Lloyd,

Thanks for the tip on reducing the walking...I do have the mat that came with the unit under the machine.  I will try placing the extra foam under each leg.

Mike M

I stand corrected, hubby said the unit with the crate it was delivered on weighed 330 lbs.  The unit itself weighs 250.  But of course I can not lift the 250 either.  It sounds like your unit display is quite different from mine.  The AirReflex has 3 categories to choose from  mobilization, exercise, and Massage.  Mobilization only goes to 30hz, exercise to 45hz and massage to 50hz.   I have only used the exercise category.  Once I choose the exercise category, I can then set up hz ...up to a max of 45...and set the amplitude at either low  2mm or high...4mm.  I can also set the time in 15 second increments....I can also set the delay from 5 seconds to 30 seconds.  I never use the low setting...much to easy.  I started at 38 hz per Lloyds recommendation...and am moving up slowing using the high setting.  It is definitely not easy to hold a 2 minute pose for me.  I can only do one minute on the superman squat...but I am determined to work up to the 2 minutes on that pose.  Seems wierd, but I can set the time up really far  over 13 minutes...I quit hitting the up button...so I assume it must go up to 15 minutes....that must be for massage or mobilization.  As I mentioned before,the Air Reflex has the lower start, stop button, which also gives you the countdown.  My unit is downstairs which has commercial grade no pile carpet over concrete floor.  I dont know if your carpet would affect the strength of the machine.  I would suggest that you place the thin black pad under the unit....we do use ours.  It is a really rigid mat, and I think that might help when you are on a thick carpet.  I used my machine tonight and now it is touching the tread mill....perhaps it will push it out of the way and I wont have to do cardio any longer.,..LOL...I would suggest you call Wave and see if they can give you the hz at each of the levels of 1 thru 10.  I would assume that your high and low hz for each of your categories would correspond to mine...so your exercise may only go to 45.  You might have to use the massage to get to 50hz..  I really am not sure why we even need all the categories....seems easier to just set your hz and then your amplitude...and go.  Perhaps the categories were designed in for chiropractor offices.

You might be in better shape than you thought from using the Crazy Fit machine.  Try putting the mat under your unit...not an easy thing to do....lifting that bugger again...but you might find it works better.  Almost forgot...our blue pad was not dented at all....I can not remember how it was packed.  If I were you and I would call Rochelle and ask her to ship you a new one with a lable to send the other one back.  Did you get the booklet with all the poses in it....if so I would like to find out if you end up doiing any of their poses...or if you stay with Lloyds safety program.

Patty

I just received my Wave, and I had a heck of a time getting it set up (I was alone at the time). It's been a long time since I deadlifted that much weight because of my knee so it was a struggle to lift in over the threshold. I cut off a piece of the cardboard to make a slide to go under it so I could slide it across my hardwood floor in my dining room to my living room where it now sits, so I can watch football while I use it. It's on carpet now.

Which leads to my first question. Using it so far just seems ridiculously easy to me so far, at least for legs. Would it be harder if it were on a hard surface instead of carpet? I know they sent a thin rubber mat to go under it, but I left that out since I am on carpet which is over concrete. But the first thing I did was set it to high, level 10, and did 2 minutes on a squat. Thought I'd have to build up to that. I hope it gets harder over time like Lloyd says. I know I have been using a Crazy Fit, but I thought that thing was kind of a joke. Maybe not...

Wave has a really simplified menu system and there's no documentation that tells what it equates to. Like there's low and high, which I ASSUME means 2mm and 4mm, and there's stretch, exercise, and massage settings, of which only exercise has the high setting available. It is supposed to be settable from 30 to 50 Hz, but I only see levels 1-10 available so I am ASSUMING that the target 43 Hz would fall somewhere around the 6-8 range. Make sense? Or am I ASSUMING too much? I thought there was a redesign done with the new displays but it looks like same old stuff to me. I wish it were better documented, it seems to be set up to deal with people who know nothing and don't want to learn.

They should have come up with a better way to do the shock absorption in shipping, because they put the blue pad that you need to use with the unit in between the base and the handle as a packing cushion. What that did is leave two dents permanently in the blue pad. It's not ruined exactly, but I don't like it in my living room as I will likely be answering question about those dents as long as I own it.

I didn't think the Air Reflex weighed 330; if so, well just wow. Good thing I didn't buy that one, I barely got this one inside. I haven't seen mine go walkabout yet, but I did just get it today. More when I know more. Since it's on carpet, I can slide it around a bit if I want, so I don't think I'll have a problem there.

Mike M

Sorry...havent been on in a few days.  You may have your machine by now.  Mine does not have wheels and it came on a large pallet that would not have fit through a regular door way.  Fortunately we have double sliding doors in the lower level where we brought it in.  The delivery man, my husband and myself all had to work together to maneuver it in over the threshold.  Pallet jack was the saving grace.

It is a bugger to  move around.  Interestingly enough....now that we have it set where we want it, it moves itself over after several uses... bit by bit , hubby moved it back once already...and now it has moved again and  is almost bumping my tread mill.  I cant lift it to move it back...and I hate to have hubby do it again ...with all his back problems.  He says no problem because he has very strong upper body strength, but it worries me.  He has to get on his knees on the floor to lift and move it back.   Once you get yours set up let me know if you have the same issue.  I think my model weighs 330 lbs.  Wheels would have been nice, but perhaps not practical.

I read a news article with a link to a another video by Dr Mercola telling how he’s rejected regular medicines in favour of healthy eating, workouts, and lots of supplements – vitamins and just about every minute trace of every mineral known to mankind. While I support doing things as naturally as possible its really “odd” how Dr Mercola discovers all these trace supplements that we absolutely MUST take and ONLY his store can supply the purest, best quality brand of them – Sounds like extreme marketing to me.  

Of course, that’s just my opinion but then this “doctor” supports (and, of course, sells) Powerplate vibration machines; makes me almost feel sorry for Powerplate (notice I said almost!) – There’s no way I’d buy any vibration machine from someone who markets his products in the way he does.

Hello, I am wondering if the Motioncraft vm2 machine is good for toning and losing bodyfat.

Thanks Patty

I got the email from Rochelle and it appears the anticipated delivery date is to be 9-7-11 which is, like you say, about 4 days, minus the (Labor Day) holiday. She warns me that if I don't have double doors or a garage it might be hard to get the box indoors. I have a garage but I think it might be easier to work with the front door as I think it is a bit wider. We will see. Are there any wheels on the base?

Glad to hear yours is working well for you. I have recently found another experimental posture to try, basically the reverse of the one I found earlier where I pressed the hamstrings into the platform and used ankle weights; this one, I press the front of the thighs into the platform and slightly flex the hamstrings making the vibration work them out (slight whipping motion). So that gives me three main methods to work on the legs round and about the knee joint. Since I started doing them (on a Crazy Fit) they have gotten lots easier, so I am looking forward to trying them out on a Wave.

Mike M

I have been off again on a short trip, had out of town guests, and had to move my daughter back to college.  Hopefully thiings will settle a bit for a while.  The Wave has been great...my daughter enjoyed using it while she was home.  I injured my back during the move back to college...so I didnt get on it for about a week, then began using it for massage of my back.  It seemed to help.  I am back on track to every other day of usage...but after the time off for back injury, I lost some of my progress.  I am trying to work back up to holding the poses for 2 minutes.  My husband finally got on it this past week..using it on low for massage...he seemed to like the feel of it.  I am hoping this weekend we can map out a program for him to follow more strictly.  I do worry a bit about him getting on it when I am not at home.   I really find the Wave to be a great machine...very sturdy...and built with good options  such as time delay and lower start..stop button.  I think you will like yours too as it has similar specs.  Re the tracking...I got a message from Rochelle that it had shipped and then it arrived in about 4 days...very quick.  It did ship to a dock here in Nashville..that company called me and we set up the delivery time.  Do not forget to figure out if you need them to bring a pallet jack...the machines are heavy.  I look forward to hearing your comments on the model you purchased.

Hey Patty,

I am wondering how your Wave has been working out for you lately (haven't seen you on here in a week or so). Rochelle at Wave told me I should be getting my tracking number soon, maybe today, so I am starting to get a little excited. How long after getting a tracking number did your Wave arrive? Any other news about it? Did your husband ever get on it yet?

NPS

Yes Lloyd is right, I ran a studio on a second floor for over 3 years and got nothing but complaints from the downstairs tenent.

I started with pivotal and it was fine until i changed to lineal then the complaints started.

Hi Lloyd,

I talked to both the sales rep of NitroFit and Wave, both very helpful. NitroFit offerred me a $500 discount to cover the shipping and taxes to Canada from US.

For NitroFit Deluxe, would you catagorize it as Premium Speed Pivotal or Low Speed Pivotal? And for Wave Contour Plus, does it belong to High Energy Lineal or Medium Energy Lineal?

I live on the 2^nd floor of a condo building so I prefer something that’s more suitable for apartment – quiet. Would you suggest NitroFit Deluxe or Wave Contour Plus in this case?

I haven’t had the chance to try a lineal machine but from the internet videos (Wave), the lineal machines seem didn’t “shake” (almost couldn’t see that it was actually vibrating) as much as the pivotal ones (I tried T-ZONE and I could see my whole body shaking). Is that true?

Sorry for bothering with you my questions but I wish to get answers from source that I trust! J

Hi my name is Rod Brooks and I own and operate Vibrabody personal training studios in Melbourne Australia  www.vibrabody.com.au.  We specialise in WBV training using VibroGym platforms.  Thanks for the invitation from Lloyd and Di.  I look forward to sharing information and ideas.

Remember there are two main types of vibration platforms – LINEAL (move under you feet with an even vibration all over the plate). This platform gives best and safest results at 30-50hz (45hz usually has the most comfortable yet effective feel)

And PIVOTAL (move under your feet like a see-saw or balance board ).  This platform can be used on various frequencies depending on the position of the user on the machine and their ability. Anything above 22hz usually means the feet slip on the platform. Also the motion becomes very similar to lineal which is okay or not depending on whats wanted.

Well, looks like I might be finding out soon. I spoke to the sales lady, mine may get shipped here next week. So I will be finding out if the Contour Plus is up to its specs. Anyone else one here waiting on a Contour Plus, it looks like they are finally getting in those displays and shipping product soon.

Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for your advice. Seem that you highly recommended Wave. I talked to Wave and the rep tol me that the Contour has a straight frequency of 45Hz while the Plus has a range of 30-50Hz. I saw one of your post said “anything over 22hz is hard to hold pose properly on”. Do you think the specs for the Waves are real?

Well ok. Looks a lot like one of the ones over here going as a Sunny Crazy Fit.

see:

http://www.opentip.com/Sporting-Goods/Sunny-Health-Fitness-Mini-Crazy-Fit-p-1869404.html

I meant no criticism. I am just interested in getting different people's opinions on the terminology and what it should be; as you point out, there doesn't seem to be much (if any) standardization or consistency in that, in this industry, and it would be interesting to see what he says is a high or medium energy machine, what are the criteria for the definition, just as it would be interesting to see what you say. And to see where your opinions differ, and why. You might well both have valid opinions, I can't know until I ask.

One thing that appears to be agreed on by both of you is that some machines (like Power Plate) would, if they delivered what they promise BOTH loaded and unloaded, might be high or at least strong medium energy, but since they don't (when loaded), they might be low medium at best. At a high energy price. This is something I bet both of you agree that consumers should know about. Because the resulting disappointment would tend to hurt the industry overall.

Lloyd

Thanks for the info.

The IVTRB Vibration Training Safety Program  - makes it very easy for Instructors to train Clients.

I saw this even more so yesterday when I needed to take a phone call. Another Instructor simply stepped in and took over training the two new (first time) customers, half way through the program.

Check it out here:  http://www.vibratrainlease.com/workouts.html 

There’s both the poster showing the positions and step-by-step instructions