5000. The Pro Elite is down to $8000 and the rest are as listed, $3995 for the Contour Plus and $1800 for the Contour, with the kicker that the Plus is back ordered for 7 weeks. I consider that pretty much unavailable. So it's pay $5k for the Air Reflex or get the plastic $1800 model that only works at 45 Hz.

Lloyd, would a model that only does 45 Hz be a bad thing? How important is it to be able to change frequencies? I think I read somewhere you think the ideal range to be somewhere between 38 and 45, is that right? And your machines are set at 43? Also, would the Contour be a huge step down from the other models for training purposes? How can I tell this?

Given this news I think I may have to give Nitrofit and maybe even Hypervibe another, closer look see...

Lloyd,

One additional note and question, I have looked at the Wave Contour, but I believe this is lineal and not sure if it would suit my husbands condition...your input please

Lloyd,

First, thank you for your research and comments. I am interested in purchasing a WBV machine to satisfy two needs. My husband has a condition known as spastic paraplegia - a neurological disease that causes the muscles and tendons to tighten in the feet and legs. He has to use a walker for mobility. I on the other hand am in good health but would like the machine for weight loss (perhaps 10 lbs), weight control, increase bone density, and fight celulite. The three machines I am looking at are: Nitrofit Deluxe, HyperVibe, and the Noblerex K1. My budget is no more than $2,800 U.S.  Also I should  mention, hubby had lower spinal fusion three years ago.

All of these are pivotal...I am not sure if this is the best type for our needs...what do you suggest?  Are the machines I have listed "good" machines

How about these? I am not sure what amplitude they offer; it doesn't seem to say.

http://www.activeforever.com/p-26092-vibeplate-exercise-vibration-plate.aspx?cm_mmc=nt-_-exercise-equipment-_-vibeplate-exercise-vibration-plate-_-51906

Hi Lloyd, did you ever see this brand? They have several different sizes/models.

http://www.cymax.com/Common/NoBot/MultiSports-G-Power-6-Velocity-Series-Whole-Body-Vibration-Training-Platform-G-6.htm

Wow, as of today my wife and I no longer owe any money to the finance company for our business. It has been over 5 years since we originally started.

A big thank you to Lloyd Shaw and his business partner Jude for believing in us and helping our business to grow to the next level.  

MikeP - that sounds like you got a great deal. I wonder if they would offer a similar discount on the other models? That's around a 31% discount off the current listed price that you got. The machine looks better than anything power plate offers, and most others also. Super deal. I have sent them an email asking about it but no reply so far. If they offered a similar drop on the contourplus then the price would be a match for what hypervibe is asking over here.

Mike M

I can tell you I have the wave Air Reflex. You can get it for 4500. You just have to ask. I have been using it for over 2 months now. This is after I had the dreaded Power Plate. The wave is by far a better machine. I even received a call from Dr. Sidu to go over any questions that I might have had. I have been using only the Wave and some TRX on the off days and my body is changing. I was already at 9 percent bf but I notice a difference in core and overall leg strength.

I have nothing but good things to say about them. The other plus is that it is manufactured in North America and not China. So far I am very happy with the service and quality.  

Thanks Di and thanks lloyd for the replies. Where to start? I was reading back in this forum and it seems there was another fellow who was looking at machines who lives in the US (IIRC) and he was considering the Wave and also the Bodyshaker and the Hypergravity (I think this was back around 2009 or so). I think it appeared he was going to get the Wave Contourplus. So I am looking at that one now. The bad part of that is, most of these machines have youtube videos where you can at least see a real machine running, but not the Waves. So here I am considering a machine I can't even see on youtube, for $4k. Ah well...

Where did you hear the Hypervibe Performance is on the way out? I wonder what is to replace it, is it going to be another pivotal, or a lineal? What about these machines I see, some on ebay, that claim to use both forms of vibration? How do you evaluate a machine that claims to run two motors one at 6-28 Hz and the other at 30-50 Hz? I could send you a link to one if you like, if it can be pasted in this forum, not sure about that, since some characters don't seem to work here.

Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BH-Fitness-Advanced-Body-Platform-Whole-Body-Vibration-/280663122066?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4158d36092

And here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PowerVibe-Zen-Pro-5900-Whole-Body-Vertical-Vibration-/200603632113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb4e881f1

And here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BH-Fitness-VibroBoost-Whole-Body-Vibration-Platform-WBV-/370403005094?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563dbd52a6

And here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHOLE-BODY-VIBRATION-MACHINE-PLATE-POWER-SLIM-PRO-3000-/320619817629?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa66e2a9d

This one claims the two motors/frequencies:
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHOLE-BODY-VIBRATION-MACHINE-PLATE-POWER-SLIM-PRO-4000-/220784820426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3367cd00ca

(That last one I find confusing, how about you?)

Lastly, if you were choosing between say a Nitrofit Deluxe, a Hypervibe performance, Wave Contourplus, a DKN XG10, and one of those ebay models, which would you think would be least likely to be outgrown over time? Thanks.

Hi Laura

Can you please tell us more about yourself and others who will be using the machine? Age (approx), body type, any injury or medical concerns, and what you want to achieve/results?  You’ve told me elsewhere that there is a studio that has TZone near you.  Go and try it BUT don’t be talked into buying a machine, just yet

Mike M

The HyperVibe Performance has been modified so it is quite different to the Nitrofit Deluxe.  Going by specs it would give greater training results.

The Nitrofit Personal – small one advertised as going to 30Hz – It has some mass but I strongly believe 30Hz is an exaggeration and anyway, why would you want that?  I’ve found anything above 22Hz is too uncomfortable to use due to feet slipping.  Check out this article for how bad that can be http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/unbalanced-training-unbalanced-marketing

It’s very hard to buy a machine off specs, you need to try out as many as you can. Your own body will answer the questions for you.  The three you have mentioned are pivotal.  It would be good to try a lineal (upright) machine as well but, as you’ve said, there’s not much chance of that. 

Hi. I have been reading both here and over at the hypervibe site, trying to learn a bit. I am a person interested in the training aspect, but I live in a part of the USA - NC - that seems to have little in the way of places to try these machines out. It appears to me that a number of the better units, like those made in Holland, just arent going to be available to me, to try or to buy.

I would like to ask one question - I see that both the hypervibe new model and the nitrofit deluxe model look identical or nearly so in the pictures, and the price over here is within a small amount of one another. Does anyone know if its the same or has it been modified. Also, what about the new low end nitrofit that is being advertised as a pivotal that goes to 30 Hz - does it really.

What training result could one expect from those units, or others that might be available in my area. Thanks for any advice.

So what about home models  ....Ive been searching for quite some time now without making a purchase as I have read all these very well written articles. Im very leery. Im willing to pay for quality but there are SO many mixed reviews and Id really like something not made cheaply in China. Id love some suggestions as Ive looked in your favourites but they all seem to be commercial. Suggestions would be SOO appreciated ...

This industry is confusing hte hell out of me. Here, in Ontario, we have Tzone as the most popular but Ive nary heard anything great about the make and model of the machine themselves.

Thanks for ANY input,

Thanks for sharing this very important work Lloyd.  Vibration training 15 min three times a week significantly increased bone mineral density and lower body strength in this year long study on postmenopausal women.  This was a good study looking at both pivotal and lineal vibration equipment compared to the typical wellness type of exercises prescribed for this population.  Vibration training was superior to the typical wellness type of prescription for this population.  I think the impact of this study is potentially huge.  It was in the journal Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise.

John Weatherly