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Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-04 14:39:08
Linda...
 
We are not talking about a small group of effected people here. We are talking about thousands of people who have been duped out of thousands of dollars. And they will not be happy when they realize the Com Com was sitting on this info the whole time.
 
If my recommendations had been followed. We could have at least warned the consumers. But it is an undisputable fact those individuals choose to not warn anybody and keep my, and other peoples, concerns to themselves. They put their names on the communications, so they get named now.
 
Why should they get to hide and it should be noted they have no issues with naming people and companies.  
 
I am not interested in excuses. I am interested in accountability of actions or in this case, deliberate inaction.  And remember I did try it "their way"  and it amounted to zero action.  So time to do it another way.
 
Those who would say nothing are the enemy of the consumer in my opinion, so gain no respect with me. In fact they are up there with the dishonest marketers.    
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-03 23:25:16

This is happening everywhere...

 

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/commerce-commission-useless-and-lazy

 

Basically those in charge are too dumb to be  usefull to the consumer.

 
Deb W Posted On:2010-10-03 21:14:10

Thank you very much.  Seemed too good to be true at the price offered to be a training machine.  Not sure how they get away with the claims they make though...

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-10-03 20:39:50
Deb W...
 
That is a 100% Slow Speed Pivotal unit.
 
Which in the aim of rehab for your daughter is perfectly ok. If fact maybe a bit safer because it does not have the higher speeds, which may be used incorrectly and negatively effect the knees ( always a concern with home users ) .
 
Deb W Posted On:2010-10-03 20:28:24

Hi there

I came across your site while looking for a vibration machine for home use, primarily for my 14 year old daughter to assist in muscle development and recovery after a full knee dislocation some months ago.  She is a ballet dancer and needs to rebuild strength in her quad and particularly vmo and recovery has been slow and laborious.  For the past 6 weeks I have been using a hyper-vibe machine at a local studio and am impressed by the obvious effect it is having on my muscle strength.

Since I cannot afford a hyper-vibe at home I have been looking at other options and came across a machine from Confidence Fitness, sold here and in the UK.  However after reading your very informative site info I am concerned this may simply be one of the 98 of low speed pivotals you talk about in your review page.  Im somewhat dubious of the specs they are providing about this machine.

Can you give me any advice and do you know anything of this particular machine personally.  Any feedback would be much appreciated.  I cant seem to post a link to the site here but it is the Confidence Fitness Vibration Plate Power Plus available from oo.com.au  and numerous other sites.

Thanks, Deb

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-29 13:09:34
Peoples, I also think it would be a good idea to indentify yourself with more than just a first name.
 
Eg... John P  , Mike H 
 
Or it can get a bit confusing.
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-09-29 12:19:42

Firstly where do you live – the world is a big place – this determines what is available to you.

Read this: Machine Reviews (www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews ) and decide what type of machine you want and how much you are prepared to pay. 

Are you able to go to a Vibration Training Studio?

You will find many other articles here (www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program)  

Then if you have any further questions please come back and ask.

 
karen Posted On:2010-09-29 09:58:54

Hi There,

Could you please advice if it is possible for you...which machine should be good to use for me and my partner 35 and 44 years old, we just want to loose weight as the weight is giving us back pain for him and knees pain for me. We are healthy couple but we are exercises much these days, busy life, we probably need to loose not more than 10kg. Thank you very much for your time, regarsds, karen

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-28 20:39:57
I would just like to reiterate to all Vibra-Train trainers.......
 
THERE IS ZERO REASONS FOR SOMEONE TO PULL BACK ON THE HANDLE BARS DURING THE BASIC SQUAT.
 
If someone does only 3 things should happen...
 
(1) You ask them to correct the position.
 
(2)  If for some reason they can not or will not. You turn off the machine.
 
(3) You put them straight into the default Ski-The-Slopes pose or sitting in front of the machine. Which are especially designed for people who have trouble with the basic squat.  
 
What you do not do is validate their excuses by repeating them. Eg.....  " But they find it hard"  And you do not give them a choice.  If they can not do it properly, they do not do it. Simple.
 
 
 We have easier and safer positions developed for that exact reason, a lot of time, effort, and thought has gone into how things should progress if having a problem. So it is not a matter of pushing someone beyond their means, it is simply using ALL the tools and poses available to you as a trainer. 
 
To not use these fail-safe poses, for whatever reason, goes against everything I teach.   
 
 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-28 14:28:33
It really depends on the individual, hormones diet etc..... But doing 10 mins in one session should be fine.
 
Overtraining and muscle breakdown is really defined by having no rest days with this form of training.
 
Demon Posted On:2010-09-28 12:45:05

Hi,

What can I expect if I try to make the training really intense and do for example my favourite "Wide stance squat" position for ten minutes in one training? (with little breaks after each minute of course and with replenishing water and carbs). Is the body capable of refilling muscles with glucose fast enough or will the body more likely start to desintegrate the muscles to cover the immediate need for energy? Is such training reasonable? (from time to time) Thanks.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-27 19:12:35
Karen...
 
The Canadian buyers guide and Chiro site are scam sites. Owned by Vibra-Slim, SlimVibes, Europlate etc...  ( a blacklisted company )  They use different terms so you can not Google them and see real reviews. Or read real research. Confusion is a dodgy marketers best friend.
 
Note: The only reason they recommend Power Plate is to directly compare their machines to something sold for $10,000  So even though we do not recommend Power Plate they are 20 times the machine Vibra-Slims are.
 
HyperVibe are a good brand and is your best bet if affordable and close to you. It will also be useful for your husband. 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-27 14:03:17
Firstly forget every single thing you have read from a site trying to sell you something. They are all very selective in the info they give you.
 
Please read this and digest.....  http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews 
 
If building bone is the only task you require a machine to do. Then it is not going to cost you much. As the machine only has to produce 3gs. Unlike a training unit.
 
But take note, it is a long term application, so not a quick fix. Read here.... http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/vibration-training-and-bone-density
 
The fact is most machines, bar something as weak as a Soloflex will do the job for you.  Is the K1 the only unit you have looked at.
 
  
 
Karen Posted On:2010-09-27 13:14:52

Lloyd,

I’ve spent the past week researching vibration equipment, and the more I read, the more confused I get.  I’m hoping to purchase equipment for home use to slow bone loss (or perhaps even increase bone density) rather than taking osteoporosis medications with scary side effects.  Can you please provide suggestions on suitable equipment available to Canadians.  One model I’ve considered is the Noblerex K1.  I am a 54 year old woman with no history of fractures.  I have early-stage arthritis.  Thanks

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-27 09:35:10
Here is a serious question...
 
Why does Power Plate seem to actually attract dishonest people. I am not joking. All the ex-studio owners in N.Z. were dodgy marketing types . It was liked they were attracted to and couldn't see past the glossy BS facade that Power Plate put up. But even after they found our Power Plate were crooked, they still got in bed with them ???
 
They now jump onto Trade-Me occasionally and try and sell their machine.  Lying about how often they break down, and were they are made.
 
Eg.... http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=318738296    " Made in the U.S.A. "   We had another auction  just last week saying " Made in Europe"   It would seem that these people were ripped off but have no intention of taking it on the chin, but instead choose to rip off someone else with the same lies.         
 
 
Birds of a feather..........    
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-09-23 16:29:38

I know I’ve said it before but I’m so lucky to work with Lloyd Shaw – to be able to benefit from his thorough knowledge of human anatomy and physiology and to be able to ask questions about various disabilities and ailments people have and how they relate to using the Vibra-Train brand machines.

 He never makes it easy for me; I’m expected to learn fast, to be able to assess clients and choose to use the full program, the program with modifications, or a therapy session depending on what problems the client presents with.  Then there’s the opposite, how to extend those who are stronger or who have fully mastered the safety workout program.

I encourage everyone who finds this forum to read all the articles that are about what they want to find out.  Also to watch the YouTube videos, which include a full course for Instructors that everyone can watch plus advanced and alternative positions.  Some of these are only possible when using a Vibra-Train brand machine with side handlebars.  You cannot do them on PowerPlate brand machines. There’s even a video called “The Truth about Vibration Training” and one about “Machine Composition” and what’s needed to get results

And if you have a question after all that ASK on here or if you need an urgent answer on a serious medical issue contact Lloyd by email or phone the Auckland Vibra-Train Studio.  Vibration training is very effective and safe fitness training for just about everyone as long as the right machine and program is used.

 
WayneCampbell Posted On:2010-09-23 15:44:01

Lloyd, good article re “Why do my jeans feel tighter”

 

It’s a good explanation and puts it into the right perspective in terms easy to understand.

 

We get that same question regularly from clients at our Vibra-Train studio in Albany.

 

It is also an endorsement that working out on good quality high energy lineal machines gets results!

 

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-21 18:12:46
A recent quote from Sal Marinello........  "  we shouldn’t need research to prove to us what we already should know".
 
This coming from the guy who spent 3 years writing articles trying to disprove Vibration Training, without ever actually trying a machine. Using research as his ONLY tool ????     
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-20 21:22:34
It is a Pivotal unit, so if that's what you want then it should be ok.
 
But before you purchase one I would advise you e-mail them and ask them what Hz.....note-  not speed settings.....   it goes up to. If they give you a fake spec ( we can tell you ) then go somewhere else. It is a sign they are dodgy.
 
Mike Posted On:2010-09-20 20:05:10

BodyShaker Junior Is really out of my budget.

This more close to what i can afford at the moment but i dont know if its any good.

http://www.vibrationmachine.biz/store/uk/vibration-machine-vitality750-exercise-platform.html

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-19 09:24:29
 I think some people are born to be ripped off.....
 
I have been getting e-mails from people this week where they send a request " Can you help me I am confused " ?
 
So I send them a standard reply, which includes a link to here ... http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews  ( and ask them to read some articles )  I tell them to carefully read it, digest and get back to me with what they would like. And I will then help them track something down ( no charge of course )
 
They then proceed to send me links to very low quality machines asking me if they are training units ????
 
I really cant help people who will not help themselves because it is too much effort to read . No machine can help that kind of lazy.   
 
John Posted On:2010-09-19 01:59:52

I just want to make it clear about the recommendations given by the panel of experts on whole body vibration studies in the recent Journal of Musculoskeletal and Neuronal Interactions are what Lloyd Shaw has been saying ever since I started corresponding with him several years ago.  For example, equipment needs to be tested prior to research studies to make sure it performs as the manufacturer claims.  The entire body of research literature is contaminated because researchers have not done this.  They have missed the elephant in the room as Lloyd has said.

And yes Wayne Campbell, there are ol boy networks and just plain evil people.  Organizations like the NSCA have covered stuff up in the past which I could go into great detail about.  It has to do with the Founding Father of the NSCA not following guidelines he helped the NSCA make up himself.  When this was reported, it was all covered up.  And the cover up involved university professors who knew about it, the NSCA Executive Director, scientists who are NSCA Fellows and associate editors of NSCA journals, etc.  Nothing was done.  It was all covered up because if the truth came out it would make the Founding Father of the NSCA and all these scientists and others hooked up with the NSCA look bad.  It would damage the credibility of all of them.  So, it was swept under the rug. 

John Weatherly

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-16 23:38:57
Contact Body Shaker in Holland  or True-Vibe in the U.K. ( kevin@truevibrations.co.uk  )   Anything weaker and you will just get a good foot massage .
 
Note,  All the machines from the site you showed us are weak cheap chinese units purchased for 30 Euros and sold to you with a massive mark up. 
 
Mike Posted On:2010-09-16 21:07:48

Here you can see what brands are avaliable in the Greek Market

http://www.skroutz.gr/c/810/pathhtikh-gymnastikh.html?price_min=500&price_max=1300


I dont have a problem to order online from another country though .

Any recomendations

 
Mike Posted On:2010-09-16 20:09:28

I live in Greece. Suffice it to say that its really difficult to try any platforms here.I have only see only  Power plate machine in some gyms.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-14 18:38:23
Di Heaps advice is spot on. Trying to compare a machine ( and results given ) that sells for a few thousand, to something that cost over 12K just to build is not fair.
 
You get what you can afford, but fully understanding that will also limit your results long term. 
 
Di Heap Posted On:2010-09-14 16:48:27

The PulseTrainer  -  depends on what you want it for.  Just standing upright on it, on the Tilt/see-saw setting, it’s safe and effective increasing circulation and gently activating, releasing tension in legs, hips, back. Helps relieve backache. Helps tighten up pelvic region – good for women.

On the Flat setting you must bend your knees so you are in a semi squat position plus there are other poses but it’s terribly limited being so low to the ground and has a rough feel in my opinion.  It could be used pre and after going for a run – warm up/cool down.

You’re not going to see much in the way of muscle build or fat-loss. It’s just not strong enough force for that and if you used Vibra-Train you’ll have already noticed this.  Personally I like the Pulse Trainer and use one but only for gentle stimulation and pelvic tightening =Therapy , Vibra-Train for Training.

No there’s no Vibra-Train studio out west. It’s just a matter of time though – for someone to want to use a machine enough to set up a studio.

Check out the machine types here http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/machine-reviews

 
Kirsty Posted On:2010-09-14 14:48:28

Does anyone have any information regarding the Motioncraft VM2 Pulse Trainer


From what I see it looks to be a suitable Vibration Training machine for home use, rather than a straight Vibration Therapy machine, but Im no physicist - quite the opposite actually.  I have hired one for a month to get a feel for it and how it works before making a final decision on whether to purchase it, but Im still wondering what the advice is from here.  I have used the VibraTrain machines at the studio in Tauranga but it was a few years ago and only for a short number of sessions.  The problem for me is that here in West Auckland there dont seem to be any suitable studios and the city is a long way to go.


Also I understand that the machine will be good for building muscle etc but not losing weight, or am I just getting confused by the information out there... it seems you can find information that supports pretty much anyones claims but I do believe that Lloyd offers good, unbiased advice.


Thanks in advance for your help.

 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-13 22:17:18
Classic example of Power Plates dishonestly here.....  http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=317183968
 
Some couple paid $6000 for a machine they were told was Made in Europe. Power Plate taking all stickers and identifying marks off the product. It was actually made in China. This was a global tactic used by Power Plates dishonest management to fool the consumer into paying thousands for a product only worth hundreds. 
 
Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train Posted On:2010-09-09 21:23:38

Or get her to ring Fair Go...  consumer  watchdog program.

Let them call and record the conversation.

 
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