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WayneCampbell |
Posted On:2010-10-06 16:58:24
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Linda – no not bitter and twisted at all.
Just passionate about an industry that can be of enormous benefit to the health and wellbeing of New Zealanders.
Just ask the people that Lloyd Shaw gives his time and services to free of charge. These include the obese, MS sufferers, people in wheelchairs, amateur athletes. All of whom benefit from vibration training.
Also ask the people in the industry that Lloyd Shaw has assisted, even those that would be considered as opposition to Lloyd Shaw’s own company. All for the good of the industry and health and wellbeing of New Zealanders.
Your sort of personal attack is nothing new and shows that you can’t argue with the facts just emotion.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-06 13:55:42
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I stand by our record....
(1) Our first attacks were aimed at companies like Power Plate. Faking and lying about everything they could to get sales. Thanks to our efforts people have openly contacted us and stated they will not buy from them.
(2) Our second attacks were aimed at the arrogant but lazy academics who "forgot" to tests machines before releasing research papers. They have now admitted to that mistake by releasing a research paper giving warning to other researchers.
(3) We are now going to go after the people who should have protected the consumer. But failed to act. I am willing to put significant time and effort, into getting enough ripped off people together, to make a noise about it. And will be doing some advertising to make this happen.
Remember we are talking about a product designed to effect your health in multiple ways. Sold to the elderly, fit and disabled alike. Something the Com Com, Med-Safe etc... should have been all over like white on rice.
I mean these people actually advertise that is their job, then fail to act for 5 years. Talk about hipocracy.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-06 12:32:34
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Another is that PowerPlate were claiming their machines were made in Europe or “anywhere but China” when they were in fact, made in China and now some in India.
You can see evidence of this on the TradeMe New Zealand auction site where a seller is saying he was told his PowerPlate was “made in USA” – they have never been made in USA.
It’s about honesty.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-06 12:23:24
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Ok JBaker, explain this...
One of the complaints was that Gym Form Vibro- Max had fake specs attached to its machine. Claiming 50Hz on their Pivotal machine.
When in fact no pivotal machine has ever been manufactured that can go that high. Galileo ( the top unit its its category stops at 30 hz )
Clear cut case to investigate . Should take you about 5 mins.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-06 12:06:54
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JBaker.... Do you really think I would state for the record, in public, that complaints were laid to the CC about fake health equipment being retailed to the public. And them refusing to act, if I did not have proof.
I went to court with Power Plate and bet them, because I only state what I can prove.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-06 12:01:47
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Actually I put in a complaint using my full name and address etc - and got back an acknowledgement with reference that I would be contacted within 3 months – then nothing – no contact – no action. Not only Lloyd Shaw but others have put in complaints also.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-10-06 11:34:57
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Hi Linda
I don’t know what your experience with Vibration Machines is or what brands you have tried.
I’d love you to come to a Vibra-Train studio for a workout session. Then you’ll see what a high force machine is.
You can then make an informed decision on the honesty of the claims of various machine brands and you’ll totally understand why we are so hard on marketers and suppliers of low quality (yet high results claiming) machines and on the Commerce Commission whose job it is to protect the consumer and to whom many individuals have made complaints.
It’s never about brand promotion but about Quality and Results – both for Training and for Therapy.
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MikeHair |
Posted On:2010-10-04 19:14:06
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To all..
As someone who has been ripped off almost to the point of losing my house, I fully support naming the people who sit back and do nothing when it is there job to protect the consumer.
If the com com had done their job when they were first told about this problem then I would not still be paying for it nearly 5 years later.
It was a very effective way of dealing with criminals and bad people years ago, but i don’t think all the PC poofters out there would allow us to put people in stocks and throw rotten food at them in this day and age Lol.
Why do you think the courts still publish peoples name in the paper? Do you think that reflects badly on the NZ Justice system?
At long last someone has the balls to stand up at all cost to try and protect people like me and you Linda, so at the very least see it for what it is!
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-04 15:12:39
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Linda.... Did you read the Blacklist. It is the 3rd highest read site.
It has been very effective at protecting the consumer globally. And we have even managed to shut some of the con-artist down ( one got arrested ) and we get thanked all the time for the info and warnings given.
Put yourself in a victims position and then see how silence sits with you.
" All it takes for a bad person to succeed, is for a good person to do nothing"
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-04 14:39:08
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Linda...
We are not talking about a small group of effected people here. We are talking about thousands of people who have been duped out of thousands of dollars. And they will not be happy when they realize the Com Com was sitting on this info the whole time.
If my recommendations had been followed. We could have at least warned the consumers. But it is an undisputable fact those individuals choose to not warn anybody and keep my, and other peoples, concerns to themselves. They put their names on the communications, so they get named now.
Why should they get to hide and it should be noted they have no issues with naming people and companies.
I am not interested in excuses. I am interested in accountability of actions or in this case, deliberate inaction. And remember I did try it "their way" and it amounted to zero action. So time to do it another way.
Those who would say nothing are the enemy of the consumer in my opinion, so gain no respect with me. In fact they are up there with the dishonest marketers.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-03 23:25:16
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This is happening everywhere...
http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/commerce-commission-useless-and-lazy
Basically those in charge are too dumb to be usefull to the consumer.
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Deb W |
Posted On:2010-10-03 21:14:10
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Thank you very much. Seemed too good to be true at the price offered to be a training machine. Not sure how they get away with the claims they make though...
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-10-03 20:39:50
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Deb W...
That is a 100% Slow Speed Pivotal unit.
Which in the aim of rehab for your daughter is perfectly ok. If fact maybe a bit safer because it does not have the higher speeds, which may be used incorrectly and negatively effect the knees ( always a concern with home users ) .
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Deb W |
Posted On:2010-10-03 20:28:24
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Hi there
I came across your site while looking for a vibration machine for home use, primarily for my 14 year old daughter to assist in muscle development and recovery after a full knee dislocation some months ago. She is a ballet dancer and needs to rebuild strength in her quad and particularly vmo and recovery has been slow and laborious. For the past 6 weeks I have been using a hyper-vibe machine at a local studio and am impressed by the obvious effect it is having on my muscle strength.
Since I cannot afford a hyper-vibe at home I have been looking at other options and came across a machine from Confidence Fitness, sold here and in the UK. However after reading your very informative site info I am concerned this may simply be one of the 98 of low speed pivotals you talk about in your review page. Im somewhat dubious of the specs they are providing about this machine.
Can you give me any advice and do you know anything of this particular machine personally. Any feedback would be much appreciated. I cant seem to post a link to the site here but it is the Confidence Fitness Vibration Plate Power Plus available from oo.com.au and numerous other sites.
Thanks, Deb
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-29 13:09:34
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Peoples, I also think it would be a good idea to indentify yourself with more than just a first name.
Eg... John P , Mike H
Or it can get a bit confusing.
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-09-29 12:19:42
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Firstly where do you live – the world is a big place – this determines what is available to you.
Read this: Machine Reviews (www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews ) and decide what type of machine you want and how much you are prepared to pay.
Are you able to go to a Vibration Training Studio?
You will find many other articles here (www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program)
Then if you have any further questions please come back and ask.
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karen |
Posted On:2010-09-29 09:58:54
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Hi There,
Could you please advice if it is possible for you...which machine should be good to use for me and my partner 35 and 44 years old, we just want to loose weight as the weight is giving us back pain for him and knees pain for me. We are healthy couple but we are exercises much these days, busy life, we probably need to loose not more than 10kg. Thank you very much for your time, regarsds, karen
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-28 20:39:57
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I would just like to reiterate to all Vibra-Train trainers.......
THERE IS ZERO REASONS FOR SOMEONE TO PULL BACK ON THE HANDLE BARS DURING THE BASIC SQUAT.
If someone does only 3 things should happen...
(1) You ask them to correct the position.
(2) If for some reason they can not or will not. You turn off the machine.
(3) You put them straight into the default Ski-The-Slopes pose or sitting in front of the machine. Which are especially designed for people who have trouble with the basic squat.
What you do not do is validate their excuses by repeating them. Eg..... " But they find it hard" And you do not give them a choice. If they can not do it properly, they do not do it. Simple.
We have easier and safer positions developed for that exact reason, a lot of time, effort, and thought has gone into how things should progress if having a problem. So it is not a matter of pushing someone beyond their means, it is simply using ALL the tools and poses available to you as a trainer.
To not use these fail-safe poses, for whatever reason, goes against everything I teach.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-28 14:28:33
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It really depends on the individual, hormones diet etc..... But doing 10 mins in one session should be fine.
Overtraining and muscle breakdown is really defined by having no rest days with this form of training.
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Demon |
Posted On:2010-09-28 12:45:05
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Hi,
What can I expect if I try to make the training really intense and do for example my favourite "Wide stance squat" position for ten minutes in one training? (with little breaks after each minute of course and with replenishing water and carbs). Is the body capable of refilling muscles with glucose fast enough or will the body more likely start to desintegrate the muscles to cover the immediate need for energy? Is such training reasonable? (from time to time) Thanks.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-27 19:12:35
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Karen...
The Canadian buyers guide and Chiro site are scam sites. Owned by Vibra-Slim, SlimVibes, Europlate etc... ( a blacklisted company ) They use different terms so you can not Google them and see real reviews. Or read real research. Confusion is a dodgy marketers best friend.
Note: The only reason they recommend Power Plate is to directly compare their machines to something sold for $10,000 So even though we do not recommend Power Plate they are 20 times the machine Vibra-Slims are.
HyperVibe are a good brand and is your best bet if affordable and close to you. It will also be useful for your husband.
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-27 14:03:17
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Firstly forget every single thing you have read from a site trying to sell you something. They are all very selective in the info they give you.
If building bone is the only task you require a machine to do. Then it is not going to cost you much. As the machine only has to produce 3gs. Unlike a training unit.
The fact is most machines, bar something as weak as a Soloflex will do the job for you. Is the K1 the only unit you have looked at.
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Karen |
Posted On:2010-09-27 13:14:52
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Lloyd,
I’ve spent the past week researching vibration equipment, and the more I read, the more confused I get. I’m hoping to purchase equipment for home use to slow bone loss (or perhaps even increase bone density) rather than taking osteoporosis medications with scary side effects. Can you please provide suggestions on suitable equipment available to Canadians. One model I’ve considered is the Noblerex K1. I am a 54 year old woman with no history of fractures. I have early-stage arthritis. Thanks
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-27 09:35:10
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Here is a serious question...
Why does Power Plate seem to actually attract dishonest people. I am not joking. All the ex-studio owners in N.Z. were dodgy marketing types . It was liked they were attracted to and couldn't see past the glossy BS facade that Power Plate put up. But even after they found our Power Plate were crooked, they still got in bed with them ???
They now jump onto Trade-Me occasionally and try and sell their machine. Lying about how often they break down, and were they are made.
Eg.... http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=318738296 " Made in the U.S.A. " We had another auction just last week saying " Made in Europe" It would seem that these people were ripped off but have no intention of taking it on the chin, but instead choose to rip off someone else with the same lies.
Birds of a feather..........
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Di Heap |
Posted On:2010-09-23 16:29:38
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I know I’ve said it before but I’m so lucky to work with Lloyd Shaw – to be able to benefit from his thorough knowledge of human anatomy and physiology and to be able to ask questions about various disabilities and ailments people have and how they relate to using the Vibra-Train brand machines.
He never makes it easy for me; I’m expected to learn fast, to be able to assess clients and choose to use the full program, the program with modifications, or a therapy session depending on what problems the client presents with. Then there’s the opposite, how to extend those who are stronger or who have fully mastered the safety workout program.
I encourage everyone who finds this forum to read all the articles that are about what they want to find out. Also to watch the YouTube videos, which include a full course for Instructors that everyone can watch plus advanced and alternative positions. Some of these are only possible when using a Vibra-Train brand machine with side handlebars. You cannot do them on PowerPlate brand machines. There’s even a video called “The Truth about Vibration Training” and one about “Machine Composition” and what’s needed to get results
And if you have a question after all that ASK on here or if you need an urgent answer on a serious medical issue contact Lloyd by email or phone the Auckland Vibra-Train Studio. Vibration training is very effective and safe fitness training for just about everyone as long as the right machine and program is used.
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WayneCampbell |
Posted On:2010-09-23 15:44:01
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Lloyd, good article re “Why do my jeans feel tighter”
It’s a good explanation and puts it into the right perspective in terms easy to understand.
We get that same question regularly from clients at our Vibra-Train studio in Albany.
It is also an endorsement that working out on good quality high energy lineal machines gets results!
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-21 18:12:46
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A recent quote from Sal Marinello........ " we shouldn’t need research to prove to us what we already should know".
This coming from the guy who spent 3 years writing articles trying to disprove Vibration Training, without ever actually trying a machine. Using research as his ONLY tool ????
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-20 21:22:34
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It is a Pivotal unit, so if that's what you want then it should be ok.
But before you purchase one I would advise you e-mail them and ask them what Hz.....note- not speed settings..... it goes up to. If they give you a fake spec ( we can tell you ) then go somewhere else. It is a sign they are dodgy.
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Mike |
Posted On:2010-09-20 20:05:10
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BodyShaker Junior Is really out of my budget.
This more close to what i can afford at the moment but i dont know if its any good.
http://www.vibrationmachine.biz/store/uk/vibration-machine-vitality750-exercise-platform.html
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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train |
Posted On:2010-09-19 09:24:29
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I think some people are born to be ripped off.....
I have been getting e-mails from people this week where they send a request " Can you help me I am confused " ?
So I send them a standard reply, which includes a link to here ... http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews ( and ask them to read some articles ) I tell them to carefully read it, digest and get back to me with what they would like. And I will then help them track something down ( no charge of course )
They then proceed to send me links to very low quality machines asking me if they are training units ????
I really cant help people who will not help themselves because it is too much effort to read . No machine can help that kind of lazy.
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