The Gymform VibroMax low speed Pivotal Vibration Machine advertorial on New Zealand Television over the past six months shows a local personal trainer promoting the product, saying it's got rid of her saggy bits and firmed up her butt and thighs.

This trainer has in fact been training at Vibra-Train - on high force lineal machines. She knows the machines are not even similar and she knows her results have not come from the cheap machine yet again she's promoting it .

And a PhD student did a thesis about us – About Online Consumer Engagement – using the Vibra-train model. 

She received top marks and invitations to travel and speak in Europe.

I know I could have used a site like this with all this information and a list of people not to deal with 5 years ago.

We have a show in New Zealand called fair go that is one of the longest running shows on tv. Dodgy tradespeople hate it. Same reason this site is getting flack i suppose.

Great article on cancer Lloyd, i am so glad we have you as the worlds leading authority on vibration training writing articles, as if it was left up to these halfwits that come on here to try and disredit you, it would have fallen over long ago...

What are your thoughts on the vibrating bike.Will it work or have you tested this before.I like the idea but am not sure.Regards Lisa

Just read Lloyd’s new article http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-cancer

Providing free articles to educate the public and answer questions is part of the bigger picture of being seen Top in your field.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the U.K. is the home of PowerPlate, right?  So why is this website ranking higher in Google than PowerPlate’s homepage?

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/the-history-of-our-industry-you-need-to-know
If Lloyd Shaw is jealous and that is the reason for his animosity towards some machines. Then why does he write favorably about other products on a website he owns ?
Are they paying him or is he just being honest?

I would really like one of his detractors answer that for me.

 

I advised Versaclimber in 03 to pursue a broad patent pending to superimpose vibration on about any exercise device.  In 05, it went through.  So, Power Plate with a Power Bike, may be infringing on the Versaclimber patent. 

John Weatherly

PowerBike......Just goes to show how much powerplate understand or should i say dont understand, when it comes to vibration training and involuntary reflex. What a joke....

If copying Lloyd Shaws machines was easy to do, then where are the copies. In any country not just New Zealand. As someone said it has been 5 years so either everyone has tried and failed or as Richard RH said it is a lot more complex than it looks. Market forces would dictate if it could be done it would have been done.

It would not seem that secrets are Mr Shaws thing as he has given away so much free information, even a run down of his life that was not glossed over and made to make him look better than he is. I think he knows some people do not like him but I also do not think he is trying to win a popularity contest the old fashioned suck-up cheesy saleman way. I have a family member who really does not like Lloyd but still reads his stuff. He has influence over someone who does not like him, think about that.

Riddle me this Why would someone who only sells studios help someone buy a home machine  use a home machine  or set up a studio without his machines or give people hints on how to build a good machine.So either Lloyd is crazy or crazy like a fox.

It a bloody mistery to me but I think  by the time any of his competition figure it out it will be too late.

Hazzen,

We have 3 of Lloyds machines in our studio – they have been operating for over 5years with ZERO downtime. We also have another well known brand in our studio that hardly gets used due to the demand for Lloyd Shaws  Vibra-Train machines. Why? Because they get results.

Oh and don’t be so condescending towards morticians, we will all be needing their expertise at some time, however even you could delay the need for his services by training on his machines.

I came into Vibra-Train as a customer when I began my training as a Fitness Instructor.  I could not understand why Lloyd Shaw was outspoken against Fitness NZ and thought his concerns might be exaggerated. 

I’m now a N.Z. REPs registered Fitness Instructor.  I’ve listened to Lloyd’s concerns about corruptness and lack of ethics and I’ve tried to balance both sides, trying to see the worth in having an overseeing board controlling the fitness industry in N.Z., ensuring trainers are up to standard and gyms are providing excellent service but the longer I’ve spent looking in and being in, the more I understand and agree with Lloyd’s concerns -  For one thing, In my opinion, Fitness Instructors can basically buy their way to registration by studying with schools that are owned by Fitness NZ and REPs board members. Those who study at regular universities and local Technical Institutes don’t gain full registration even when the courses are listed on the REPs website.  And that’s where I am right now and I’m this month required to sit an exam to prove I’m up to standard. This general exam makes no sense to me as I’ve moved into a specific area of fitness and therapy training – Vibration Training.  I also do other industry courses each year to keep up to date.

FitnessNZ and REPs board won’t send someone to assess me at my job, it’s all academic; easy for them, an online exam, and only accessible through Facebook, which in my opinion is also laughable. Not every gym floor trainer has a computer and the payrate for trainers in N.Z. is so low it’s no surprise that some couldn’t afford one. 

Also FitnessNZ/REPS Preferred Providers of fitness equipment are those companies who are overseen or part owned by FitnessNZ or REPs board members.  It’s like a big club – if you’re in, you can benefit greatly  to the point of having your product recommended despite it’s real worth and despite it’s manufacturing defects or shortcomings in the case of recommended Vibration Machines.

And what do Fitness Instructors and Personal Trainers get for their yearly fee paid to REPs? Nothing much at all – lower fees for events like GetNZ Active (it’s just priced that way), a newsletter that says nothing, just lists available courses, a regular newsletter from Australian Fitness Network – the only thing of value with some articles worth reading, and free or cheap client assessment forms with REPs logo all over them – no thanks I have my own.

Some will tell me this statement is too long but I hope it explains in part how some trainers feel. Today I am emailing FitnessNZ and REPs to withdraw my current registration. In doing so I’m choosing to work in an independent fitness business (Vibra-Train) that values my contribution and where I will continue to be trained and tested to the highest level so that customers get the safest, most effective workout possible and I get the job satisfaction that makes going to work exciting.

I would have to add also my experience of Lloyd spending a a lot of time advising me on my initial purchase of machines which had no gain for him whatsoever.  Hypergravities.  He also spent  endless time and energy helping me out of a very nasty situation when the machines kept going wrong.  Without his support again, no gain for him, I would have gone under and doubt that I would have got any money back for the machines that were just not fit for purpose.  Clearly and quite rightly, Lloyd is proud of his machines but he has always supported other companies businesses that work in an ethical manner. 

I still have the Vibrogyms I purchaced and am thinking of setting up again.  I did try to sell them on trademe a while ago but not takers.

You took my calls and helped me when even the people who sold me the machines would not  not return my attempts to contact them.. Dan Fivey and his mate Jyle. I still dont get why you helped my family even though our businesss was not very  far from you. 

I will email you soon to come and visit and get advice on how to relaunch.

Hey KM, thanks for your comments about Lloyd it takes even bigger nuts to admit when one was wrong, well done.

There have been times that i didnt fully understand where lloyd was going with this industry but allowing myself to trust him has proven advantageous

I am usually a lurker on this forum, but I have had personal dealings with Lloyd Shaw before, not all pleasent. Everything and everybody he warned me about not trusting in the past was spot on.  I still do not agree with some of his methods and they are not how I have been trained to deal with things. But the results have spoken for themselves.

My mates and I lost everything because we thought he was full of shit and trusted the wrong people. The people in the nice suits. What could have been still comes to mind every time I read this site.

 Everytime I talk to people about vibration training, they know who you are. And a lawyer friend of mine thinks you have balls of steel. 

I hope the winning streak continues .  For everybodies sake.