Thanks Lloyd,

I just want to be clear. So the Wave machines that are on the website are all steel except for the lowest model. I will be sending back my MY5 and getting the Wave Air Reflex. It is all steel construction and according to the site is rated commercial level. Thanks again for your input and advice.

The reason why PowerPlate isn’t taken seriously any more. 

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955wsGjSLoI

This is NOT Vibration Training – in fact the guy is hardly in contact with the machine

First read this......  http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/extra-force-better-training-results

The difference between product force is massive. But even though HG stick closer to that formula, they have a bad rep for durability ( which is the risk an engineer takes for increased power. ) 

The steel Wave models are a good all round bet, and they will support the product.

Thanks Di Heap,

I dont think I have been mislead but according to all the research that I am rreading on this site it would not be the best thing for me to keep the PowerPlate. I do a ton of static excercises as well as Kettle Bell lifts and I feel that it works well. As far as the Wave I like the fact that it has the Air Reflex feature which I believe Power Plate stole. It also has a much larger platform. The more research that I do the more I see that Power Plate may not be what is advertised. I am in Phoenix AZ but the cost of the classes and the time it would take out of my schedule would not be worth it. I would rather just buy one for home use. The wave that I would be buying is the 2nd to the highest machine they have.  Thanks

Mike

Thanks for your questions. I’m sure you’ll get a few replies.

You’ve just purchased a My5 – if you believe you’ve been misled in its performance and the results you were promised then send it back but you also say you do feel benefits so I’m not clear on why you are stressing out.  Take a look at the machine reviews here (which you might have done before you purchased)

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

You say you are already in good shape so you are limited with a home machine like the My5.  You will plateau fairly quickly if you are already trained.  You can go longer – work up to 2 minute positions following  the Safety Program here (http://www.vibra-train.com/exercises-bullet.html), making sure your positions are perfect – get someone to spot you and to read out the clear instructions for getting into and maintaining each position.

See the site above - The big Wave machines rate at the high end of Medium Energy Lineal and a Wave home machine is a bit lower (probably the big machines at the conf.)  But...

Where in the world are you? – Your other options include studio training in some places or paying extra for a High Energy Lineal like BodyShaker or a resale VibroGym Professional  or even the big Wave – if you have a suitable place at home to put one of these heavy machines.

Note: If you are training on a lineal, plastic/fibreglass machine with a low or medium energy motor you will have to train longer and harder, using static regular Vibration Training positions, to get anywhere near the sort of results you can get using a High Energy Lineal Machine. 

Even going longer is not the same due to the intensity of muscle contraction produced by higher energy models.  Brands like PP get people to also do regular dynamic exercises on the machines using the vibration as an “add-on” – that’s why its termed Acceleration Training – it is Not True Vibration Training!  You might get strength and fitness benefits with a dynamic program (along with a somewhat added risk of injury with movement) but then how much more benefit you get for your money spent compared with simply performing those same dynamic exercises without vibration is quite individual.  (Personally I’d prefer to go longer and harder with a static program but that’s just opinion).

Never confuse Acceleration Training with True Vibration Training.

The info on Dr Mercola’s site: Some good discussion but people with a differing opinion got banned or black stamped. That’s because they are promoting the PowerPlate for their own profit not because it is the best machine for any individual to use. I have tried the HyperGravity home machine and it didn’t challenge me at all. Their bigger machines had breakdown issues when used in a studio setting.

After some research the Wave Excercise may be the way to go. Looks like they knocked it out of the park at the recent NFL conf. I have a couple of friends that play and they say that Power Plate may be a thing of the past for them. Lloyd do you give the stamp of approval to Wave for home use

Please someone help me with my decision. I just purchased a Power Plate My5. I really do feel the benefits and the difference. After reading all of these posts I am stressing out. Just to be clear I am in pretty good shape and using for a suppliement to my training. I am looking for something comparable to the my 5. I see that Lloyd is reccomending the WaveExercise and in the past spoke highly of the Hypergravity. I am at a loss with all of the research. It is unfortunate that I also have been keeping up with Dr. Mercola as well. My only deduction is that maybe he does not have all of the facts. So what can I use that would be equal or better than the my5

Another confirmed...

Giovanni Ciriani     Globus     Lineal   Pivotal

This industry brings out the true colours in a person – I’m quite sad to report that Dr Mercola, whose opinion I have respected in many areas of health has totally sold out to PowerPlate.

He’s been selling and actively promoting PowerPlate machines for some time, which is his right to, but this year his articles and videos are downright sales pitch and on the forum/comments section of each article people who state an opinion which is in any way opposing or different to his own get “black marked” and a statement is attached to beware of them.

I questioned the integrity of PowerPlate and rather than reply, I have been completely banned from the Mercola Website. Bad move Dr Mercola.  Now we know all you care about is the mighty Sales $

Just to let people know:

VIBRA-TRAIN are exhibiting at FitX –Sport and Fitness Expo – MELBOURNE, Australia

This weekend, Saturday March 12th and Sunday March 13th, 2011

There are Vibra-Train machines for you to try out and Lloyd Shaw will be there all weekend to answer your questions.

I bet he’ll issue a challenge to see how long you can last in a “Super Squat” on the machines.

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/extra-force-better-training-results

Extra Force = Better Training Results

Reading a forum on another site a supposed “expert” in Vibration Training has listed some machines, both pivotal and lineal, which he says have evidence based, tested results. The problem with this is that the testing of lineal machines is often so limited that it’s not much use –

it allows machines to be evidenced as comparable in output (and presumably in the results the user gets in a workout) when they vary markedly in “force”.

See the article for more information

Enjoyed the recent articles and videos.  Keep up the great work.

John Weatherly

Deanna

In regards to my last answer, I am speaking from experience as I ran a studio that had both pivotal and lineal and found that pivotal was more uncomfortable for lower back injuries than lineal.

Also if you want to build your bone density back up then you need a machine that is going to produce enough pressure for that to happen.

Hope that helps

I live in Arizona and I believe the TZone comes from Canada.  You can check the specs here  http://guardiantrader.com/Whole_Body_Vibration.html

Deanna – a few questions

1.       Where abouts are you? (some companies charge $2000 for machines you can get for $300 elsewhere)

2.       When you look at a specific seller – to buy a machine - Can you please tell us the advertised specs of the machine - before you buy it!  This is so we can advise you if they are being honest and are a reputable dealer, or not.

Deanna

The T-Zone is a Low Speed Pivotal  – see here:  http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

It is a therapy unit and as you’ve already seen some benefits from using it having one at home seems a good idea.

Billie

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Do you have any information or opinion on the VT 15 machine by TZone.  I have used one a few times at my massage therapists  and feel good after the treatment.  My problems are Fibromyalgia, degenerative disease in lower spine and some areas of arthritis.  With the cost of the treatment plus a round trip of about 30 miles each time, it wouldnt take long to pay for having one at home.  Am seriously considering buying one and the TZone sounds good.

Yesterday, I presented a lecture for members of our sport medicine society. That was first such lecture about vibration training and therapy in Croatia. Hopefully it wasn't a last one.
My main argument was that this technology allow us to combine a protection of isometric contraction (static exercise), and muscle activation equivalent to isotonic contraction (dynamic movement) all in one, with vibration stimuli of hi energy vibration machine. This argument presents a strong indication for use of vibration exercises in treatment of degenerative diseases of knee, and hip, ass well as in overuse injuries, such are jumper's knee, chronic groin syndrome, achilodynia, etc.
The reactions of MD's and PT's were really good. As one doctor said "I didn't know it is so simple. Before this, I presumed this is just another anticelulite treatment for which I don't have any use in my daily practice." Other MD added: "There is so much contradictory information available about this technology, which makes understanding and using vibration stimuli in medicine real challenge, because great uncertainty about body reaction to any stimuli makes one reluctant to advise use of such treatment in particular patient. Seeing simple protocols such as this with strict practical rules, makes clinical decision much easier."

Now, we have seen a lot of arguments for and against safety program here, and on another forums, and I think that arguing will go on. But I have to say that in everyday physiotherapy practice safety program presents simple and workable set of rules that is easily explainable to a patient, as well as to a MD. Furthermore, predictability of physiological effects of such program makes it more acceptable for indications in orthopedic medicine.

Also, I proposed a protocol for reducing a risk of injuries in strength training for professional athletes with vibration. More about this in my next posts.